What is your diet like?

red meat was classified as a carcinogen by the WHO

chicken is a good choice

fish can only be eaten a few times during the week depending on the mercury levels.

You can pretty much get all the benefits from eating plant based foods that meat provides.


FYI I'm still an omnivore who eats meat. I have just been reducing my meat intake slowly . Vegetarian is the long term goal for me. 100% plant based or vegan is tough for me personally.
Start by making one vegetarian dish every week then it will become easy to incorporate it 2-3x into the week.

my families like these ones I make a lot for my family
Baked cauliflower wings, lemon potatoes, caesar salad, potato curry. There are sooo many good 🌱 dishes. Once you discover the ones you like you’ll be eating vegetarian a few times a week and wont miss chicken or seafood.
 

JohnCena

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Don't go vegetarian for an indefinite period. Consider what your ancestors ate. This was the advice that one of my university professors gave me. I think vegetarianism is fine for a period but not forever.

I recall reading that the Massai went through a dietary transition and started to have increased chronic health conditions (heart disease, cardiovascular disease) from eating a diet high in carbs and low in saturated fats. Check out this article (below). Bear in mind I know Somalis do not drink blood and it's against our faith (though it was practiced by the North Cushitic Beja at some point). However, one should keep in mind that old-school Somalis had more limited grain consumption than they do today, and likely didn't eat wheat, favouring other grains and subsisting off dairy and animal products. I'm referring to what I believe was their non-urbanized diet. In fact, it is believed that the Somali diet consisted exclusively of meat and milk before the introduction of grain. It's indicative of older Somali phrases such as:

Waa taan cad iyo caano waaye
Let ‘the unknown” deny me meat and milk [Not a direct translation]

This phrase was often uttered prior to the overuse of the term wallahi. It essentially means my word is my bond.

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This article is about comparing populations who ate meat and plants against populations who only strictly ate refined carbs.




"Nutrient category most strongly associated with negative health outcomes – especially obesity and diabetes – was sugar (increased 600–650% in Yemenite Jews and Tokelauans) and refined carbohydrates (among Maasai, total carbohydrates increased 39% in men and 362% in women), while increased calories was less strongly associated with these disorders. Across 11 populations, NCDs were associated with increased refined carbohydrates more than increased calories, reduced activity or other factors, but cannot be attributed to SFA or total fat consumption."


Of course a diet made up of refined carbs is incredibly bad for you. It doesn't show anything about populations that strictly ate meat vs strictly ate vegetarian

Meanwhile,


According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than meat eaters. Vegetarians also tend to have a lower body mass index, lower overall cancer rates and lower risk of chronic disease.
 
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This article is about comparing populations who ate meat and plants against populations who only strictly ate refined carbs.




"Nutrient category most strongly associated with negative health outcomes – especially obesity and diabetes – was sugar (increased 600–650% in Yemenite Jews and Tokelauans) and refined carbohydrates (among Maasai, total carbohydrates increased 39% in men and 362% in women), while increased calories was less strongly associated with these disorders. Across 11 populations, NCDs were associated with increased refined carbohydrates more than increased calories, reduced activity or other factors, but cannot be attributed to SFA or total fat consumption."


Of course a diet made up of refined carbs is incredibly bad for you. It doesn't show anything about populations that strictly ate meat vs strictly ate vegetarian

Have you read the excerpt I posted about a dietary transition from high SFA to high carb not being so favourable for the Maasai? I don't think you read it.

You are free to consume whatever you like. I don't believe in demonizing SFAs, especially those from animal sources. Nor do I agree with a one-size fits all approach to diet, but as someone that personally knows long-term vegetarians. They start strong, but some don't do so well years later. So if it works for you, that's cool.

I'm also highly skeptical of certain food-based recommendations made by the WHO. They are far from tailored, more global, and less culturally competent. I'm not fond of their demonizing animal products (especially cows b/c of methane gas/greenhouse emissions) either. I'm also a critic of Agenda 2030 and SDGs (that see a problem with meat consumption). Also not a fan of Gate's owned Beyond Beef. And consider his ilk, who are huge CO2 felons that wish to eat wagyu beef while expecting commoners to eat their plant-based often GMOs or bugs as an animal-protein alternative, highly problematic. And I believe that seed-based oils are pro-inflammatory for some people. My approach to living is if it works, continue. If not, pivot.
 

