Why Ethiopia’s ‘recognition’ of SL is worth nothing less than toilet paper

[Macawisley]

To be a recognised nation you have to be part of the United Nations:

There are many self declared states, Western Sahara, Taiwan, Palestine etc are modern day examples

Western Sahara is recognised by the whole African Union

State of Palestine which is recognised by the Arab League

Taiwan which is recognised only by small island nations.

Out of all these, Taiwan has a world class economy & world class passport (visa free access to USA/Europe) & has the most respect because of their superiority in the microchip industry. Yet even they don’t have recognition of a seat at the UN

Let’s be realistic & not emotional. Somaliland will never be an independent country even if Ethiopia recognises it. Because they WILLINGLY signed an act of union in 1960 which has been ratified by the Somali Parliament in 1961. If they want recognition it’s in Mogadishu & only the Somali Parliament can give it independence & reverse/dissolve Law 5 of the 1961 Act of Union

I consider Abiy & Muse actions the last kicks of a dying horse. They are both finished economically & politically and they are trying to stir up conflict in the Horn of Africa.

 

[Zak12]

To be a recognised nation you have to be part of the United Nations:

There are many self declared states, Western Sahara, Taiwan, Palestine etc are modern day examples

Western Sahara is recognised by the whole African Union

State of Palestine which is recognised by the Arab League

Taiwan which is recognised only by small island nations.

Out of all these, Taiwan has a world class economy & world class passport (visa free access to USA/Europe) & has the most respect because of their superiority in the microchip industry. Yet even they don’t have recognition of a seat at the UN

Let’s be realistic & not emotional. Somaliland will never be an independent country even if Ethiopia recognises it. Because they WILLINGLY signed an act of union in 1960 which has been ratified by the Somali Parliament in 1961. If they want recognition it’s in Mogadishu & only the Somali Parliament can give it independence & reverse/dissolve Law 5 of the 1961 Act of Union

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I consider Abiy & Muse actions the last kicks of a dying horse. They are both finished economically & politically and they are trying to stir up conflict in the Horn of Africa.

Isn't Taiwan still supported by the U.S despite not being recognized? What will happen if Ethiopia gives support to Somaliland? Can they fight on Somaliland's behalf?

 

[zeilaprime]

This would be Somalia's Kosovo. Recognized by some countries but not by the UN (wouldn't be surprised if the UAE, and Kenya follow Ethiopia's suit).

Somali politicians are too lazy and corrupt to make a plan to defend Somali sovereignty, also many of them believe in clan sovereignty over state sovereignty.

 

[Hilmaam]

recongition or not when foreign country building ports and navys on your land with no intention of leaving its disaster. Plus all those examples you listed the weaker country is not able to get recognition (Taiwan weaker than china and Palestine weaker than israel). Somaliland + Ethiopia are way stronger and can do as they please in horn of africa. They took big dump on FGS head

 

[Zak12]

recongition or not when foreign country building ports and navys on your land with no intention of leaving its disaster. Plus all those examples you listed the weaker country is not able to get recognition (Taiwan weaker than china and Palestine weaker than israel). Somaliland + Ethiopia are way stronger and can do as they please in horn of africa. They took big dump on FGS head

The difference is those countries aren't apart of another country. SL is a break away state thus is legally bounded to Somalia. I'm just curious if Ethiopia will do anything if Somalia tries to get Somaliland under its rightful control.

 

[Hilmaam]

The difference is those countries aren't apart of another country. SL is a break away state thus is legally bounded to Somalia. I'm just curious if Ethiopia will do anything if Somalia tries to get Somaliland under its rightful control.

Taiwan has always been part of china per one china policy same as hong kong which has been aborbed. Israel and palestine i agree is unique as they were basically colonized by white europeans , they are race that are very good at massacring natives and subjugation throughout world.

