Elder in Bosaso: ''Our system should be tailor fit for us and our society''

[Geeljire]

Elder in Bosaso:

"Qabil is a serious agent . It's only bad when you use it against someone. The rest of the time it's for safety."
"Clan system was never a problem, until we had to form a government. Politicians worldwide say anything to get seats. Not unique to us." "Our personal problem is politicizing Clan to gain political power. We need to find a way to separate these two things. Deadly combination."

"What we have always suggested is to make clan an official institution in Somalia. Clan matters discussed in front of an elders senate."

"What these politicians are doing now is foreign to us. It's fake governance so the criminals can loot and the foreigners can rip us off."

"This is a harness to keep us divided and weak so they can create a corrupt elite. That's how majority of African nations function anyway."

We are trying to fit Somali people into a western political system. ''Our system should be tailor fit for us and our society."

 

[Freebandz]

Elders are the most useless things in existence the best thing the south ever did was not listen to them

 

[Geeljire]

Elders are the most useless things in existence the best thing the south ever did was not listen to them

You are not making a point. The south is the most corrupt violent unstabile region in Somalia. If they didn't listen to the elders then that would make sense.

 

[Apollo]

Elders are the most useless things in existence the best thing the south ever did was not listen to them

Median age in Somalia is 15... so half are even younger than that.


The masses need to be kept in check and that's what these elders are for.

 

[Geeljire]

I think creating a seperate institution to deal with clan related matters is really a good idea honestly. We can no longer ignore that we have a particular social structure that needs to be accommodated.

 

[Freebandz]

You are not making a point. The south is the most corrupt violent unstabile region in Somalia. If they didn't listen to the elders then that would make sense.

No the south is the way it is because is a million sub clans in a tiny region also all of somalia is corrupt
You folks come from mjland so you wouldn't know the bs these old useless folks cost in mjland today there words are fucking useless the politicians control everything is same as isaaqland hence why they are successful the only dumbass who listen to these dumb old mens as prophet are the ones in a shit hole in the north

 

[Geeljire]

No the south is the way it is because is a million sub clans in a tiny region also all of somalia is corrupt
You folks come from mjland so you wouldn't know the bs these old useless folks cost in mjland today there words are fucking useless the politicians control everything is same as isaaqland hence why they are successful the only dumbass who listen to these dumb old mens as prophet are the ones in a shit hole in the north

Do you need a tissue for your issue?

 

[Freebandz]

Median age in Somalia is 15... so half are even younger than that.


The masses need to be kept in check and that's what these elders are for.

Kept in check for what
Politicians exist for a fucking reason these useless elders are no longer needed

 

[Freebandz]

Do you need a tissue for your issue?

Dislike button is sorely needed

 

[Geeljire]

Dislike button is sorely needed

Saaxiib take your nonsensical calaacal somewhere else. What you say makes no sense at all.

 

[Freebandz]

Saaxiib take your nonsensical calaacal somewhere else. What you say makes no sense at all.

I see everything I said went over your head all the successful government have little to no elders involvement for a reason but unfortunately that go against your thread
Am 21 and am smarter than any old dameer

 

[Geeljire]

I see everything I said went over your head all the successful government have little to no elders involvement for a reason but unfortunately that go against your thread
Am 21 and am smarter than any old dameer

Ok shall i address why it doesnt make sense and is just nonsensical calaacaling.

1) The fact that the South was unable to balance modern institutions with traditional was the reason for instability and lack of reconciliation between clans and hence the reason why the south compared to the north and west Somalia has not has not had a functional governance or stability. So yes it has alot to do with not including elders into the picture why the south is disasterous.

2)All the sucsessful governments in the world put in place political systems that are compatible to their social & political/societal structure. You cannot compare Apples with Oranges. Everyone has to implement systems that what fit with them and go their own path.

3) The corrupt elite is mainly from the diaspora, they exclude the local Somali civilian populous from engaging in the discussion of nation building & governance in a population where 80% are under the age 35 , its suitible to have experienced elders to guide them ,transplant knowledge & monitor them, invest in them. So yes they have a crucial role in this.

The whole thread wasnt about elders becoming president or prime ministers it was about seperating clan from politics and giving it a seperate institution of its own where we can discuss & resolve such matters. Later prevent production of corrupt elite who use clan as an agent to carry out wrong doings.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The best to happen in Puntland was the sidelining of the Issims. They are a bunch of illiterate, shortsighted old men who are out of touch.
Now, they see how elders in Somaliland have some political representation and want something like that. It will never happen, these old men must be stripped of all but ceremonial power, their time is over.

 

[Al Dhoobe]

Ok shall i address why it doesnt make sense and is just nonsensical calcaaling.

1) The fact that the South was unable to balance modern institutions with traditional was the reason for instability and lack of reconciliation between clans and hence the reason why the south compared to the north and west Somalia has not has not had a functional governance or stability. So yes it has alot to do with not including elders into the picture why the south is disasterous.

2)All the sucsessful governments in the world put in place political systems that are compatible to their social & political/societal structure. You cannot compare Apples with Oranges. Everyone has to implement systems that what fit with them and go their own path.

3) The corrupt elite is mainly from the diaspora, they exclude the local Somali civilian populous from engaging in the discussion of nation building & governance in a population where 80% are under the age 35 , its suitible to have experienced elders to guide them ,transplant knowledge & monitor them, invest in them. So yes they have a crucial role in this.

The whole thread wasnt about elders becoming president or prime ministers it was about seperating clan from politics and giving it a seperate institution of its own where we can discuss & resolve such matters. Later prevent production of corrupt elite who use clan as an agent to carry out wrong doings.

..so there is intelligent life on somalispot after all

 

[gilic mech]

I see everything I said went over your head all the successful government have little to no elders involvement for a reason but unfortunately that go against your thread
Am 21 and am smarter than any old dameer

smarter yeah , wiser no

 

[Freebandz]

The best to happen in Puntland was the sidelining of the Issims. They are a bunch of illiterate, shortsighted old men who are out of touch.
Now, they see how elders in Somaliland have some political representation and want something like that. It will never happen, these old men must be stripped of all but ceremonial power, their time is over.

We're probably the only 2 people using common sense

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

Elders are the most useless things in existence the best thing the south ever did was not listen to them

When @Freebandz thinks of elders he remembers the Dhulbahante garaads and there's like 14 of them all trying to make money.

 

[John Michael]

@Freebandz you are spot on, way too many qabils in the south and each of them mixed together. We need not to function like clan enclaves.

This odeys stifle the economy as well and are part and parcel of the corruption.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

@Freebandz you are spot on, way too many qabils in the south and each of them mixed together. We need not to function like clan enclaves.

This odeys stifle the economy as well and are part and parcel of the corruption.

Our elders don't get involved in politics and are there to keep the peace. Boqor Burhaan, Islaan Bashir, Islaan Isse are all respected and when they speak no one dares to speak. They're there to mediate disputes amongst other things.

Anything south of Galkayo though no one cares for elders since they're mostly opportunists and new to the scene. The men I've mentioned are sons of previous leaders like Boqor Muse and Islaan Farah so it's nothing new to us. May Allah preserve our elders.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

Do Hawiye even have elders though? The only one I remember is that Axmed diriye fool always going on radios threatening clans. No wonder Baraxley to xamar is a mess.