101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible

[Aduunyoy]

Clear Contradictions in the Bible, which prove that the current bible is not the real bible that Jesus came with. Jesus did come with a true holy book called "Injeel" or bible, but it had the same concepts about God as all the Prophets did, from Prophet Adam to Prophet Muhammad, the final messenger.

Jesus and all the Prophets taught that God is one without a partner, and that God does not need any of His creations in anway, and that God does not resemble His creations, He has no image, body or form. He existed eternal before the creations, before time and place, and God now Exists as He existed; without being in a place. He is not sitting on the throne as jews claim, He is not living in the sky or in Paradise, He exists without a place because: God DOES NOT NEED ANYTHING, no father or son, no place or image. God is clear from bodily parts.


We, Muslims, believe in all true holy books, and in all the Prophets, they all worshipped one God the creator, thus they all were Muslims.

Per the Christians claim, Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?


(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)



* In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?


(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)

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* How many fighting men were found in Judah?


(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

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* God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?


(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

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* How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

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* How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?


(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24)
(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

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* How long did he rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Three months (2 Kings 24)
(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

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* The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?


(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23)
(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

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* When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?


(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

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* How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?


(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

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* When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?


(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

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* How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?


(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
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* In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?


(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
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* How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?


(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

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* Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?


(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

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* Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?


(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

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* How many were the children of Zattu?


(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

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* How many were the children of Azgad?


(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

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* How many were the children of Adin?


(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

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* How many were the children of Hashum?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

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* How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

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* Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:


(a) 29,818 (Ezra)
(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)

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[Aduunyoy]

* How many singers accompanied the assembly?


(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

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* What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?


(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

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* Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?


(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
(b) No (Joshua 15:63)

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* Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?


(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)

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* Jesus descended from which son of David?


(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)

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* Who was the father of Shealtiel?


(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)

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* Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?


(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

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* Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a) Joram (Matthew 1:8)
(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

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* Who as the father of Jechoniah?


(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

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* How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?


(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

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* Who was the father of Shelah?


(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

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* Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?


(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
(b) No(John 1:19-21)

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* Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?


(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

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* Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?


(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”
(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”

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* How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?


(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

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* Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?


(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

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* When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?


(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”
(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

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* Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?


(a) Yes(Mark6:8)
(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

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* Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?


(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
(b) No (Luke 9:9)

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* Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?


(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
(b) No (John 1:32,33)

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* Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?


(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)
(b) No (Matthew 11:2)

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* According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?


(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)
(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

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* When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?


(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)
(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).

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* The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?


(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

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* Did Judas kiss Jesus?


(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

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* What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?


(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).
(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

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* Did Jesus bear his own cross?


(a) Yes (John 19:17)
(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)

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* Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?


(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)
(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, (they claim) he said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

* In the true bible, Jesus never called God as "Father" rather, he called God as "ILAHI" my lord.
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* Did Jesus say anything secretly?


(a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)
(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

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* Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?


(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)
(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

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* The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?


(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

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* Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?


(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)
(b) No. (They claim) He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)

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* When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?


(a) Yes(Acts9:7)


(b) No(Acts22:9)

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* When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?


(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)


(b) No (Acts 9:7)

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* Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?


(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)


(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

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* When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?


(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)


(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)

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* How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?


(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)
(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

 

[Aduunyoy]

I will continue this later on insha allaah . too tired now

 

[Odeg]

Then where is the real bible or injeel and why was it not preserved?

 

[Aduunyoy]

Then where is the real bible or injeel and why was it not preserved?

the true al-injeel is lost. We do not accept the now-held and used Bible, because it has many versions, and because it has many changes by man, where as the Quraan, it's still the same, Millions of it all of it THE SAME, as it has been revealed on our Prophet, Prophet Muhammad may peace and blessing be upon him and on the previous Prophets of Allah.

 

[Odeg]

the true al-injeel is lost. We do not accept the now-held and used Bible, because it has many versions, and because it has many changes by man, where as the Quraan, it's still the same, Millions of it all of it THE SAME, as it has been revealed on our Prophet, Prophet Muhammad may peace and blessing be upon him and on the previous Prophets of Allah.

Thats my issue, how can a book from god be lost and corrupted by people? And it would be interesting to compare religions of previous prophets to islam and see if there is contradictions or if its truly the same core message.

