Will Somalia ever be free?

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Will it ever be possible for Somalia to act as a truly sovereign nation without fear? If almost everything related to the government is funded by ajnabis, how can they ever be genuinely free?

Nothing in this world comes without conditions, continued aid always requires compliance.

Is this really the long-term plan? Even more powerful countries like Türkiye are careful to avoid antagonizing major investors such as the UAE when pursuing their own geopolitical interests. So how can Somalia, as a much weaker nation, realistically safeguard its geopolitical self-interest without restrictions if nearly everything is provided by ajnabi governments?

 

[Zak12]

The government doesn't control anything beyond Mogadishu and the economy is entirely controlled by local businessmen and companies. The question you should be asking is how long can the corrupt elite get away with the status quo until their donors get tired of the lack of progress and pull the plug.

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

The government doesn't control anything beyond Mogadishu and the economy is entirely controlled by local businessmen and companies. The question you should be asking is how long can the corrupt elite get away with the status quo until their donors get tired of the lack of progress and pull the plug.

What happens when they pull the plug?

 

[Zak12]

What happens when they pull the plug?

FGS will finally be held accountable by the public and will be forced to find a way to actually tax the population for revenue since their donors won't be keeping them afloat.

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

FGS will finally be held accountable by the public and will be forced to find a way to actually tax the population for revenue since their donors won't be keeping them afloat.

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[Zak12]

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Only within the current system

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

Only within the current system

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not trynna troll you saxiib legitimate question.

 

[RiceMuncher]

Turkey v UAE was a bad example as they've duked it out in Libya, and currently in Sudan. A poor developing country will always be on the menu of greater powers. Kenya for example, gets told by the US who they can/can't have a strategic relation with.

We need to finish the shitty constitution with everyone on board. Organise an inclusive SNA, and recruit from all regions. Forget about projects like a new airport/port and use every penny on eradicating AS.

Organise elections from Ras Kamboni to Buuhoodle, and then let the one who wins that election to hold talks with SL, with a red line being independence. Everything else on the table for negotiations. Once we clear all these hurdles, we'll still be far from true sovereignty as a poor country.
If we're lucky we could find oil/gas.

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

The government doesn't control anything beyond Mogadishu and the economy is entirely controlled by local businessmen and companies. The question you should be asking is how long can the corrupt elite get away with the status quo until their donors get tired of the lack of progress and pull the plug.

For the economy to thrive, you need a stable government, the more stability there is, the more investment flows into local businesses. The country simply cannot function on local businesses and companies alone.

You ask, how long until they pull the plug ,they don’t give a rat’s ass about the country’s progress, especially if that progress could later threaten their interests.

What they’re really doing is shaping the government to suit their own geopolitical goals, and the money they spend to do this is peanuts compared to the leverage it gives them. Why would they ever let a country like Somalia reach its full potential, since doing so would render ajnabi influence nonexistent and leave them unneeded? Pulling the plug could create a bigger problem, one that might backfire and undermine everything they’re trying to achieve.


Ever wonder why the invasion of Somalia in 2006 happened so fast? They had no strong players inside the country who could serve their interests in the most optimal way, and once maxakiinta took over, it shut the door on those opportunities, leaving force as the only option. That’s why they had to take drastic measures and greenlight the invasion. Without immoral puppets, a country can’t be brought to its knees covertly.

 

[Zak12]

The country simply cannot function on local businesses and companies alone.

In the long run, no but my point is that the government isn't nearly as powerful or influential as some people think they are.

hey don’t give a rat’s ass about the country’s progress, especially if that progress could later threaten their interests.

They do care. I don't get why people think America and the EU are some malicious force against Somalia when they have spent billions on the country's security. Its in their interests to have a stable Somalia they could do business with and be a reliable ally in a strategic area of the world.

and the money they spend to do this is peanuts compared to the leverage it gives them.

What leverage? Somalia's government is extremely dysfunctional and they don't give the west any resources or anything of value. They are completely leeching off of the west's donations.

Yes, their initial goal was to shape the Somali government into an entity that sides with their interests but they have yet to get any returns on that. Billions spent and for what? Seeing Al-Shabab undoing all their work? The west isn't stupid to waste anymore money on Somalia's government if they aren't getting anything back.

let a country like Somalia reach its full potential, since doing so would render ajnabi influence nonexistent and leave them unneeded?

Somalia even with its "full potential" would still be under some ajnabi influence to an extent. Plenty of rich and developed countries outside of superpowers like America, Russia and China are in fact under someone else's sphere of influence (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Germany, Japan, Costa Rica, ect). Unless you want Somalia to be like Iran and be fully outside any system, then Somalia regardless of what path it takes will inevitably be under ajnabi influence.

Ever wonder why the invasion of Somalia in 2006 happened so fast?

The invasion was simply bad timing. America under Bush was on a anti-Islam crusade following post 9/11 hysteria so the ICU was one of the targets. If the ICU had taken power in the 90s, no invasion would have happened. And today, America is slowly rolling back on supporting pro American regimes as seen with Afghanistan. The cost and burden is simply too much.

 

[The alchemist]

The truth is, this notion of freedom comes with greater power and ability to exercise leverage. So it all comes down to how a country runs itself. Imperialistic efforts by larger countries definitely have a compromising effect in ways most people don't know the depth of. However, one can overcome most of it. It just takes more than what we've been accustomed to through the nation-building narratives around the world.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Will it ever be possible for Somalia to act as a truly sovereign nation without fear? If almost everything related to the government is funded by ajnabis, how can they ever be genuinely free?

Nothing in this world comes without conditions, continued aid always requires compliance.

Is this really the long-term plan? Even more powerful countries like Türkiye are careful to avoid antagonizing major investors such as the UAE when pursuing their own geopolitical interests. So how can Somalia, as a much weaker nation, realistically safeguard its geopolitical self-interest without restrictions if nearly everything is provided by ajnabi governments?

In gazillion years maybe