Wilson Center says Mexicos government defeated by Cartels

[GemState]

Narco State: Wilson Center says Mexico's government defeated by cartels

Organized crime and violence that for decades have reproduced like a virus throughout Mexico, reaching the spheres of national sovereignty and

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Organized crime and violence, which have been recreated like viruses throughout Mexico for decades and have reached the realm of national sovereignty and governability, outline the increasingly feared situation of defeat in which the Mexican state finds itself. doing.

“The State lacks the operational, functional and efficient capabilities necessary to thwart and thwart the constant territorial and functional expansion of powerful organized crime organizations, dismantle them and bring their leaders to justice. “It is,” said a new article published by the Mexican Institute. Wilson Center.

The text warns that the Mexican state is “technically defeated” because the sedation and restoration of order has long been beyond its capacity. Mexico’s future is very bleak, and it is guaranteed that it will probably take decades to regain control and rebuild institutional capacity.

According to an article written by security specialist Ricardo Marquez Brass, this “defeat” has resulted in a gradual loss of territorial control that damages cartels in different parts of the country. A deeper degree of perversion and revolution in social order must be added: Narcs sovereignty and governance potential.“

I never realized how bad Mexico is until I ran the numbers. Mexico ended 2021 with around 40,000 homicides, Mexico had more homicides in 1 year than the Middle East+North Africa had war deaths in 3 years from 2019-21. Keep in mind that the Middle East+North Africa has 466 million people, and Mexico has 128 million. A G20 nation!

 

[GemState]

@Nilotic I can see South Africa ending up like this

Africa transforming their societies from poor and relatively low crime to high crime and poor, similar to what occurred in the Caribbean + LatinAm as they became drug consumption states would finish the continent.

 

[Mount23]

Hes right, Mexico is finished, these Cartels are too powerful and corrupted now and theres no solution

Unless you nuke Mexico like Trump wanted

 

[la vida loca]

@Nilotic I can see South Africa ending up like this

Africa transforming their societies from poor and relatively low crime to high crime and poor, similar to what occurred in the Caribbean + LatinAm as they became drug consumption states would finish the continent.

Most of that high crime is because running drugs from South America to North America is so lucrative. Since no such market exists in Africa, cartels like Sinaloa and Cali cannot exist.

 

[GemState]

Most of that high crime is because running drugs from South America to North America is so lucrative. Since no such market exists in Africa, cartels like Sinaloa and Cali cannot exist.

It's a big factor, but not the main reason.

Mexico has a per capita income of $10k and an HDI of 0.78. Comparable countries by both Per Capita income+HDI are; China, Turkey, Gabon, Russia, and Thailand.

Why is Mexico much, much more dangerous than all the countries I listed despite being wealthier than Turkey, Gabon&Thailand? IMO, the problem is cultural.

The main sociological factor for Mexico's high murder/violent crime rate is the fact it's a plantation society. A plantation society is characterized by large estates/plantations producing crops for export, social/racial stratification, and high levels of inequality. This social system was transported by the Spanish, and in the Americas, it exists south of the Mason-Dixie line to the Rio Grande do Sul in Southern Brazil.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social...l-sciences-magazines/plantation-economy-model

Generally in the US, the Southern States, where the plantation society existed have a murder rate much higher than in the Northern US. Louisiana's murder rate is 15.8 per 100,000 vs only 3.4 in Minnesota.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...cle_777f0e62-5c6c-5383-9327-0007e9b32eb2.html

Even in South East Asia, The Philipines, which has the exact same problem of being a plantation society, Filipino murder rates are much higher than her Asian neighbors, about 8 per 100,000 vs 2.6 per 100,000 for Malaysia, 0.6 per 100,000 for Indonesia, and 0.3 per 100,000 for Singapore.

First, We have to understand that Mexico is a plantation society, and such societies are predisposed to high rates of violent crime and corruption, and even a revolution won't reverse the damage overnight. Cuba, after almost 60 years of socialism, strict social control, and totalitarian government, still has a murder rate similar to the US, but it's less than 1/2 that of the neighboring Dominican Republic.

