"Hawiye" iyo "Darood" would you be tribalistic if we moved to a non clan based system?

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

If the president was elected by the people in a one man one vote system and the people chose a minority clan as the president. Let's say he built the army and the institutions and turned Somalia into a Rwanda within his 4 year term. He then get's reelected and reforms the countries economy and in the course of 8 years he turns our nation into the Malaysia of Africa. Now there are two main candidates, one is from your clan and the other is from the opposite clan and a subclan that yours historically didn't like. What choice would you make? My guess is if Somalia sees major development, tribalism will become heavily weak. I think the biggest tribalist on this site might become more open minded.






(BTW)I put Hawiye iyo Darood in quotations because people rarely identify with their larger clan and much so with their sub clan or tribe.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Read it and give me your thoughts. This hypothetical scenario should be considered to make your answer.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

If the president was elected by the people in a one man one vote system and the people chose a minority clan as the president. Let's say he built the army and the institutions and turned Somalia into a Rwanda within his 4 year term. He then get's reelected and reforms the countries economy and in the course of 8 years he turns our nation into the Malaysia of Africa. Now there are two main candidates, one is from your clan and the other is from the opposite clan and a subclan that yours historically didn't like. What choice would you make? My guess is if Somalia sees major development, tribalism will become heavily weak. I think the biggest tribalist on this site might become more open minded.






(BTW)I put Hawiye iyo Darood in quotations because people rarely identify with their larger clan and much so with their sub clan or tribe.

Saxib both darood and hawiye are racist and the worst is the one who pretends he is not qabolist but works behind the scenes.

 

[Bariire]

Since Somalia is based on 6 Clan States Federalism, than the obvious choice is to pass Presidential Rotation to these 6 Clans who own states, and by no means should we ever allow an Stateless Langaab clan become Somalia's Leaders ever again.

 

[Periplus]

If Somalia gets a minority clan president, that is the day we actually get our shit together.

They’re unbiased and not gonna take part in petty qabiil feuds. Plus if they became president then that means Somalis have matured enough to accept a qabiil-less future.

 

[convincation]

In an ideal Somalia, the general population should not under any circumstances know the clan of the president regulated by the media. but ofcourse this would never happen

 

[InaShaqalle]

@Periplus when we regain an effective central government for the first time in well over 30 years, we should keep a parliamentary system of government whereby the leader of every national political party* is always led by a 0.5 citizen

*only political parties with a nationwide character/presence should be allowed to exist in Somalia

 

[Macawisley]

Somalia is always going to be Federal where 5-6 clans/men control all the power and have the most leverage in selecting MPs. This is basically Factions that overthrew Siad Barre reaping the rewards in states and power.

SNM = SL
SSDF = PL
USC = GM
USC = HS
RRA = SW
SPM = JL

1p1v is no where near and Long way to go.

 

[Periplus]

@Periplus when we regain an effective central government for the first time in well over 30 years, we should keep a parliamentary system of government whereby the leader of every national political party* is always led by a 0.5 citizen

*only political parties with a nationwide character/presence should be allowed to exist in Somalia

I would trust a 0.5 with leading Somalia out of this current situation.

They don’t have as much burdens as us, you know. No one can accuse them of being qabiilist or preferring a maamul. They will also be able to deal with the tribes that back AS as they’re also underrepresented groups.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Saxib both darood and hawiye are racist and the worst is the one who pretends he is not qabolist but works behind the scenes.

So do we continue the qabyaalad? It's like saying cadaans are all racists and the worst is the one who hides their racism. Open racism and discrimination is the worst. Weather you like it or not, feelings don't matter. Nobody cares if a person is racist but once they use it to say haram tribalistic shit to others, then it gets out of hand.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

President and pm should always go to ppl with track records of not fking the country up .
Pres and pm should be rotated between mudulood,dir , raxanweyne and 0.5 .
Hawiye and darood have destroyed Somalia countless times.

 

[cow]

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Somalia is always going to be Federal where 5-6 clans/men control all the power and have the most leverage in selecting MPs. This is basically Factions that overthrew Siad Barre reaping the rewards in states and power.

SNM = SL
SSDF = PL
USC = GM
USC = HS
RRA = SW
SPM = JL

1p1v is no where near and Long way to go.

how long did SPM last in jubbaland? it was couple of months. plus it was SPM + USC + RRA

from 1992 to 1998 it was SNF then in 1998 puntland was established and abdullahi yusuf brainwashed general morgan to fight marehan.

marehan left kismaayo regrouped and took it within couple of months then from 1998 to 2006 it was bare hiiraale

then from 2007 to 2008 it was marehan group that ruled then 2008 al shabaab took over and in 2011 kenya took over.

so no SPM is not jubbaland. without kenya jubbaland will always be MX led and you also know that is the truth.

 

[Clllam]

The young generation takes qabiil merely as a joke/petty genealogy. As more reer badiyo settle in cities, patriotism will grow exponentially.

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

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Somalia is always going to be Federal where 5-6 clans/men control all the power and have the most leverage in selecting MPs. This is basically Factions that overthrew Siad Barre reaping the rewards in states and power.

