Why I Hate ONLF

[DR OSMAN]

I have never supported ONLF post 91, I hate any ogaden with that silly idealogy. The reason is simple for me. Maxad kula hadlaysa habashi oo midaysan oo gurigisa dhisan tahay, halka kaagi ee somaliyeed sidu uu eek yahay aad og tihin. No ONLF ogaden has ever responded to me on that point.

The other reason I am against it, is why after 91 Nakba, didn't you all see centralizing all your eggs is a bad idea, the current way it's diversified is a strength not a weakness. In-fact you could use Ethiopia to Control Somalia, rather then let Ethiopians manage it who have no clue about the local culture.

I saw how you guys united Dhulbahante in Jigjiga when they were at their 'lowest' point after the baharsame/barkad war. I wonder why don't you guys hold a Jigjiga Summit for Somalia also. If u can solve their issue, Somali issues are minor in comparison.

If only Majerten was in your geopolitical situation, you would see us taking advantage and playing the Bridge role for the Horn like turkish role played for europe and asia, Turkey became massive due to that, as they were always getting ideas from the east-west due to their location advantage, which the others couldn't.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Majertens love inay meelo badan wax ka 'cunan' mentality. We would be boasting we eat with habeshi, kenya and somalia. That's why we want to reside in middle shabelle like @The Midlands did becuz we r fighting for their land.

 

[DR OSMAN]

It's you Ogadens who brought this pan-somalism to Somalia, if you guys didn't do such thing, manta 150 years later we wouldn't be stuck in this dilemma. Non-Ogaden clans have been trying to craft a system and architect sayid idealogy >>> whether it's centralism from syl, communism from siyad, federalism from SW ppl, Irirism from Hawadle. They didn't bring the philosophy but working with it only. You Ogadens are the root-cause of our problems not Siyad or SYL. It's up to you guys to solve the issue.

U have brainwashed our people into this 'paradigm' philosophy, that no-one can step outside the paradigm and must only work within it.

 

[Chase]

It's you Ogadens who brought this pan-somalism to Somalia, if you guys didn't do such thing, manta 150 years later we wouldn't be stuck in this dilemma. Non-Ogaden clans have been trying to craft a system and architect sayid idealogy >>> whether it's centralism from syl, communism from siyad, federalism from SW ppl, Irirism from Hawadle. They didn't bring the philosophy but working with it only. You Ogadens are the root-cause of our problems not Siyad or SYL. It's up to you guys to solve the issue.

Quick correction there Doc, Kenadiid was the first to start Somali Nationalism, Hobyo was a Sultunate that didn't discriminate and welcomed all the clans, way before the Sayyid.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Quick correction there Doc, Kenadiid was the first to start Somali Nationalism, Hobyo was a Sultunate that didn't discriminate and welcomed all the clans, way before the Sayyid.

Keenadiid I studied. He wanted a new sultanate only not this 'pan somalia' crap. This Pan Somali crap is rooted with Sayidka. SYL children tho did create SYL after they lost their sultanate(how convenient) but it was with Sayid philosophy, ALL SOMALIS not just 'hobyo sultanate' somalis.

 

[bidenkulaha]

No wonder you gave them up like cattle to TPLF

 

[DR OSMAN]

No wonder you gave them up like cattle to TPLF

Forget ONLF. We dumping aaran jaan into mogadishu 4 u. PL dont f*ck around with any politics oo danteena ka hor imanayo, we not like u, we dont keep our qashin, it will only hurt us but u do, u can do as u please.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Forget ONLF. We dumping aaran jaan into mogadishu 4 u. PL dont f*ck around with any politics oo danteena ka hor imanayo, we not like u, we dont keep our qashin, it will only hurt us but u do, u can do as u please.

AaranJaan is getting 5 months of salaries for their troops and gaadiid/hub from Xamar, but this is a loan. y'all have to pay it back from PL taxes when AJ take over

 

[Chase]

Keenadiid I studied. He wanted a new sultanate only not this 'pan somalia' crap. This Pan Somali crap is rooted with Sayidka. SYL children tho did create SYL after they lost their sultanate(how convenient) but it was with Sayid philosophy, ALL SOMALIS not just 'hobyo sultanate' somalis.

Kenadiid wanted a Pan-Somali Sultunate, hence why he even welcomed clans who were considered 'midgaan', he also formally requested marriage proposal (s) between the Geladi Sultunate family and his own, unfortunately the Colonialists put an end to it, he was a visionary.

 

[Abdalla]

Keenadiid I studied. He wanted a new sultanate only not this 'pan somalia' crap. This Pan Somali crap is rooted with Sayidka. SYL children tho did create SYL after they lost their sultanate(how convenient) but it was with Sayid philosophy, ALL SOMALIS not just 'hobyo sultanate' somalis.

Keenadiid had big aspirations. He was opposed to the sultanate because the boqor wanted to confine himself with the MJ territory. I think Kenadiid even wanted to unseat Said Barqash and rule Zanzibar. No other Somali had aspirations to rule non Somali lands.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Kenadiid wanted a Pan-Somali Sultunate, hence why he even welcomed clans who were considered 'midgaan', he also formally requested marriage proposal (s) between the Geladi Sultunate family and his own, unfortunately the Colonialists put an end to it, he was a visionary.