 

[Nilotic]

@GemState

You're always on point with the stats and sources

 

[El Nino]

It's a big factor, but not the main reason.

Mexico has a per capita income of $10k and an HDI of 0.78. Comparable countries by both Per Capita income+HDI are; China, Turkey, Gabon, Russia, and Thailand.

Why is Mexico much, much more dangerous than all the countries I listed despite being wealthier than Turkey, Gabon&Thailand? IMO, the problem is cultural.

The main sociological factor for Mexico's high murder/violent crime rate is the fact it's a plantation society. A plantation society is characterized by large estates/plantations producing crops for export, social/racial stratification, and high levels of inequality. This social system was transported by the Spanish, and in the Americas, it exists south of the Mason-Dixie line to the Rio Grande do Sul in Southern Brazil.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social...l-sciences-magazines/plantation-economy-model

Generally in the US, the Southern States, where the plantation society existed have a murder rate much higher than in the Northern US. Louisiana's murder rate is 15.8 per 100,000 vs only 3.4 in Minnesota.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...cle_777f0e62-5c6c-5383-9327-0007e9b32eb2.html

Even in South East Asia, The Philipines, which has the exact same problem of being a plantation society, Filipino murder rates are much higher than her Asian neighbors, about 8 per 100,000 vs 2.6 per 100,000 for Malaysia, 0.6 per 100,000 for Indonesia, and 0.3 per 100,000 for Singapore.

First, We have to understand that Mexico is a plantation society, and such societies are predisposed to high rates of violent crime and corruption, and even a revolution won't reverse the damage overnight. Cuba, after almost 60 years of socialism, strict social control, and totalitarian government, still has a murder rate similar to the US, but it's less than 1/2 that of the neighboring Dominican Republic.

What african countries can become like Mexico or other highly dangerous LATAM countries?

 

[GemState]

What african countries can become like Mexico or other highly dangerous LATAM countries?

South Africa, DR Congo, Guinea-Bissau, Southern Nigeria

 

[Omar del Sur]

It's a big factor, but not the main reason.

Mexico has a per capita income of $10k and an HDI of 0.78. Comparable countries by both Per Capita income+HDI are; China, Turkey, Gabon, Russia, and Thailand.

Why is Mexico much, much more dangerous than all the countries I listed despite being wealthier than Turkey, Gabon&Thailand? IMO, the problem is cultural.

The main sociological factor for Mexico's high murder/violent crime rate is the fact it's a plantation society. A plantation society is characterized by large estates/plantations producing crops for export, social/racial stratification, and high levels of inequality. This social system was transported by the Spanish, and in the Americas, it exists south of the Mason-Dixie line to the Rio Grande do Sul in Southern Brazil.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social...l-sciences-magazines/plantation-economy-model

Generally in the US, the Southern States, where the plantation society existed have a murder rate much higher than in the Northern US. Louisiana's murder rate is 15.8 per 100,000 vs only 3.4 in Minnesota.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/min...cle_777f0e62-5c6c-5383-9327-0007e9b32eb2.html

Even in South East Asia, The Philipines, which has the exact same problem of being a plantation society, Filipino murder rates are much higher than her Asian neighbors, about 8 per 100,000 vs 2.6 per 100,000 for Malaysia, 0.6 per 100,000 for Indonesia, and 0.3 per 100,000 for Singapore.

First, We have to understand that Mexico is a plantation society, and such societies are predisposed to high rates of violent crime and corruption, and even a revolution won't reverse the damage overnight. Cuba, after almost 60 years of socialism, strict social control, and totalitarian government, still has a murder rate similar to the US, but it's less than 1/2 that of the neighboring Dominican Republic.

Mexico is an interesting country and despite the cartel situation- Mexico is the most influential country in Latin America (except maybe Cuba due to the massive influence Cuba has had since Chávez). I definitely encourage people if they want to learn about Mexico.

