Why can't we farm like the people of Arizona

[scarecrow]

So arizona is a desert just like most of somalia, and here is a guy planting apples and oranges and everything you can imagine.

He's using a sustainable drip irrigation system from a water well, he monitors how much water thats necessary depending on orchards and seasons. The water from the well is also purified. I would love to do something like this in Bari.

What is detering us from turning our semi arid land into a paradise garden?

 

[Inquisitive_]

You posted the other day how those fences were being stolen by locals.

The problem is essentially cost, the investment is far too big for the returns you will make, and in Somalia you will need to consider the cost of security on top of this to keep the criminals out.

These types of large scale projects of turning the deserts green is something only large wealthy nations can do that have plenty of spare money to spend and are already pretty self-sufficient.

 

[scarecrow]

You posted the other day how those fences were being stolen by locals.

The problem is essentially cost, the investment is far too big for the returns you will make, and in Somalia you will need to consider the cost of security on top of this to keep the criminals out.

These types of large scale projects of turning the deserts green is something only large wealthy nations can do that have plenty of spare money to spend and are already pretty self-sufficient.

Yes but if you watched the video, I don't mean bigger projects of turning the desert green, what I mean is every farmer can do what this guy can do in arizona collectively we can turn the desert green one by one.

This is by far not a large scale project but a small to medium size farm. There is plenty of land in somalia certainly free land if your moving away from bigger towns as you would do to get a good size plot.

The main costs would be equipment, irrigation pumps, well, solar panels, labour, generator, many of these are not very expensive at all. You can get these on Amazon take it to somalia if you know what you need. The cost would be the upkeep and maintenance of the farm which if you have your own well and electricity source should not be alot either.

If your producing a good yield obviously there would be market for that so a good income is very much possible. Imagine selling apples and oranges in a desert region you would have a good market. Those place import most of their food and locally sourced food would be much more affordable for them.

I don't think for a farm of his size that would amount to even 30k USD.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yes but if you watched the video, I don't mean bigger projects of turning the desert green, what I mean is every farmer can do what this guy can do in arizona collectively we can turn the desert green one by one.

This is by far not a large scale project but a small to medium size farm. There is plenty of land in somalia certainly free land if your moving away from bigger towns as you would do to get a good size plot.

The main costs would be equipment, irrigation pumps, well, solar panels, labour, generator, many of these are not very expensive at all. You can get these on Amazon take it to somalia if you know what you need. The cost would be the upkeep and maintenance of the farm which if you have your own well and electricity source should not be alot either.

If your producing a good yield obviously there would be market for that so a good income is very much possible. Imagine selling apples and oranges in a desert region you would have a good market. Those place import most of their food and locally sourced food would be much more affordable for them.

I don't think for a farm of his size that would amount to even 30k USD.

There is no free land sir in Somalia, maybe in the lesser developed tribes their maybe, but we are not 'republic' waryaa, you don't own all Somalia land and there is nothing called 'free' that is 'shuuci' thinking @Farjano-Walad I know why you hate the communist now, they think everything is theirs either because of 'economic equality' or 'social equality' merely based on that filthy somali republic idea all somalis are equal and the same to all Somalia, notice the key word 'all somalia' waa loo wada siman yahay just purely cause he is 'Somali', untill he finds a 'crazy absame or harti' dude saying 'nigga don't camp' here it's not yours and the republican is like 'I thought this was all Somalis, and the harti/absame dude r like that's just on 'paper' meaning we own your land since you don't have sultanate or aristocracy that your land reports too, u just have hordes n gallas squatting all over the place with no social structure or order to speak with, your land is free not ours, their is a damn history here boy and u better follow the ways of the king. That is monarchy culture right their and attiude without a doubt and why we always claash with republicans and the shuuci cunts that developed from them.


