Why is it so hard to understand af waqooyi

[Revolutionary]

How about the Somali diaspora dialect? Mixing English and Somali words into one like portmanteau?

Booking-ka
TV-ga
Hoover-ka (why wasn't named Vacuum-ka?)
Waan walk garayey

Somali diaspora dialect is like 1/3 non Somali.

The older generation are speaking like this while their kids are just speaking English.

I thought my family was the only one that says hoover-ka

 

[Sloane Ranger]

Even if the map is off in my opinion waqooyi is the standard somali if you turn on BBC on the somali radio now have u ever seen reporter saying saaa camal waaye nooh

You just sound ignorant now. Their is a big difference between casual convos and professional ones. Just like you won't see a waqooyi reporter yell naya and poke his finger in someones eye.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

I’m konfur and I never say nooh that’s mostly hawiye and lower jubba who speak like that

You mean reer benadiiri ? Hawiye don't have the same dialect, even abgaal don't.

 

[Royalflush]

You mean reer benadiiri ? Hawiye don't have the same dialect, even abgaal don't.

I meant abgaal or at least that’s how my abgaal neighbours and friends speak

 

[Western4Life]

I thought my family was the only one that says hoover-ka

Why a brand name though? Were Hoovers the only brand name vacuums back then?

I once heard a Djiboutian woman say pantalon-ka. It's not only English that's used.

 

[HanWER]

How about the Somali diaspora dialect? Mixing English and Somali words into one like portmanteau?

Booking-ka
TV-ga
Hoover-ka (why wasn't named Vacuum-ka?)
Waan walk garayey

Somali diaspora dialect is like 1/3 non Somali.

The older generation are speaking like this while their kids are just speaking English.

The somali language hasnt evolved with modern times thats the issue. It still stuck in 500 BC so western somalis have to mix it a little

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Every Somali regional accent is good for something and Waqooyi accent is good for ordering people around and instill fear in them. It comes out of the harshness of the environment. Both the land and the people are ragged. Move towards the southern end of Somalia and you can tell the gentle tone in the accent and softness. It is a reflection of the green and rivers snaking through the lanscape that had gentle effect on people.,

It is basically Geeljire accent vs City folk accent. Both are important accents.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

The somali language hasnt evolved with modern times thats the issue. It still stuck in 500 BC so western somalis have to mix it a little

Somali nomads would find a name for these devices. Just like the English speaking world borrowed two words to describe the the cathode tube that displays images on it aka TV.

"Tele" means "far off" in Greek, "Vision" means "something seen in the imagination". Basically, in English, this is saying "a device that transmits far off images", hence, Television. To say the word TV stands for progress is misguided because any language spoken by millions like Somali would be able to give a name to a square box showing moving and still images. I can personally name TV in Somali and my Somali language skills are not to an expert level.

 

[qalanjoqoordheer]

Af maay is the hardest, that literally is a different language with some Somali words mixed in.

It's like he's speaking backwards

 

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30% of the Somali language has Arabic words, so this isn't only exclusive to the waqooyi dialect.

Most of the Arabic loanwords in the north came from Yemen. They're close to Yemen geographically, so it's not a surprise that they picked up a few extra Arabic loanwords.

It's beed not baydh, lol. Bisad and casaan should be removed from that list.
Dooro is AF Amhaaro. Reer koonfur also call rooster for "diig" which is Arabic.

And I hate to break down this to you, but "qaaddo"(qaad=take, carry) is also Arabic.

Jeer is not akin to waqti. Waqti/time: Xilli, milay, ammin, goor etc....all in the waqooyi dialect.

Koonfur and waqooyi also have shared Hindi loanwords such as Gaadhi, rooti(although, in Burco we call it "Aabahaa-futada-ka-geli"...I'm dead serious), badhasaab(mayor, right?), laangadhe/Laangare(crippled) and many more.

Lol, there are a few Persian loanwords too like Nayruus(dabshid) and baraf(ice).

Here's where waqooyi and koonfur differ:

The Koonfur dialect borrowed many loanwords from Af Barawe and Af Bajuuni which both are Swahili dialects.

Loanwords from "Gumaysi" era
Somalia: Italian. Boorso(bag), firinjeer(fridge), farmaajo(cheese), suugo(sauce), goono(skirt), jaalle(yellow), fargeeto(fork), shukumaan(toilet) and many, many more.

SL: English. wiig(week), bilaydh(plate), koob(cup) waashmaan(watch-man), laydh(light), ruuf(roof), huufar(hoover), roog(rug) and many, many more.

Djibouti: French. ...Oui oui baguette.

