Why should Mogadishu.........

[shum33]

care if Puntland secedes or Somaliland get its sovereignty and independence back??

The south is the richest region in the somali peninsula, the south has the biggest,richest,oldest city in the peninsula (the pearl of the indian ocean),access to most of the african market through its ports(its ports can supply all the way to central africa), oil reserves,most fertile and well irrigated land in the peninsula,most mineral deposits in the peninsula(uranium,iron..e.t.c)

Diversity can be its strength,the reason why the south is so unstable is because of the number of different clans with different priorities. This diversity can be its strength if they abandon their clan dependency and create a modern government unlike the north that is centered on clan politics cause its less diverse. Its clear people down there want to unite but instead of a strong government there is Al shabab!! Al shabab unites somalis in the only thing they respect i.e the deen. If the government was strong enough that wouldn't be a problem

Alot i can add but anyway why should it care?

 

[AarLibaax]

Why can we not be diverse under

 

[Younes Osman]

100% believe in Somaliland getting recognition. But, the shanta somaliyeed and making it into one country is nonsense and disingenuous when you look at clan politics. Shanta somaliyeed to me are people that are scattered all over the horn of Africa, therefore, some degree have the same/ similar culture and follow the same religion is an argument made by unionists or those who want a "Greater Somalia ". There was never was a "somali state" to begin with prior to the 19th century, But, civilisations. The 3 Somali nations were formed in the late 19 century which was 2 colonies and a protectorate.

But, if the people of Puntland state of Konfurta want independence from Xamar then it is a huge blow to the Federalka Konfurta somaliyeed government. The most concerning part is that it could undermined the security stability of Konfurtta.
The creation of Puntland in 1998 was from a unionist prospective in which the shareholders were harti who sympathised with the idea of "greater Somalia " . But, there needs to be a serious discussion on what is the future of Somalia, the last 19 years federal system remains to be ineffective in regards to governing clan based regional states within the union.

 

[Awdalia Rising]

The south has insecurity issues


By the way N&N niggas like @Ibrahim hassan and @nomand are gay asf I think Failmucho wants to bring LGBT to Somalia he will use his gay cousin in Australia the Marehan gay “imam” to help further the cause

 

[DR OSMAN]

care if Puntland secedes or Somaliland get its sovereignty and independence back??

The south is the richest region in the somali peninsula, the south has the biggest,richest,oldest city in the peninsula (the pearl of the indian ocean),access to most of the african market through its ports(its ports can supply all the way to central africa), oil reserves,most fertile and well irrigated land in the peninsula,most mineral deposits in the peninsula(uranium,iron..e.t.c)

Diversity can be its strength,the reason why the south is so unstable is because of the number of different clans with different priorities. This diversity can be its strength if they abandon their clan dependency and create a modern government unlike the north that is centered on clan politics cause its less diverse. Its clear people down there want to unite but instead of a strong government there is Al shabab!! Al shabab unites somalis in the only thing they respect i.e the deen. If the government was strong enough that wouldn't be a problem

Alot i can add but anyway why should it care?

Is that code word or political correctness, why not just say it in af-somali so they understand directly rather in-direct. Just tell them 'your fuckin wax tabar daran, small clans who can't secure more then a village, your not built for wars but to be carved up by someone' as your settled ppl.

Apologize for northern originating clans who are penetrating the south on clan-line and doing a 'scramble' on original settlers and how PL/SL/GM/DDSI/Djibouti will sign an agreement to remove any northerner who isnt 5 generation to the southern acclimatized back home.

Tell them u learn qabil now from 'galmudug' but it's not used in that way in the north as GM is a 'wax qaawan' in the north with no 'house of order' and he spread his culture to you, but he won't dare battle in the north beyond hitting market places and xafaads so he can make you 'stop' fighting, even tho he lives in galkayo like 'bimaal' and waa loo naxarisanaya kkkk as we can't send a message of using to much 'force' on our minorities up to the beletwayn river as we won't be seen as a mature state wallahi and lose all our legacy building.