Somali republic was intended for the south that's why none of them ever moved towards Harti/Absame lands, their is no free land here, their ancient sultanate still here and he has full authority and u will find out how full it is when u bring that dawlad ku sheeg and try claiming the land kkkkk. Two worlds colliding the republican n monarchist and the govt doesn't represent this reality is how stupid our somali people are, thinking the sultanates are just traditions nigga their attitudes are still in the people deeply and their still have authority and their authority vs your republican govt authority is heading towards another shit fest

 

[Marquis]

Somali republic was intended for the south that's why none of them ever moved towards Harti/Absame lands, their is no free land here, their ancient sultanate still here and he has full authority and u will find out how full it is when u bring that dawlad ku sheeg and try claiming the land kkkkk. Two worlds colliding the republican n monarchist and the govt doesn't represent this reality is how stupid our somali people are, thinking the sultanates are just traditions nigga their attitudes are still in the people deeply and their still have authority and their authority vs your republican govt authority is heading towards another shit fest

The reason no one moved to your land is cause it's uninhabitable desert kkk

 

[DR OSMAN]

The reason no one moved to your land is cause it's uninhabitable desert kkk

I'll take my desert that is full of oil over your 2 dollar bananas and mangos kkkkk. Plus my coast is the most strategic coast in Somalia as it sits between indian/red sea, I can stop anything and anyone heading south to you and going into and out of 'red sea'. The amount of maritime traffic thru my area and your little afgoye 2 dollar farms is not going to make you an international priority, plus your coast line is way down the south and heading towards nowhere important today. Your not a real strategic area for the world, that's probably why u got nothing to speak to them with. What u going to speak to them with 10,000 SQ KM of 'farm land and river' like their is short supply of that in the world and your the only one who has it, I am the only who has my strategic location that's why I am special, it's rare nigga and u know it, and nothing is rare about your brown river and 10,000 SQ KM farms. I own far more plush fields anyways in jubbada then your shitty afgoye as if that's a competition plus two 'islands' hafun n bajuni as extra spoils of dhaxal from my awooweyaal.

I will continue the dhaxal culture in PL to ensure each generation leaves behind something of worth so our kids can continue terrorising your fat niiko bun iyo ambuulo eating xaa cun ass

 

[Quruxley]

Somalis are lazy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farjano-Walad @SomaliMVP are subjects of the house of tanade and absame kingdoms and are like this right now on your destruction. MJ/Abgaal partnership everyone knows who the 'dameer' is at all times, wax qarsoon ma aha kkkk

@kobe take the L waryaa u re-hash the same southy line 'PL is desert' their has been no knowledge added to you for decades as PL is upgrading it's knowledge base to respond to your charge while also throwin a god damn bm 21 missile at u.

@Boqorada Soomaaliya I am Somali citizen by force but a majerten sultanate subject by choice, never forget that, your republic nonsense came thru lots of blood-shed between absame-harti over the sayid kkkk which was about covering your futo with somali. Its time declare monarchy head of state and govt that falls under the monarchy, so we can have dual majerten subjects and somali citizenry where i exercise my citizen rights in the south and read you the sultanate jurisdiction kkkkk up north

 

[Abdalla]

It's because of lack of land-reforms, land needs to be sold to private owners. If it is a public good nobody will care for it, if it's privately owned, they'll cherish it and invest in it.


This was an eye opening documentary. They enclosed a large chunk of land as a private grazing land and the results were incredible within few months. However due to our complicated clan structure, this isn't possible. Giving away a 50km by 50km piece of land will raise conflicts to the residing clans

What they could do is, eclose much large chunk of land for 6 months of the year and prohibit it from grazing so the soil can heal. I am sure we can see remarkeble results.

 

[QueenofKings]

So arizona is a desert just like most of somalia, and here is a guy planting apples and oranges and everything you can imagine.

He's using a sustainable drip irrigation system from a water well, he monitors how much water thats necessary depending on orchards and seasons. The water from the well is also purified. I would love to do something like this in Bari.

What is detering us from turning our semi arid land into a paradise garden?

These projects are really interesting. And I think it would transform our nation. But the locals mostly lack the knowledge and diaspora perhaps do not see it as a worthwhile investment.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

So arizona is a desert just like most of somalia, and here is a guy planting apples and oranges and everything you can imagine.

He's using a sustainable drip irrigation system from a water well, he monitors how much water thats necessary depending on orchards and seasons. The water from the well is also purified. I would love to do something like this in Bari.