 

[Apollo]

I have read the entire Bible in Af-Somali, .

The translation quality is surprisingly good.

 

[Hafez]

Thats my issue, how can a book from god be lost and corrupted by people? And it would be interesting to compare religions of previous prophets to islam and see if there is contradictions or if its truly the same core message.

Why does evil exist? Allah (SWT) lets it happen. Everyone's tested in different ways. Since the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the final messenger and his advent is prior to the hour, it only makes sense that the Qur'an remains unadulterated.

Narrated Sahl bin Sad: I saw Allah's Apostle pointing with his index and middle fingers, saying. "The time of my Advent and the Hour are like these two fingers." The Great Catastrophe will overwhelm everything.

{Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 458}

On top of that, Allah (SWT) has promised to preserve the Qur'an. There have been thousands of attempts to destroy the Qur'an (e.g. when the Mongols invaded Islamic lands and burnt their libraries and executed scholars) but they were all in vain.

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." - al-Hijr 15:9.

 

[Aduunyoy]

Thats my issue, how can a book from god be lost and corrupted by people? And it would be interesting to compare religions of previous prophets to islam and see if there is contradictions or if its truly the same core message.

Muslims believe that al-Injeel (the gospel) was revealed to Jesus . By Injeel we mean the collection of revelations received by Jesus Christ from God. they are not available now in the form of a book. what we have is a collection of twenty seven books called the New Testament. the first four books of the New Testament are called the Gospels. These are supposed to have been written by the four disciples of Jesus, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There are many evidences that the real authors of these four Gospels were not really the disciples chosen by Jesus . Of course the Gospels speak about the twelve disciples chosen by Jesus himself; but the names Mark and Luke do not appear among these twelve. There is an opinion that states that the content and the language of the Gospels clearly show that they are not the Word of God, and hence they were not revelations from God. Fiiri example, how the Gospel of Luke begins: Luke 1 (1- 4):
1. For as much as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2. Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3. It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4. That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

We can understand the following details from the above verses:
• Many people had written “those things” believed to have happened in the life of Jesus.
• Luke claims to have good understanding of “those things” from the very first, not because he was an eye witness, but because he says he received those ideas from eye witnesses and ministers of the word.
• Like the others who took in hand “to set forth in order the declaration of those things”, he too felt like writing them down.
• The purpose is that his friend Theophilus too can “know the certainty of those things” wherein he was instructed.
• Evidently this is the beginning of a letter addressed to Theophilus.

This clearly shows that the Gospel of Luke was certainly not a revelation or the result of inspiration. The real revelations of God came to Jesus and no doubt he taught his disciples quoting from them. But we have no evidence to prove that Jesus dictated these word for word to be written down and kept intact..ALLAHU ACLAM

 

[Odeg]

Why does evil exist? Allah (SWT) lets it happen. Everyone's tested in different ways. Since the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the final messenger and his advent is prior to the hour, it only makes sense that the Qur'an remains unadulterated.

Narrated Sahl bin Sad: I saw Allah's Apostle pointing with his index and middle fingers, saying. "The time of my Advent and the Hour are like these two fingers." The Great Catastrophe will overwhelm everything.

{Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 458}

On top of that, Allah (SWT) has promised to preserve the Qur'an. There have been thousands of attempts to destroy the Qur'an (e.g. when the Mongols invaded Islamic lands and burnt their libraries and executed scholars) but they were all in vain.

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." - al-Hijr 15:9.

Its really non argument since basically everything that exist one can argue that Allah lets it happen. Its a way to answer but avoiding answering it properly. The question was why would Allah send a book and let it be corrupted by man and not be guardian of it.