I don't see much political visionaries in PL or Somalia post sayid(150 years), I do however see a-a few architects who try to craft a system for his philosophy, various systems ranging from centralism-federalism-secession-irirism-communism. The word 'visionary' is not easy statement to throw around as a visionary creates something that didn't exist at all. Even the 'architect' pool is 'slim' but visionary is even slimmer.

 

[Step a side]

Keenadiid had big aspirations. He was opposed to the sultanate because the boqor wanted to confine himself with the MJ territory. I think Kenadiid even wanted to unseat Said Barqash and rule Zanzibar. No other Somali had aspirations to rule non Somali lands.

No “modern” Somali rulers is what you want to say. Plenty of Somali rulers ruled over non Somalis for decades in the past.

 

[Abaq]

I have never supported ONLF post 91, I hate any ogaden with that silly idealogy. The reason is simple for me. Maxad kula hadlaysa habashi oo midaysan oo gurigisa dhisan tahay, halka kaagi ee somaliyeed sidu uu eek yahay aad og tihin. No ONLF ogaden has ever responded to me on that point.

The other reason I am against it, is why after 91 Nakba, didn't you all see centralizing all your eggs is a bad idea, the current way it's diversified is a strength not a weakness. In-fact you could use Ethiopia to Control Somalia, rather then let Ethiopians manage it who have no clue about the local culture.

I saw how you guys united Dhulbahante in Jigjiga when they were at their 'lowest' point after the baharsame/barkad war. I wonder why don't you guys hold a Jigjiga Summit for Somalia also. If u can solve their issue, Somali issues are minor in comparison.

If only Majerten was in your geopolitical situation, you would see us taking advantage and playing the Bridge role for the Horn like turkish role played for europe and asia, Turkey became massive due to that, as they were always getting ideas from the east-west due to their location advantage, which the others couldn't.

You misunderstood the Ogadenia struggle. It wasn’t to unite with the failed republic, it was to create an independent Ogaden state. Ogadeni struggle pre-dates modern Somalia and Ethiopia. Simce 2017, the strategy has changed. If you see the ONLF emblem, you will notice a gun and pen. We put down the gun and picked up the pen, however, the goal remains.

And I agree with you we are all suffering from the unintended consequences of the Sayid’s invention of Somalinimo. To this day, we refuse to let go of it despite all the problems it brings

 

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Keenadiid had big aspirations. He was opposed to the sultanate because the boqor wanted to confine himself with the MJ territory. I think Kenadiid even wanted to unseat Said Barqash and rule Zanzibar. No other Somali had aspirations to rule non Somali lands.

Darood of Waamo = Spanish Settlers in South America

 

[DR OSMAN]

You misunderstood the Ogadenia struggle. It wasn’t to unite with the failed republic, it was to create an independent Ogaden state. Ogadeni struggle pre-dates modern Somalia and Ethiopia. Simce 2017, the strategy has changed. If you see the ONLF emblem, you will notice a gun and pen. We put down the gun and picked up the pen, however, the goal remains.

And I agree with you we are all suffering from the unintended consequences of the Sayid’s invention of Somalinimo. To this day, we refuse to let go of it despite all the problems it brings

When u have Somalis as supposed friends, who needs external enemies comes to mind. The amount of trouble u will encounter from Somalis ask(madoobe) makes external enemies look like angels.

 

[Abaq]

When u have Somalis as supposed friends, who needs external enemies comes to mind. The amount of trouble u will encounter from Somalis ask(madoobe) makes external enemies look like angels.

Your worst enemy is always Somali Mohamed. We Ogaden learnt that the hard way

 

[Dima&Damo]

Keenadiid was a ambitions noble man he was not content with residing in his clans home lands dude wanted all of the east he even beefed with omanis and did battles against them his name shall never die out

 

[Chase]

I don't see much political visionaries in PL or Somalia post sayid(150 years), I do however see a-a few architects who try to craft a system for his philosophy, various systems ranging from centralism-federalism-secession-irirism-communism. The word 'visionary' is not easy statement to throw around as a visionary creates something that didn't exist at all. Even the 'architect' pool is 'slim' but visionary is even slimmer.

Kenadiid was a visionary because he turned on the royal family, his very own Cismaan Maxamuud. It's remarkable a single MJ Somali family simultaneously controlled two Sultunates spanning from Bossao all the way to Cel-Buur and beyond.

Kenadiid was a visionary because he saw past the backwards archaic clannist mindset exhibited by Somalis, he valued ethics and smarts above all. It's no wonder his family produced the first Somali script, something the Colonialist factions of Britain/Italy colluded to destroy.

 

[Step a side]

Kenadiid was a visionary because he turned on the royal family, his very own Cismaan Maxamuud. It's remarkable a single MJ Somali family simultaneously controlled two Sultunates spanning from Bossao all the way to Cel-Buur and beyond.

Kenadiid was a visionary because he saw past the backwards archaic clannist mindset exhibited by Somalis, he valued ethics and smarts above all. It's no wonder his family produced the first Somali script, something the Colonialist factions of Britain/Italy colluded to destroy.

He never controlled Ceebuur.

 

[Chase]

He never controlled Ceebuur.

Uh-huh, keep telling yourself that.