 

[nomand]

just because your not the president are you going to throw away your toys?

And where will that stop? if somaliland got independence the harti would want independence from isaaq and then the garxajis would want independence from habal awal. You would open a pandora box that will divide people into sub sub sub sub clan.

until every 4 square km would want to become its own country.

 

[DR OSMAN]

just because your not the president are you going to throw away your toys?

And where will that stop? if somaliland got independence the harti would want independence from isaaq and then the garxajis would want independence from habal awal. You would open a pandora box that will divide people into sub sub sub sub clan.

until every 4 square km would want to become its own country.

War 'waa jambal' ay ku raban awood aysan dalka ku lahayn. History repeats itself. They came to the south cause they were 5 armed clans and naturally all of them were aborigines except 'warsangeli' who lost his 'kingdom' status and was forced to join the 'shit fest' like Majerten were forced to join the shit-fest in 'hamar'. But in Majerteniya, our population never moved 'south' to the colony, nor did 'warsangeli' nor did the 'dhulbahante'.

Only our 'elites' were there to discuss 'freedom' and 'independence' from colonial as that was the main priority. He can't prove a lick of the history they speak on because u can see it replicate itself in modern day. SL isn't a viable state economically since 80% of berbera real product that is worth something is livestock, the rest if 'small items' that u can't fund a state on let alone a govt.

There is no real strategic importance to 'berbera' as it's right next to 'djibouti' who services the area. The real 'strategic part is coming in/out of gulf of aden and why PL plays a huge role 'strategically' for the world not as 'base' but a 'security' partner of the CIA and America we are not 'colony' anagu but a mature kingdom iskisa uu taagan oo basekisa samaysan kara with only armed puntlanders.

Plus our track-record as a kingdom and reliable partner with oman gives 'confidence' internationally 300 years opens up doors to other states, referrals bala dhaha. That is why I say 'tarikh' dhista as u may need it one day, kind of like a job resume, u need 'achievements' in your life-time, a state is no different. Siyad Barre left a legacy and see how marehan 'reaps' of it.

Our legacy in Somalia is huge. The father of Somaliland is my product, so somaliland is my creation kkkk. Abdullahi Issa is my legacy thru keenadiid sultanates or else he wouldn't of existed if we left him in galmuran iyo habar gedir aan heeshin karin. SYL was yasin sharmarke creation study him carefully if I were u cuz he was from 'hobyo kingdom' legacy and 'sacad' was the one who he invested capacity into to bring in the 'wild' naked ones. Yes 'dhar' ma jirin they were literally 'naked' like 'trogolodytes' as the greek records say of the area and they didn't have any trade there not a single historical artifact ma arkaysid waa WAX QAAWAN

 

[Younes Osman]

just because your not the president are you going to throw away your toys?

And where will that stop? if somaliland got independence the harti would want independence from isaaq and then the garxajis would want independence from habal awal. You would open a pandora box that will divide people into sub sub sub sub clan.

until every 4 square km would want to become its own country.

Somaliland is already independent. But, without recognition. you said garhajix would want independent from Habar Awal which is quite interesting because they live with each other in Maroodi Jeex and saaxil provinces. but, some HA live in Togdheer region with HY and HJ. in addtion, GX operates independently just like any other issaq subclan. in addtion, Harti run there regions as well.

The "pandora box " you are referring to has been opened a long time ago.....

 

[nomand]

Somaliland is already independent. But, without recognition. you said garhajix would want independent from Habar Awal which is quite interesting because they live with each other in Maroodi Jeex and saaxil provinces. but, some HA live in Togdheer region with HY and HJ. in addtion, GX operates independently just like any other issaq subclan. in addtion, Harti run there regions as well.