I dont think that will happen in our lifetime somalia is way too splintered. would puntland ever let FGS army cross its territory to bring somaliland under its heel? in my opinion no as it wants as much independence as possible from FGS (federal govt of somalia) and a weakend FGS is to its benefit. Same thing with Southwest state and jubbaland doubt they have any interest in bringing somaliland under FGS control as they could be next. they probably only worried about their region and doing whatever they want. the only states that support strong central govt is galmudug, banadir, and hirshabelle maybe SSC still remains to be seen

 

[Zak12]

Taiwan has always been part of china per one china policy same as hong kong which has been aborbed. Israel and palestine i agree is unique as they were basically colonized by white europeans , they are race that are very good at massacring natives and subjugation throughout world.

I dont think that will happen in our lifetime somalia is way too splintered. would puntland ever let FGS army cross its territory to bring somaliland under its heel? in my opinion no as it wants as much independence as possible from FGS (federal govt of somalia) and a weakend FGS is to its benefit. Same thing with Southwest state and jubbaland doubt they have any interest in bringing somaliland under FGS control as they could be next. they probably only worried about their region and doing whatever they want. the only states that support strong central govt is galmudug, banadir, and hirshabelle maybe SSC still remains to be seen

There are still plenty of unionists in Somaliland so even if the southern states have no interest, Somaliland has states that do wish to join Somalia.

 

[Hilmaam]

There are still plenty of unionists in Somaliland so even if the southern states have no interest, Somaliland has states that do wish to join Somalia.

Same thing with puntland jubbaland and southwest state. plenty who want strong central govt and free borders with no checkpoints. But all them and somali land have clear political beliefs and agendas for many leaders in a row so it’s not coincidence. Somaliland it’s independence and the other states it’s federalism with weak fgs

 

[wheel]

Its clear it will have legitimised somaliland to the point more countries will feel they can establish ties. I think Somalia should cut relations with any countries that recognises somaliland.
There's really no reason for any country to recognise somaliland anyway, unlike kosovo for example.

I think the biggest affect is the impact on relations between the somalia and ethiopia which wont be the same, and the inevitable clash with ethiopia in case somalia ever tries a military solution to settle the dispute.

 

[GaradShabeel]

The recognition aspect, which has yet to confirmed or even acknowledged by Ethiopia, is less damning than them having their military outpost as @Hilmaam mentioned.

Once they establish themselves and their navy, you can forget about Ethiopia ever leaving the sea. That’s what should be getting the most attention.

 

[Hilmaam]

The recognition aspect, which has yet to confirmed or even acknowledged by Ethiopia, is less damning than them having their military outpost as @Hilmaam mentoned.

Once they establish themselves and their navy, you can forget about Ethiopia ever leaving the sea. That’s what should be getting the most attention.

I keep checking for tweet or updates from somali region and its president cagjar. Same with all the other FMS leaders radio silence lol. the masses are upset but leaders dont seem to care.

i honestly think djibouti will be most pissed by this they control 95% of port trade with ethiopia if ethiopia is no longer paying any money and just using somaliland they are finished. Somalia will be in trouble too but we are used to the struggle and only control less than 5% of their trade

 

[GaradShabeel]

I keep checking for tweet or updates from somali region and its president cagjar. Same with all the other FMS leaders radio silence lol. the masses are upset but leaders dont seem to care.

i honestly think djibouti will be most pissed by this they control 95% of port trade with ethiopia if ethiopia is no longer paying any money and just using somaliland they are finished. Somalia will be in trouble too but we are used to the struggle and only control less than 5% of their trade

The Somali region is long gone. Right now, there’s no difference between the government in Jigjiga and the one in Addis. Don’t expect anything from Cagjar. If you see any statement from DDS, it would be the same as the PM since they belong to the same ruling party. I think people have more expectation from leaders in Somalia, since it’s an independent country.

In any case, if Djibouti ends up being affected, then I can see them colluding with Xamar to cock something up. But I still find it hard to believe that HSM and IOG had no idea after their meeting with Muuse.

 

[Zak12]

Hypothetically, how much money will Somaliland make from this? Could they really benefit from it or is it just empty promises?