Not only is Mexico influential culturally and through its diaspora but Mexico under AMLO is a sort of imperialist power within the region. But don't tell anyone.

However, this analysis is incorrect.

All this stuff about Mexico being a plantation society- all this description would have been much more the case during the Porfiriato period prior to the 1910 revolution. Yet crime was nowhere near as bad during the Porfiriato.

Furthermore, all this extreme violence stuff- it wasn't an issue until around the presidency of Felipe Calderón... it was around like 2005, around then.

There hasn't been this kind of violence in Mexico from the Cristero revolution of the 1920's up until around 2005 around the time of Felipe Calderón. All that time Mexico was actually a very peaceful country.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Most of that high crime is because running drugs from South America to North America is so lucrative. Since no such market exists in Africa, cartels like Sinaloa and Cali cannot exist.

Yes, the issue with the cartels has a lot to do with how extremely well-funded they are by the US drug market. Can you imagine if Al-Shabaab had that kind of funding?? So Mexico deals not only with an insurgency but one that is super insanely well-funded.

Also another thing is I don't think the Mexican government and the cartels are actually enemies. Under Calderón around 15 years ago I think it is possible they were really enemies (although I think the government's supposed war against the cartels was actually just against cartels not secretly allied with the state) but if you know about Mexico's current government- I don't think they and the cartels are really enemies. I don't think the government necessarily is literally being run by the cartels but I don't think they're really enemies either.

 

[HiraanBorn]

Mexico is an interesting country and despite the cartel situation- Mexico is the most influential country in Latin America (except maybe Cuba due to the massive influence Cuba has had since Chávez). I definitely encourage people if they want to learn about Mexico.

Not only is Mexico influential culturally and through its diaspora but Mexico under AMLO is a sort of imperialist power within the region. But don't tell anyone.

However, this analysis is incorrect.

All this stuff about Mexico being a plantation society- all this description would have been much more the case during the Porfiriato period prior to the 1910 revolution. Yet crime was nowhere near as bad during the Porfiriato.

Furthermore, all this extreme violence stuff- it wasn't an issue until around the presidency of Felipe Calderón... it was around like 2005, around then.

There hasn't been this kind of violence in Mexico from the Cristero revolution of the 1920's up until around 2005 around the time of Felipe Calderón. All that time Mexico was actually a very peaceful country.

They say Islam is spreading in Latin America including Mexico, perhaps it will help minimise the level of crime in the region in the near future.

 

[Omar del Sur]

They say Islam is spreading in Latin America including Mexico, perhaps it will help minimise the level of crime in the region in the near future.

It has spread somewhat in the US amongst Hispanics who know English. In Spanish, there's very little material. So if you live in the region, very likely you've never met a Muslim, you have little access to Islamic material in your language (unless you want to convert to Shi'ism!- the top Spanish-language "Islamic" channel is run by Iran) and you have all kinds of anti-Islamic narratives floating around.

In Mexico the Muslims are estimated at somewhere under one percent of the population.

Interest is growing in Islam, however. What I'm concerned with is more material being made available. I don't think even Saheeh Bukhari is easily available in Spanish. I think I saw a rare copy in Spanish for some crazy price.

But yes, Islam is the solution for everyone's problems in that region and all regions- definitely.

Also there was a Peruvian Shia leader who got caught basically threatening to carry out terrorism last year if Pedro Castillo lost the election. Shi'ism is making serious inroads and the incident highlights what a menace is faced. The guy in question was somehow connected with Iran, I think he was actually supported by the Iran government.

 

[El Nino]

South Africa, DR Congo, Guinea-Bissau, Southern Nigeria

South Africa already has a drug problem, can the rest of those countries be the same?

Guinea-Bissau is already a narco state, but still somewhat safe, a murder rate of 1.1, they have hope.

 

[HiraanBorn]

South Africa already has a drug problem, can the rest of those countries be the same?

Guinea-Bissau is already a narco state, but still somewhat safe, a murder rate of 1.1, they have hope.

I wasn't even aware that Guinea-Bissau had a drug problem, you never hear anything from that country.