What is detering us from turning our semi arid land into a paradise garden?

for one your talking about the most subsidised farmers on earth, American farmers, even bigger than the CAP in the EU

secondly good infrastructure, water, electricity already massive investment, we start from scratch

330 million internal size market where imports are taxed with tariffs, barriers, quotas etc

safe, no one robs him, no moryaan, no corrupt politicians taking his land , thus safe to make him feel like he can borrow and invest in this venture -whey invest in africa when the presidents son or nephew can rob you and then arrest you

unstable state/governance, small market where they do not eat apples, prefer bananas, thus educating the consumer, moryaans everywhere robbing you, sparoo, why bother when you can lose your life savings?

 

[scarecrow]

There is no free land sir in Somalia, maybe in the lesser developed tribes their maybe, but we are not 'republic' waryaa, you don't own all Somalia land and there is nothing called 'free' that is 'shuuci' thinking @Farjano-Walad I know why you hate the communist now, they think everything is theirs either because of 'economic equality' or 'social equality' merely based on that filthy somali republic idea all somalis are equal and the same to all Somalia, notice the key word 'all somalia' waa loo wada siman yahay just purely cause he is 'Somali', untill he finds a 'crazy absame or harti' dude saying 'nigga don't camp' here it's not yours and the republican is like 'I thought this was all Somalis, and the harti/absame dude r like that's just on 'paper' meaning we own your land since you don't have sultanate or aristocracy that your land reports too, u just have hordes n gallas squatting all over the place with no social structure or order to speak with, your land is free not ours, their is a damn history here boy and u better follow the ways of the king. That is monarchy culture right their and attiude without a doubt and why we always claash with republicans and the shuuci cunts that developed from them.


Somali republic was intended for the south that's why none of them ever moved towards Harti/Absame lands, their is no free land here, their ancient sultanate still here and he has full authority and u will find out how full it is when u bring that dawlad ku sheeg and try claiming the land kkkkk. Two worlds colliding the republican n monarchist and the govt doesn't represent this reality is how stupid our somali people are, thinking the sultanates are just traditions nigga their attitudes are still in the people deeply and their still have authority and their authority vs your republican govt authority is heading towards another shit fest

Somalia is vastly empty semi-arid desert, just check on google or fly over the place its sparsely populated hardly any villages for miles upon miles. Therefore if you move away from major towns lets say 15- 20 KM you should find yourself a large plot and turn that into a green oasis. I'm not saying anybody can go and do this in any part of Somalia, obviously it would be safer to do this in your qabil territory. nobody can stop me from claiming large chunks of land in the surrounding areas of Qardho if it doesnt belong to anyone else that is.

The reason no one moved to your land is cause it's uninhabitable desert kkk

85% percent of the country is semi desert not just PL the most fertile and green regions still have security issues.

It's because of lack of land-reforms, land needs to be sold to private owners. If it is a public good nobody will care for it, if it's privately owned, they'll cherish it and invest in it.


This was an eye opening documentary. They enclosed a large chunk of land as a private grazing land and the results were incredible within few months. However due to our complicated clan structure, this isn't possible. Giving away a 50km by 50km piece of land will raise conflicts to the residing clans

What they could do is, eclose much large chunk of land for 6 months of the year and prohibit it from grazing so the soil can heal. I am sure we can see remarkeble results.

Then take 50km by 50km in your qabil territory and turn that into a farm like the ones in Arizona. If everyone does that in their respective regions collectively it would be extraordinary.

These projects are really interesting. And I think it would transform our nation. But the locals mostly lack the knowledge and diaspora perhaps do not see it as a worthwhile investment.

I would tend to agree about the lack of knowledge but I also think laziness is a big issue with somalis. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to watch or read what others are doing on Youtube etc and self learn. Diaspora are not creative enough its copy cat culture of only building hotels. We need unconventional creative businesses that's where the real change will come from.

 

[scarecrow]

for one your talking about the most subsidised farmers on earth, American farmers, even bigger than the CAP in the EU

secondly good infrastructure, water, electricity already massive investment, we start from scratch

330 million internal size market where imports are taxed with tariffs, barriers, quotas etc

safe, no one robs him, no moryaan, no corrupt politicians taking his land , thus safe to make him feel like he can borrow and invest in this venture -whey invest in africa when the presidents son or nephew can rob you and then arrest you

unstable state/governance, small market where they do not eat apples, prefer bananas, thus educating the consumer, moryaans everywhere robbing you, sparoo, why bother when you can lose your life savings?