 

[RiceMuncher]

Same thing with puntland jubbaland and southwest state. plenty who want strong central govt and free borders with no checkpoints. But all them and somali land have clear political beliefs and agendas for many leaders in a row so it’s not coincidence. Somaliland it’s independence and the other states it’s federalism with weak fgs

This is one of the reasons Abiye destroyed the TPLF. Once other regions in a country doesn't stand behind it's gov it's easy for a foreign entity to take advantage. But I also believe Somalia have many options if it really wants to react. We'll see what they say later today.

 

[Macawisley]

Somali politicians are too lazy and corrupt to make a plan to defend Somali sovereignty, also many of them believe in clan sovereignty over state sovereignty.

Let’s see what President Hassan Sheikh does in the coming hours

 

[Hilmaam]

This is one of the reasons Abiye destroyed the TPLF. Once other regions in a country doesn't stand behind its gov it's easy for a foreign entity to take advantage. But I also believe Somalia have many options if it really wants to react. We'll see what they say later today.

Hope this serves as wake up call to people back home we have stateless horde Oromo trying to bring us under amharic state. We cannot coexist they want to assimilate

 

[Hilmaam]

The Somali region is long gone. Right now, there’s no difference between the government in Jigjiga and the one in Addis. Don’t expect anything from Cagjar. If you see any statement from DDS, it would be the same as the PM since they belong to the same ruling party. I think people have more expectation from leaders in Somalia, since it’s an independent country.

In any case, if Djibouti ends up being affected, then I can see them colluding with Xamar to cock something up. But I still find it hard to believe that HSM and IOG had no idea after their meeting with Muuse.

It’s soon to be morning we will see soon. If the signed off on this it’s sad day

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

If Somaliland were claiming independence within Isaaq clan borders, and citing the killing of Isaaq civilians during the war against the SNM as a reason, I would be worried. Fortunately, the Isaaq have stupidly pursued independence based on the boundaries of British Somaliland. This means that recognition of Somaliland also means recognition of its claim to SSC and Awdal.

This is why no country has recognize Somaliland. It would mean the recognition of a failed state.
Somaliland is not Kosovo where 97% of the population is Albanian and all wanted secession.

Ethiopia will not recognize Somaliland. Somaliland will then refuse to allow Ethiopia to build anything, making the agreement worthless. The only thing Somaliland wants is THE ONE THING Ethiopia cannot give it.

 

[Hilmaam]

The Somali region is long gone. Right now, there’s no difference between the government in Jigjiga and the one in Addis. Don’t expect anything from Cagjar. If you see any statement from DDS, it would be the same as the PM since they belong to the same ruling party. I think people have more expectation from leaders in Somalia, since it’s an independent country.

In any case, if Djibouti ends up being affected, then I can see them colluding with Xamar to cock something up. But I still find it hard to believe that HSM and IOG had no idea after their meeting with Muuse.

Yeah FGS probably had some idea this was coming. I mean it wasnt long ago they signed defense agreemet with ethiopia. We have i think around 4500 of their troops on our soil. I think it was around 1.5 years ago when al shabab attacked into ethiopia and cagjar said he would create buffer zone. FGS doesnt have much of a leg to stand on will they cut ties and kick out these troops i doubt it.

 

[Hotchick12]

Taiwan has always been part of china per one china policy same as hong kong which has been aborbed. Israel and palestine i agree is unique as they were basically colonized by white europeans , they are race that are very good at massacring natives and subjugation throughout world.

I dont think that will happen in our lifetime somalia is way too splintered. would puntland ever let FGS army cross its territory to bring somaliland under its heel? in my opinion no as it wants as much independence as possible from FGS (federal govt of somalia) and a weakend FGS is to its benefit. Same thing with Southwest state and jubbaland doubt they have any interest in bringing somaliland under FGS control as they could be next. they probably only worried about their region and doing whatever they want. the only states that support strong central govt is galmudug, banadir, and hirshabelle maybe SSC still remains to be seen

Puntland will, once Ethiopia used those drones on SSC cuz I think that’s why bihi signed the MOU he wants SSC back in the fold and he needs weapon