AS have been planted by the west just like AQ in the middle east in the late 90's to early 2000's. This isn't about religion it's about destabilising Somali people as a whole. Their needs to be a team effort by the citizens of the country as a whole to get rid of these guys and an incompetent government just isn't cutting it brotha
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mohammdov
Hansare Iyo baarsare
Do this and they will control the country within a month Everyone will consider them mujahideen against kufaar
The Somali people are very easy to destabilize because they are mainly illiterate mfers relying on archaic clan systems and religion to survive. Al Shabab exploits the latter.
The people need to reject the idea of an Islamic state. Not the government. If you think about it NOTHING good comes from the establishment of an Islamic state. They will chop off peoples hands as if they invented punishment for crimes. That’s it. It’s destitution and misery throughout.Do this and they will control the country within a month
It's a colonial project.
mohammdov
Hansare Iyo baarsare
What do you want us to become like Thailand W
and give freedom to everything
A person should not have complete freedom there must be limits
Not complete freedom. Obvious limits should exist. They exist in all civilized societies.
It is. Human beings incapable of civilized existence
Islam comes with great responsibilities where the prosperity of muslims hinges on obeying God commands, this principle doesn't apply to non muslims. Muslim nation may have great army, great technology, great economy but if they abandoned Allah commands then they are always bound to fail. You can see it in today muslims, they are many, rich yet lacking global significance.
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This probably feels good to say but it is not grounded in any fact. I always hear Muslims in western countries say things like “Allah gave them this world” when discussing how easy life is in those countries. That’s a convenient explanation.
The real key to development is not putting an Islamic blanket over your head. The Catholic Church was holding these countries back many centuries ago and they all declared in their constitutions that the church should have zero influence. It wasn’t popular but necessary.
The same process must happen.
Muslim leaving their home country to go look for a life in the west is a big example why Muslim are in their dark ages and humiliation era
European success cannot be attributed to separation of church from poliitcs but it stems from their exploitation of resources in the New World under the guise of propagating Christianity.
Actually Muslim's today are in disarray not because of religion rather it is a consequence their division and deviation from the laws of Allah.
A good illustration can be found in Somalia: despite sharing common lineage, language, and religion, it remains a failed state, not due to religion but because of hatred and killing of each other
This is what Allah say in the quran anfal 46
Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not dispute with one another, or you would be discouraged and weakened. Persevere! Surely Allah is with those who persevere
attash
Amaan Duule
Your understanding of history is flawed. By the time Western powers began adopting the separation of church and state, they were already dominant around the world.
The United States was one of the first western powers to create a government based on secular enlightenment ideals. However the United States was created in 1783. By this time the Spanish, Portuguese, British, Dutch, and French empires already had colonies around the world. The wars they waged (such as the Seven Years War) had fronts ranging from India to Canada.
The Great Divergence is considered to be the point when Western civilization began surpassing other world civilizations. It began around the 15th and 16th centuries (during which time the Catholic Church was still supremely influential). The causes of this divergence were the Age of Exploration and the invention of capitalism and industrialism as a result of the resource influx from new colonies.
Great Divergence - Wikipedia
No, defeating AS isn't that difficult. All you need is a competent government. If the Somali government was at least as competent as your average African government, AS would be defeated by the end of Ramadan. This episode highlighted the SNA's incompetence as they didn't even take the most basic defense measures in their bases.
Of course you, me, and everyone else on this forum already knows this. You simply saw this as another opportunity to engage in your anti-Islam trolling.
You don’t think depriving the enemy of their main strength is a good battle plan?Your understanding of history is flawed. By the time Western powers began adopting the separation of church and state, they were already dominant around the world.
The United States was one of the first western powers to create a government based on secular enlightenment ideals. However the United States was created in 1783. By this time the Spanish, Portuguese, British, Dutch, and French empires already had colonies around the world. The wars they waged (such as the Seven Years War) had fronts ranging from India to Canada.
The Great Divergence is considered to be the point when Western civilization began surpassing other world civilizations. It began around the 15th and 16th centuries (during which time the Catholic Church was still supremely influential). The causes of this divergence were the Age of Exploration and the invention of capitalism and industrialism as a result of the resource influx from new colonies.
Great Divergence - Wikipedia
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No, defeating AS isn't that difficult. All you need is a competent government. If the Somali government was at least as competent as your average African government, AS would be defeated by the end of Ramadan. This episode highlighted the SNA's incompetence as they didn't even take the most basic defense measures in their bases.
Of course you, me, and everyone else on this forum already knows this. You simply saw this as another opportunity to engage in your anti-Islam trolling.
attash
Amaan Duule
Al Shabab's main strength is the government's incompetence. So yes, if we took this away from them, they would be defeated within weeks.
If you are talking about turning Somalia secular, then that is the worst battle plan I have ever heard of. It will ensure an immediate AS takeover of everywhere from Ras Kamboni to Saylac.
Society moving away from the ultra religiosity is beneficial for us in the long term. No benefits come from a very religious society. Any development that occurs happens in spite of religion.
attash
Amaan Duule
Like how we moved away from religiosity during kacaan rule? And how did that end up?
Another ignorant take
. If you want to make such a big (and wildly inaccurate) claim, bring forth valid historical analysis to back it up. I have already schooled you on the history of early modern Western development.
You didn’t school me on anything. The scientific discovery era is where the west separated itself from other societies. The Church still wanted to stone Galileo when he suggested the earth rotated around the sun. All of these scientific discoveries happened in spite of the religious.Like how we moved away from religiosity during kacaan rule? And how did that end up?
Another ignorant take
The same is true of Islamic societies.
attash
Amaan Duule
I did school you and unfortunately my lesson did not get through your head. The main driving force that triggered the western divergence was colonialism, which caused an influx of resources that greatly enriched the Europeans and allowed for the development of industrialization and capitalism. These institutions further enriched the Europeans and gave them the wealth and technology to conquer the world. Ironically, the Age of Exploration had a religious impetus: it was partly driven by the desire to spread Christianity.
As for the scientific revolution, it was triggered in part by the renaissance and the development of the printing press, which allowed the rapid spread of ideas. Another ironic thing is the fact that the invention of the printing press also had a religious motivation: Johannes Gutenberg wanted to invent a machine that could print the Bible and make it more widely available.
Early Islamic scholars were free to engage in scientific inquiry, which is the whole reason why the Islamic Golden Age occurred.
You brought up one example of Galileo, but if you want to make your point valid, you will need to conduct an entire historical study demonstrating that every major scientific or technological development happened in spite of religion. This will be impossible to do considering the fact that if you look into the biographies of most major scientists and engineers before the modern era, you will find that most of them were monks, imams, or priests.
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