These types of farms in Arizona are not your usual US mainstream farmers, they're regular folks buying up land in the Arizona desert. I guess because its cheaper there and starting a type of off-grid, self reliant sustainable living farm. So no I don't think they're subsidized farmers at all, in this particular video this guy was a banker who left the profession to pursue his dream.

Why should lack of good infrastructure be a hindrance? if you watch the video the farm is in the middle of nowhere they get water from a well just like in rural Somalia and electricity from solar not expensive at all.

As for the safety issue, then that depends entirely where your likely to set up your farm, most people should be safe in their qabil regions. I don't know what you've been reading but its not the 1990s the place has changed since mooryanism.

One advice go visit the place don't just go by what you read or hear you have a rather cynical view of the place.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

These types of farms in Arizona are not your usual US mainstream farmers, they're regular folks buying up land in the Arizona desert. I guess because its cheaper there and starting a type of off-grid, self reliant sustainable living farm. So no I don't think they're subsidized farmers at all, in this particular video this guy was a banker who left the profession to pursue his dream.

Why should lack of good infrastructure be a hindrance? if you watch the video the farm is in the middle of nowhere they get water from a well just like in rural Somalia and electricity from solar not expensive at all.

As for the safety issue, then that depends entirely where your likely to set up your farm, most people should be safe in their qabil regions. I don't know what you've been reading but its not the 1990s the place has changed since mooryanism.

One advice go visit the place don't just go by what you read or hear you have a rather cynical view of the place.

Farmers got more than $22 billion in government payments in 2019. It's the highest level of farm subsidies in 14 years. In 2019, the federal government delivered an extraordinary financial aid package to America's farmers.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

These types of farms in Arizona are not your usual US mainstream farmers, they're regular folks buying up land in the Arizona desert. I guess because its cheaper there and starting a type of off-grid, self reliant sustainable living farm. So no I don't think they're subsidized farmers at all, in this particular video this guy was a banker who left the profession to pursue his dream.

Why should lack of good infrastructure be a hindrance? if you watch the video the farm is in the middle of nowhere they get water from a well just like in rural Somalia and electricity from solar not expensive at all.

As for the safety issue, then that depends entirely where your likely to set up your farm, most people should be safe in their qabil regions. I don't know what you've been reading but its not the 1990s the place has changed since mooryanism.

One advice go visit the place don't just go by what you read or hear you have a rather cynical view of the place.

Subtotal, Farming Subsidies in Arizona, 1995-2020‡
Subsidy Recipients 1 to 20 of 10,762
Recipients of Subtotal, Farming Subsidies from farms in Arizona totaled $1,481,000,000 in from 1995-2020‡.

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

farm.ewg.org

 

[Farjano-Walad]

These types of farms in Arizona are not your usual US mainstream farmers, they're regular folks buying up land in the Arizona desert. I guess because its cheaper there and starting a type of off-grid, self reliant sustainable living farm. So no I don't think they're subsidized farmers at all, in this particular video this guy was a banker who left the profession to pursue his dream.

Why should lack of good infrastructure be a hindrance? if you watch the video the farm is in the middle of nowhere they get water from a well just like in rural Somalia and electricity from solar not expensive at all.

As for the safety issue, then that depends entirely where your likely to set up your farm, most people should be safe in their qabil regions. I don't know what you've been reading but its not the 1990s the place has changed since mooryanism.

One advice go visit the place don't just go by what you read or hear you have a rather cynical view of the place.

take it from me as an economist who knows this stuff and has done research,

farmers in the western world are the most spoiled, they get massive financially and tariff support, then they get to dump their goods in African markets, so a farmer in Africa making or produce say a kilo of wheat for 80 cents cannot compete with a heavily subsidised farmer with US and EU tax payers money where they get to sell it for say 40 cents a kilo for example,

so tell me why i would buy from you in kismayo or garowe for 80 cents a kilo when i can buy it for 40 cents and thus save 50%? why should i pay twice as much as a farmer who is cheaper than you?