The "pandora box " you are referring to has been opened a long time ago.....

i said if they get independence, because whats holding up today is the boogeyman Somalia so they must show the international community a united front. But the truth is there is a deep mistrust between habar awal iyo garaxjis we saw that in the 1994 war when musa biixi said
"Anoo wax dili kara duco qaadan maayo"

he is referencing killing qarxajis here.


it does not matter where people live because in 1994 qarxajis where kicked out of hargeysa by igal and musa biixi. All i am saying is clan fiefdoms cannot make a country and that no one clan is united enough and will eventually separate into sub sub sub clan until somaliland itself becomes 7 different countries.

 

[nomand]

as for the question why should Mogadishu care about somaliland iyo puntland.

they care because both are part of somalia, its like asking your right arm why do you care about your left arm.

 

[Younes Osman]

i said if they get independence, because whats holding up today is the boogeyman Somalia so they must show the international community a united front. But the truth is there is a deep mistrust between habar awal iyo garaxjis we saw that in the 1994 war when musa biixi said
"Anoo wax dili kara duco qaadan maayo"

he is referencing killing qarxajis here.


it does not matter where people live because in 1994 qarxajis where kicked out of hargeysa by igal and musa biixi. All i am saying is clan fiefdoms cannot make a country and that no one clan is united enough and will eventually separate into sub sub sub clan until somaliland itself becomes 7 different countries.

You don't know what you are talking about...……...

 

[Awdalia Rising]

Why is this LGBT N&N Qulle boy in here?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Younes Osman Sayidka killed your 'dhaqan and elders'. Look at them in the Guurti all political and money hungry, that isn't elders kkkk, those are ppl u can buy n sell like it's stock exchange, wax 'tarikh' ay ku fadhiyan ama legacy ma jiro, waa dad qaawan dheh magac sita. U don't fool sharmarke people, remember your father is his 'xaar' so what he creates is potentially mental capacity of my 'xaar'.

You worship the same 'xaar' I give abdullahi isse in HG and siyad(he took advantage of his opportunity). Please study who influenced your leaders that created you and support and always take his mentor or inspiration more serious. When I study Singapore leader, I study who inspired him sxb and who he looked up too.

Same with the communist 'Mao'. I only study 'legacy' I can see on the ground today, I don't entertain nothing that another nation won't verify in person or state level, that's wax qaawan ppl who claim ancient egypt, romans, vikings, kkkkk cuz they know their so naked and no-one in the world exists to speak for their history and they conceal it with 'WE WUZ KANGZ' AND WE WUZ NUBIANS, WE WUZ PHAROAHS, WE WUZ HEBREWS KKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Kulaha after isirki laga ridday he attaches to anything to cover the KARBASH on his awooweyaal. That will be inshallah @Teeri-Alpha people, @nomand people, and Ismacil gheele ppl, waaa iga walle in nasabka laga riddi doono. Isaaq hadu is waalo oo awalba nasabka laga ridday as they dont have common house ruler but separate waxad maqli doonta michaelki mariamo and isaaq english like jamaican english inu noqdo. I will send u back to her wallahi so that 'disgusting' isir that left no legacy loo tirtiro and at least be under the queen so she makes u jamaican english kkkkk u n eed to be new ppl, your old isir failed u, wax qaawan buu ka dhigay.

 

[Gadhwayne]

i said if they get independence, because whats holding up today is the boogeyman Somalia so they must show the international community a united front. But the truth is there is a deep mistrust between habar awal iyo garaxjis we saw that in the 1994 war when musa biixi said
"Anoo wax dili kara duco qaadan maayo"

he is referencing killing qarxajis here.


it does not matter where people live because in 1994 qarxajis where kicked out of hargeysa by igal and musa biixi. All i am saying is clan fiefdoms cannot make a country and that no one clan is united enough and will eventually separate into sub sub sub clan until somaliland itself becomes 7 different countries.

I suport the union. Most Isaaq will probably come around to it if there is something to unite with in the south.

Here is a proposal. FGS devolves all power over all territories from BadhaxleyGaalkacyo to Kiinya, to some entity/entities/states then these "clan states" "reunite" and create some "new state" similar to ICU, except no terror affiliation. This "new state" will have full FGS powers over everuthing from BadhaxleyGaalkacyo to Kiinya border. Why?