SNM = SL
SSDF = PL
USC = GM
USC = HS
RRA = SW
SPM = JL

1p1v is no where near and Long way to go.

Only two of those actually overthrew Afweyne.....

 

[Gadhwayne]

Since Somalia is based on 6 Clan States Federalism, than the obvious choice is to pass Presidential Rotation to these 6 Clans who own states, and by no means should we ever allow an Stateless Langaab clan become Somalia's Leaders ever again.

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The South/FGS aka Somalia Itaaliana has 5 official FMS and numerous clan or terrorist enclaves. The North has 1 central government. The central government of the North cannot be compared to the clan confederalist entities of the FGS

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Somalia is always going to be Federal where 5-6 clans/men control all the power and have the most leverage in selecting MPs. This is basically Factions that overthrew Siad Barre reaping the rewards in states and power.

SNM = SL
SSDF = PL
USC = GM
USC = HS
RRA = SW
SPM = JL

1p1v is no where near and Long way to go.

SomaaliaItaliana is not federal. Its confederalist ie its composed of several independent enclaves/states and terrorist occupied regions outside of AMISOM/FGS control

Dont count the JSL/North in your list of "federal" entities of Somalia aka Somaalia Italiana

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[𐒈𐒈𐒆𐒍]

Kacaan regime was a minority isbahaysi and were most zealous loyalists that destroyed Somalia. During Civil war era minorities isku dir of main clans prolonged conflicts and didn't take part in all attempts create a government instead kept jumping between the different alliances of main clans out of self-interest when main clans succeeded in bringing some form of government the 4.5 formula to include them in power sharing despite all naf iyo maal came from main clans. Minority clans contributions been as opposition to every solutions or attempts build a government always on about dulmi and cadaalad daro demanding bigger part of powersharing while being major part of terror groups despite the appeasement from major clans. Fast forward to 2017 same minority isbahaysi that destroyed somalia returns as N&N zealots doing the opposite of main clans policies of inclusion and appeasement instead wanting dictatorship imposed on the rest and destruction of FMS for control over main clans homelands. Despite all blood spilling injustices targeting them main clans still call for peace dialog and patience.

I say 4.5 is dulmi iyo cadaalad daro against the 4 that sacrificed so much creating current government only that government be used against them aint no body fighting for their rights and inclusion in power sharing. CBB & NN + AS proves the saying that Laangaab waa ahlunaar!

 

[Periplus]

Kacaan regime was a minority isbahaysi and were most zealous loyalists that destroyed Somalia. During Civil war era minorities isku dir of main clans prolonged conflicts and didn't take part in all attempts create a government instead kept jumping between the different alliances of main clans out of self-interest when main clans succeeded in bringing some form of government the 4.5 formula to include them in power sharing despite all naf iyo maal came from main clans. Minority clans contributions been as opposition to every solutions or attempts build a government always on about dulmi and cadaalad daro demanding bigger part of powersharing while being major part of terror groups despite the appeasement from major clans. Fast forward to 2017 same minority isbahaysi that destroyed somalia returns as N&N zealots doing the opposite of main clans policies of inclusion and appeasement instead wanting dictatorship imposed on the rest and destruction of FMS for control over main clans homelands. Despite all blood spilling injustices targeting them main clans still call for peace dialog and patience.

I say 4.5 is dulmi iyo cadaalad daro against the 4 that sacrificed so much creating current government only that government be used against them aint no body fighting for their rights and inclusion in power sharing. CBB & NN + AS proves the saying that Laangaab waa ahlunaar!

Siyaad Barre’s regime was the result of major qabiils, Darood and Hawiye. Look at the officers that did the coup in 1969, they were almost entirely from major clans.

0.5 were only brought after the major clans went against Barre and he needed loyalty.

During the civil war, it was major clans fighting each other. Al-Shabaab is headed by major clans exploiting the marginalisation of smaller clans in the Somali political system for their benefit.

The FGS is led by major clans, the opposition is major clans. The FMS is major clans, the military is major clans.

Look where we are.

Maybe it’s time we let the smaller clans lead, surely it can’t be worse than 1991.

 

[Aurelian]

The best of the two

 

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how long did SPM last in jubbaland? it was couple of months. plus it was SPM + USC + RRA

from 1992 to 1998 it was SNF then in 1998 puntland was established and abdullahi yusuf brainwashed general morgan to fight marehan.

marehan left kismaayo regrouped and took it within couple of months then from 1998 to 2006 it was bare hiiraale

then from 2007 to 2008 it was marehan group that ruled then 2008 al shabaab took over and in 2011 kenya took over.

so no SPM is not jubbaland. without kenya jubbaland will always be MX led and you also know that is the truth.

The one and only mx who mattered in Jubbaland didnt say Kenya removed him this is all ill ever need

 

[Gadhwayne]

Siyaad Barre’s regime was the result of major qabiils, Darood and Hawiye. Look at the officers that did the coup in 1969, they were almost entirely from major clans.

Afweyne adopted clannist policies that hurt Haawiye and all clans, including MX. I keep saying dont blame Jabartis/MX because of Afweyne's Daaroodist policies. How can you blame an Irir clan like haawiye for Afweyne mistakes

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