 

[Odeg]

Muslims believe that al-Injeel (the gospel) was revealed to Jesus . By Injeel we mean the collection of revelations received by Jesus Christ from God. they are not available now in the form of a book. what we have is a collection of twenty seven books called the New Testament. the first four books of the New Testament are called the Gospels. These are supposed to have been written by the four disciples of Jesus, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There are many evidences that the real authors of these four Gospels were not really the disciples chosen by Jesus . Of course the Gospels speak about the twelve disciples chosen by Jesus himself; but the names Mark and Luke do not appear among these twelve. There is an opinion that states that the content and the language of the Gospels clearly show that they are not the Word of God, and hence they were not revelations from God. Fiiri example, how the Gospel of Luke begins: Luke 1 (1- 4):
1. For as much as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2. Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3. It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4. That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

We can understand the following details from the above verses:
• Many people had written “those things” believed to have happened in the life of Jesus.
• Luke claims to have good understanding of “those things” from the very first, not because he was an eye witness, but because he says he received those ideas from eye witnesses and ministers of the word.
• Like the others who took in hand “to set forth in order the declaration of those things”, he too felt like writing them down.
• The purpose is that his friend Theophilus too can “know the certainty of those things” wherein he was instructed.
• Evidently this is the beginning of a letter addressed to Theophilus.

This clearly shows that the Gospel of Luke was certainly not a revelation or the result of inspiration. The real revelations of God came to Jesus and no doubt he taught his disciples quoting from them. But we have no evidence to prove that Jesus dictated these word for word to be written down and kept intact..ALLAHU ACLAM

As far my understanding goes the injeel is a book or a scripture and im not adressing the bible of today but the original that was supposely corrupted, the question was why was it not perserved in its original form? Its a book since the quran calls it the people of the books, meaning injeel the quran and the torah.

 

[Aduunyoy]

As far my understanding goes the injeel is a book or a scripture and im not adressing the bible of today but the original that was supposely corrupted, the question was why was it not perserved in its original form? Its a book since the quran calls it the people of the books, meaning injeel the quran and the torah.

What the Quran speaks of is the revelation given to Prophet Jesus, Peace be upon him, something that he was guided by divine revelation. Nowhere does the Quran refer to the Injeel revealed to Jesus.Peace be upon him as some sort of documented book. rather, they were the teachings (revealed of course) of Jesus. Peace be upon him.

 

[sinister]

It is the Quran that says 'if this was indeed from other than Allah, they would find therein much contradiction' (paraphrasing) in order to 'prove' its divinity. Christians themselves acknowledge that their scripture is written by mere men and make no such claims, so I can't see the point of this tbh.

 

[Odeg]

What the Quran speaks of is the revelation given to Prophet Jesus, Peace be upon him, something that he was guided by divine revelation. Nowhere does the Quran refer to the Injeel revealed to Jesus.Peace be upon him as some sort of documented book. rather, they were the teachings (revealed of course) of Jesus. Peace be upon him.

[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."
Surah Maryam : Verse No 30

 

[Hafez]

Its really non argument since basically everything that exist one can argue that Allah lets it happen. Its a way to answer but avoiding answering it properly. The question was why would Allah send a book and let it be corrupted by man and not be guardian of it.

How is it a non argument? What about when Allah (SWT) caused a she-camel to come forth from a rock as a miracle bestowed upon Prophet Saleh (AS) and a sign for the people, but eventually the she-camel was killed by "mere man"? Look, the word of Allah (SWT) is eternal. The Injil, Torah and other revealed scriptures are the words of Allah (SWT). Allah (SWT) let it happen (that the people of the book distort their scriptures) as a specific test for them. The aforementioned scriptures do not exist in their pure form but this does not mean that the words of Allah (SWT) were corrupted by "mere man"; it just means that these revealed scriptures are no longer in the possession of man (just as they weren't prior to their revelation). You will be tested in ways different me, this ummah will be tested in ways different to the previous nations. The divine laws that we adhere to are also different; for example, in Adam (AS) time, his children (who were siblings of one another) were allowed to marry each other and procreate, no one else was on earth at the time, this law has obviously been abolished. Another example is, the Christians and Jews were allowed to marry as much women, while the quota for us is 4. The revelation of the Qur'an could also be a means of reinforcing the truthfulness of the words of Allah (SWT), because we are informed in the Qur'an that the people of the book distorted their scriptures (we can find evidence for this ourselves) and we're also informed that the Qur'an will never be changed (and it hasn't until today).