how many times have you seen French farmers destroy millions of gallons of cheese, milk, chicken, beef, US farmers culling animals just to increase prices? its because the state subsides them so much they over produce as they get paid per unit by the state

this is actually really good, if a farmer is making things so much cheaper than your national farmers, why bother as consumer will choose the cheaper one, and if you force tariffs then it means you are forcing me to pay double for a national farmer when i can buy it cheaper, which means i have less disposable income for my family/kids etc

so why fight it and instead be like china, japan, Germany, buy farming products from the cheapest producer but focus on manufacturing superior high ends goods -cars, planes, technology, and service sector,

farming is not that profitable, why waste so much resources when you cannot really compete and trade with these farmers by selling them the expensive high tech machinery they need to farm, the drones, the technology, engineering genius and science that makes farmers more productive?

lets think outside the box and think like an Austrian economist

if your asking me to be taxed so the money can be gibing to a inefficient farmer, then come out and say it, but the question how much will it cost, supporting farmers is not cheap and costs the consumer and the tax payer dearly for the privilege of subsiding a few rich men- yes sadly most farms in America and EU are now owned by the super rich thanks to the massive state subsidies, meaning small ones have been pushed out as the amount of state largess depends on how big your farm is

Farm Subsidies Are Corporate Welfare — And They Cost Us Plenty | Paul Boyce

The federal government spends more than $20 billion a year on subsidies for farm businesses. About 39 percent of the nation's 2.1 million farms receive subsidies, with the lion's share of the handouts going to the largest producers of corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, and rice.

mises.org

 

[Farjano-Walad]

The Problem with Africa's Protectionism | Germinal G. Van

During the postcolonial period, most of the African countries which had opted for socialism as their economic system also adopted protectionism as an economic measure to favor certain politically preferred industries.

mises.org

 

[Royalflush]

What’s the incentive for farming in Somalia apart from domestic consumption, which requires a distribution network, so unless your gonna feed your qabiil is it really worth it.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

These types of farms in Arizona are not your usual US mainstream farmers, they're regular folks buying up land in the Arizona desert. I guess because its cheaper there and starting a type of off-grid, self reliant sustainable living farm. So no I don't think they're subsidized farmers at all, in this particular video this guy was a banker who left the profession to pursue his dream.

Why should lack of good infrastructure be a hindrance? if you watch the video the farm is in the middle of nowhere they get water from a well just like in rural Somalia and electricity from solar not expensive at all.

As for the safety issue, then that depends entirely where your likely to set up your farm, most people should be safe in their qabil regions. I don't know what you've been reading but its not the 1990s the place has changed since mooryanism.

One advice go visit the place don't just go by what you read or hear you have a rather cynical view of the place.

i have visited the place sxb, maybe puntland is safe, but its relatively dry, forget somaliland, super dry, i have been there,

no in the bread basket farming regions, i dont know if you forget but its teeming with all types of evil, then when you come to xamar port to export good luck, hawiye will extort you if they dont kill you first for being darood,

if your willing to give your pound of flesh in the south to the moryaans, sure, but will you be profitable against brazil and US and Russia that are far cheaper and more productive and more stable than you?

the north is safe but desert and lacks easily cheap water surces, the south is a mayham

perhabs your just too idealistic,

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

I'll take my desert that is full of oil over your 2 dollar bananas and mangos kkkkk. Plus my coast is the most strategic coast in Somalia as it sits between indian/red sea, I can stop anything and anyone heading south to you and going into and out of 'red sea'. The amount of maritime traffic thru my area and your little afgoye 2 dollar farms is not going to make you an international priority, plus your coast line is way down the south and heading towards nowhere important today. Your not a real strategic area for the world, that's probably why u got nothing to speak to them with. What u going to speak to them with 10,000 SQ KM of 'farm land and river' like their is short supply of that in the world and your the only one who has it, I am the only who has my strategic location that's why I am special, it's rare nigga and u know it, and nothing is rare about your brown river and 10,000 SQ KM farms. I own far more plush fields anyways in jubbada then your shitty afgoye as if that's a competition plus two 'islands' hafun n bajuni as extra spoils of dhaxal from my awooweyaal.

I will continue the dhaxal culture in PL to ensure each generation leaves behind something of worth so our kids can continue terrorising your fat niiko bun iyo ambuulo eating xaa cun ass

Woah woah relax bro