The 4.5 system and partial sovereinty over some area plus full undeclares independence of PL plus FGS representatives that are fugutives from SL etc etc etc

You don't have to negotiate with undeclared secessionist MJ and fugitive Isaaq who sell their votes/control ovet the south. The "new state" will only represent those areas that are more or less willing / able to be coerced into consenting.

Next DISSOLVE the FGS by holding "FGS elections/ConstitutionalCovention" or something and somehow get that "new state" to be declared the new national government with possibly token representatives for MJ and any northern clan since MajeerteeniyaState has full undeclared independence and the north already declared independence.

Then you negotiate reunification. Somewhere in there before replacing hopeless FGS get rid of UN/AU troops. The biggest problem is MajeerteeniyaState and northern clan representatives bargaining with Central to Kiinya border representatives over FGS policies which can ONLY Central to Kiinya border communities. Cut them out. "New State" negotiated between communities from BadhaxleyGaalkacyo to Kiinya border

 

[Younes Osman]

@Younes Osman Sayidka killed your 'dhaqan and elders'. Look at them in the Guurti all political and money hungry, that isn't elders kkkk, those are ppl u can buy n sell like it's stock exchange, wax 'tarikh' ay ku fadhiyan ama legacy ma jiro, waa dad qaawan dheh magac sita. U don't fool sharmarke people, remember your father is his 'xaar' so what he creates is potentially mental capacity of my 'xaar'.

You worship the same 'xaar' I give abdullahi isse in HG and siyad(he took advantage of his opportunity). Please study who influenced your leaders that created you and support and always take his mentor or inspiration more serious. When I study Singapore leader, I study who inspired him sxb and who he looked up too.

Same with the communist 'Mao'. I only study 'legacy' I can see on the ground today, I don't entertain nothing that another nation won't verify in person or state level, that's wax qaawan ppl who claim ancient egypt, romans, vikings, kkkkk cuz they know their so naked and no-one in the world exists to speak for their history and they conceal it with 'WE WUZ KANGZ' AND WE WUZ NUBIANS, WE WUZ PHAROAHS, WE WUZ HEBREWS KKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Kulaha after isirki laga ridday he attaches to anything to cover the KARBASH on his awooweyaal. That will be inshallah @Teeri-Alpha people, @nomand people, and Ismacil gheele ppl, waaa iga walle in nasabka laga riddi doono. Isaaq hadu is waalo oo awalba nasabka laga ridday as they dont have common house ruler but separate waxad maqli doonta michaelki mariamo and isaaq english like jamaican english inu noqdo. I will send u back to her wallahi so that 'disgusting' isir that left no legacy loo tirtiro and at least be under the queen so she makes u jamaican english kkkkk u n eed to be new ppl, your old isir failed u, wax qaawan buu ka dhigay.

Dr Osman at the end of the day, it was my people that were fighting against each other...………………………………………….

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

@shum33 they shouldn't care at all. Lets end this miserable failed colonial project.

 

[shum33]

@AarLibaax @nomand FGS should focus its energy instead on trying to control the south. If mogadishu is going to control a region they should focus on jubbaland. Its closer to mogadishu also its a rich region,kismayo can supply the NFD,make alot of revenue for mogadishu and its a fertile land

there is an article that reports FGS is too focused trying to control its regional govs instead of focusing on security and development and that this strategy is from the USA via Yamamoto. Sometimes micro management is the way to go take things in small bites instead of trying to handle the headache that is somali society.

Somaliland has moved on and now puntland is also feed up. Both these regions have nothing to offer the south. Mogadishu alone can't hande the whole of somalia. The reason why rebellion started in the north was because it was neglected by the gov in Mogadishu. The same is bound to happen if the union stands. If it wasn't for somaliland or puntland those region would be underdeveloped, invaded,maybe misused by its neighbours,constant victims to famine e.t.c

So respect the work those two regions have done and respect their autonomy and just focus on the south untill there is an official understanding between them