In my previous post, when I said Waqooyi being the "standard" dialect I wasn't talking about loanwords, per se. All languages have loanwords so that has nothing to do with authenticity.
I was mostly referring to the grammatical structure of the dialect. The "standard" written Somali is pretty much "Af waqooyi".
Reer Waqooyi take their grammar very seriously, whilst reer Koonfur don't seem to put much importance to it, they're more lax with it.

Waan Qaadanaya - General Somali
Waan Qaadanaaya - Waqooyi/ Central Somalia/ Puntland/K5

No such thing as "general Somali". And it should be "Waan qaadanayaa"

 

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The first text is not in Af Somali, it's in the Maay language. Af Maay is a Somalized Oromo language, so it should be excluded from this discussion. Bring a proper Koonfur dialect that isn't maay, Benadari, Ashrafi etc., then we can have an actual discussion.

And yes, there are Arabic loanwords in there. Check the bolded ones.

As for the second text....Lol at the Islamic terms lol. I mean, come on, diinta, aakhiro, Islam, etc.

A teacher, someone learned=bare, buuni, adduun=if, cilmi & khibrad= aqoon, takhsuusay= bartay, fahansiiyo=garansiiyo, casri ah=just say "dambe" like "wax/alaab dambe ayaan hayaa", akhlaaq & dabecaad wanaagsan= dhaqan fiican uun iska dheh...and BOOM, I eliminated all Arabic words kkk

The extinct dialects of early Somalis
"Berisamadi hurre , waxn dafre har ya habeen, anigo gaashan dheere kujirre xoolihi anu ilaalye anso oliye nacabkega , nolosho barta haleegme "

Ba'a, ba'a!!!!

Kulaha, the af-shimbireed gibberish above is an "extinct" dialect.

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He's just making up shit as he goes. What a waste of time.

 

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So basically 4/5th of Somalia speaks waqooyi which has always been my impression. To say waqooyi is not the general af Somali is honestly laughable.

By "northern Somali dialects" they mean, I hate to use this term, but "Af Maxaa tidhi/tiri" aka the standard Somali language.

The other "dialects" are a hybrid of Af Somali and other foreign languages, so they can't exactly be called the "original" Somali. That's the distinction the map is trying to convey.

Af Somali is further divided into 4 main groups:
Galbeed(Somali region), Bari(Bari + Mudug), Waqooyi(SL + Djibouti), Koonfur(Non Af-maay/Digil/Benaadir/Ashraaf/Maay speakers. Anything south of Mudug all the way to NFD).

Here's the same map divided along clan lines.

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Some people think it's wrong or controversial to classify accents along clans lines, but I don't see the issue, imo. Most nomads back in the days kept to themselves, so it's only natural that they developed their own accents and vocabulary.

The main 4 dialects are really vague, though. For instance, as Nabiil already mentioned, Hargeisa is closer to Jigjiga than Burco. Gabiley has more in common with Awdal and Djibouti. I'm not sure about Gabiley, but reer Borama and Djibouti pronounce their double vowels, "oo" in a really distinct way. Pay attention to how they pronounce words like hooyo, jooga, doonaya etc.

And despite being reer waqooyi, "SSC" share more vocabulary with actual reer Bari than other reer Baris in SL:

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Within SL, there are two main accents, Bari and Galbeedi.
Galbeedi=Anything west of Hargeisa/Gebilay. Bari=Anything east of Burco all the way to Erigavo.

As you read from the image above. Reer Galbeeds(me included even thou I'm not from there lol) usually say "Waan doonayaa", whilst reer Bari say "Waan dooneyaa"

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Lately, I have been reading Muuse Galaal's "Stars, seasons and weather" book. Instead of 4 main dialects, he uses "7 districts". Interesting.
Jigjiga= Basically, all the huuno speakers kkk, jk. Jigjiga, Hargeisa, Borama, Djibouti ect.
Qabridaharre=Anything south of Jigjiga
Burco= Berbera all the way to Erigavo.
Qardho= Bosaaso, Garoowe etc.
Banaadir= Central/Mudug
Baydhabo= South Somalia.
Wajeer= NFD



Lunar months and moon stations in the 7 districts

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The four seasons in the 7 districts

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[GemState]

Even if the map is off in my opinion waqooyi is the standard somali if you turn on BBC on the somali radio now have u ever seen reporter saying saaa camal waaye nooh

Standard Somali is Mudug dialect, it's by far the clearest version of Somali

 

[Fratello]

"Aabahaa-futada-ka-geli"

I was shocked when I found out about that