They were already there way before 1500s, their clan records don't claim that, studies on eyle settlements like buur heybe show their ancient presence, migration of 1500s would be the Digil migrations towards dooy and dhoobey
What is going on, who are these ppl, and where they are talking from?
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Of course they would claim they are native. I have seen a Shiidle 23andme test and they had majority Congo DNA. There is no way on Earth they migrated from Harar as no one within a 2000km radius of Harar looks like they do.
What's his paternal haplogroup? What's his subclan and sub sub clan? Even if they're shiidle doesn't necessarily mean that they represent the clan, big clans like shiidle need large sample sizes not just one person , who might not even be shiidle by lineage.
Also saying mentioning his dad side isn't enough whilst mentioning that he had majority Congo, mention his tribal mixture
1. Shiidle had a lot of slaves. In fact they were some of the biggest slave owners in Somalia. That persons dna could be from the adopted former slaves. The true shiidle are actually a minority.
2. no one is saying harar. They are from the area closer to South Sudan.
Hard to say they're actually minority, no evidence for it tbh
It was on a thread and was a TikTok video. I’m afraid you’ll need to find that.
Now you are just outright capping. What are you two’s agenda, and which one of you argues the same on Reddit?
No point mentioning it then if you can't even back it up plus it has no relevance if there's no other information mentioned, how'd you even verify that he's shiidle?
Shiidle were massive slave-owners and this is a well known fact.
And what is your source on this? Themselves? Shiidle were the slaves, they were not slave owners.
Shiidle were slaves for who? That's like saying hawiye were slaves
For everyone. One notable one is Abgaal, they still live near our farms where they used to work on to this day. Not saying it’s something to be proud of. Hawiye we’re not slaves and it is obvious you have a Shiidle agenda here. Now tell me, who did Shiidle supposedly enslave while they were slaves themselves?
Shiidle would be a member of a Somali clan if they were former slaves. There’s no such thing as a clan of stand-alone freemen in Somali culture, are you an ajanebi?
And who were abgaal slaves for? Sxb I think you are just ignorant.
I see how that can be misread. I meant Shiidle used to work for Abgaal and Shiidle still live near us. There are many famous Shiidle figures who are proof of this, that colonial guy (forgot his name) who’s family were all slaves etc. is one that I can think of easily. Are you denying that Shiidle, Makane, Mushunguli, Zigua etc weren’t all slaves? What is your clan?
The famous colonial guy was Nassib Bundo and he was a mushungli, not a shiidle. Shiidle and makaane were never slaves sxb, while mushungli and zigua (same people were).
That is another guy I remember clearly, I am thinking of another one. I will get back to you when I remember it. However, Shiidle and Makane are offsprings of former slaves and that is a fact even they know. Next you will say Reer Shabelle weren’t slaves.
That is the only guy. As for slavery It depends on the clan for reer shabelle, they’re a confederation, not a real clan
Bantu Expansion brother... that's what they want you to think. The replacement takes centuries but it always succeeds in the end unfortunately. How else do you think they managed to become the majority in most of Africa? They outbred the natives and assimilated the natives into their own culture. Thats how they win. Peacefully, albeit slowly, all in the background, right underneath your nose. They win without even firing a shot. Why go to war when you can simply outbreed the locals and dominate them with sheer numbers instead?
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