P.S. There are many biblical verses that indicate that Allah (SWT) already knew that the people of the book would change their scripture. Here's an example:

Revelation (22:19) "And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

 

[Odeg]

How is it a non argument? What about when Allah (SWT) caused a she-camel to come forth from a rock as a miracle bestowed upon Prophet Saleh (AS) and a sign for the people, but eventually the she-camel was killed by "mere man"? Look, the word of Allah (SWT) is eternal. The Injil, Torah and other revealed scriptures are the words of Allah (SWT). Allah (SWT) let it happen (that the people of the book distort their scriptures) as a specific test for them. The aforementioned scriptures do not exist in their pure form but this does not mean that the words of Allah (SWT) were corrupted by "mere man"; it just means that these revealed scriptures are no longer in the possession of man (just as they weren't prior to their revelation). You will be tested in ways different me, this ummah will be tested in ways different to the previous nations. The divine laws that we adhere to are also different; for example, in Adam (AS) time, his children (who were siblings of one another) were allowed to marry each other and procreate, no one else was on earth at the time, this law has obviously been abolished. Another example is, the Christians and Jews were allowed to marry as much women, while the quota for us is 4. The revelation of the Qur'an could also be a means of reinforcing the truthfulness of the words of Allah (SWT), because we are informed in the Qur'an that the people of the book distorted their scriptures (we can find evidence for this ourselves) and we're also informed that the Qur'an will never be changed (and it hasn't until today).

P.S. There are many biblical verses that indicate that Allah (SWT) already knew that the people of the book would change their scripture. Here's an example:

Revelation (22:19) "And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

It becomes a non argument because the only way to come to that conclusion is to follow the parameters you set for this and thats why what you are saying is only "making sense" in Islamic traddition. Or do you believe that christians will come to this very same conclusion, Obviously not because subjectively they dont hold same belief as you. The thing is a all powerful god would know that humans would interfere in his will (of sending books and prophets) and that god let it happen to test people is bad argument from rational perspective and makes no sense unless you build up specific conditions to make sense of it. For example why is not a argument is because if someone claim that the quran is not complete and build around it some of his condition he can argue his point but it does not become valid for you right? It only makes sense in this specific perspective that require certain conditions.

 

[Hafez]

It becomes a non argument because the only way to come to that conclusion is to follow the parameters you set for this and thats why what you are saying is only "making sense" in Islamic traddition. Or do you believe that christians will come to this very same conclusion, Obviously not because subjectively they dont hold same belief as you. The thing is a all powerful god would know that humans would interfere in his will (of sending books and prophets) and that god let it happen to test people is bad argument from rational perspective and makes no sense unless you build up specific conditions to make sense of it. For example why is not a argument is because if someone claim that the quran is not complete and build around it some of his condition he can argue his point but it does not become valid for you right? It only makes sense in this specific perspective that require certain conditions.

Does it make sense that God has created us to test us (while knowing the end result)? Come on sxb... Snap out of it. You've asked me for an explanation and I've given it you. The proof of my reasoning are the verses (regarding this topic) that can be found in the Qur'an and the Bible, so it would also make sense from a non-Muslim's perspective.

 

[Odeg]

Does it make sense that God has created us to test us (while knowing the end result)? Come on sxb... Snap out of it. You've asked me for an explanation and I've given it you. The proof of my reasoning are the verses (regarding this topic) that can be found in the Qur'an and the Bible, so it would also make sense from a non-Muslim's perspective.

But your explanation is invalid/lacking in rationality and I tried to forward that notion to you. What you have done is not giving me your reasoning but the reasoning stated in the quran and the bible and not everyone subscribe to this. 1+1 is 2 and we can call it proof or a argument but not the reasoning you presented because it requires a condition(faith) first to be established and then it can make sense from a subjective perspective.

 

[Hafez]

But your explanation is invalid/lacking in rationality and I tried to forward that notion to you. What you have done is not giving me your reasoning but the reasoning stated in the quran and the bible and not everyone subscribe to this. 1+1 is 2 and we can call it proof or a argument but not the reasoning you presented because it requires a condition(faith) first to be established and then it can make sense from a subjective perspective.

Not everything has to be empirically observable. Why has God created evil, eh? Do you have a scientific method to determine the answer to that question? Certain things are beyond our perceptions and senses.

 

[Odeg]

Not everything has to be empirically observable. Why has God created evil, eh? Do you have a scientific method to determine the answer to that question? Certain things are beyond our perceptions and senses.

I agree certain things are beyond perceptions and senses but this only means that we all should strive to solve and improve our understanding not rely on simply faith. For example, if people would have given up the notion of flying then we wouldnt have airplanes today.