Sophisticate

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This article is about comparing populations who ate meat and plants against populations who only strictly ate refined carbs.




"Nutrient category most strongly associated with negative health outcomes – especially obesity and diabetes – was sugar (increased 600–650% in Yemenite Jews and Tokelauans) and refined carbohydrates (among Maasai, total carbohydrates increased 39% in men and 362% in women), while increased calories was less strongly associated with these disorders. Across 11 populations, NCDs were associated with increased refined carbohydrates more than increased calories, reduced activity or other factors, but cannot be attributed to SFA or total fat consumption."


Of course a diet made up of refined carbs is incredibly bad for you. It doesn't show anything about populations that strictly ate meat vs strictly ate vegetarian

Meanwhile,


According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than meat eaters. Vegetarians also tend to have a lower body mass index, lower overall cancer rates and lower risk of chronic disease.

I should preface that I know some people that haven't done so well on long-term veganism or vegetarianism. The operative word is some. And I don't know about how one would fair 10-20 years down the road. As I said, we don't all respond the same to food. And it's nice to shop around and see how we feel. That's a good barometer.

As for myself I'm a meat eater and don't appear to have chronic diseases. And I'm thinner and in better shape than the average with great labs. So I prefer living proof over your excerpt. Bear in mind, that in my case, my carb intake is low. I do not consume any seed-based oils or refined sugars. And someone that fits my profile would likely be excluded/unrepresented in those studies.
 

Sophisticate

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i have a question about legumes, people have been eating them for thousands of years and were fine, is it the legumes in modern day which are bad, or is it the additional estrogen mimicking hormones on top of the already excessive amount which stops you from eating it
Legumes are ok if there is nothing around but they can cause gastrointestinal issues in some.
 

JohnCena

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Have you read the excerpt I posted about a dietary transition from high SFA to high carb not being so favourable for the Maasai? I don't think you read it.

You are free to consume whatever you like. I don't believe in demonizing SFAs, especially those from animal sources. Nor do I agree with a one-size fits all approach to diet, but as someone that personally knows long-term vegetarians. They start strong, but some don't do so well years later. So if it works for you, that's cool.

I'm also highly skeptical of certain food-based recommendations made by the WHO. They are far from tailored, more global, and less culturally competent. I'm not fond of their demonizing animal products (especially cows b/c of methane gas/greenhouse emissions) either. I'm also a critic of Agenda 2030 and SDGs (that see a problem with meat consumption). Also not a fan of Gate's owned Beyond Beef. And consider his ilk, who are huge CO2 felons that wish to eat wagyu beef while expecting commoners to eat their plant-based often GMOs or bugs as an animal-protein alternative, highly problematic. And I believe that seed-based oils are pro-inflammatory for some people. My approach to living is if it works, continue. If not, pivot.
I didn't read that part, I just read the conclusion. It still shows that the diet filled with refined carbs and lack of activity is the primary cause of higher bmi and the other health issues.

Quality of food is important and they weren't getting quality plant based foods especially protein based food choices like beans/tofu/soy/nuts.



The Okinawans actually ate a healthy version of what the Maasai ate and they have the highest life expectancy in the world.

For every 100,000 inhabitants, Okinawa has 68 centenarians – more than three times the numbers found in US populations of the same size. Even by the standards of Japan, Okinawans are remarkable, with a 40% greater chance of living to 100 than other Japanese people.Jan 16, 2019

Refined carbs and lack of activity is pretty much the reason why they got more health issues.





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Assuming you're hitting your micros/macros, a plant based diet is generally better than a meat based diet if done right.
 

JohnCena

PROFESSIONAL SHITPOSTER
I should preface that I know some people that haven't done so well on long-term veganism or vegetarianism. The operative word is some. And I don't know about how one would fair 10-20 years down the road. As I said, we don't all respond the same to food. And it's nice to shop around and see how we feel. That's a good barometer.

As for myself I'm a meat eater and don't appear to have chronic diseases. And I'm thinner and in better shape than the average with great labs. So I prefer living proof over your excerpt. Bear in mind, that in my case, my carb intake is low. I do not consume any seed-based oils or refined sugars. And someone that fits my profile would likely be excluded/unrepresented in those studies.


"As I said, we don't all respond the same to food. And it's nice to shop around and see how we feel. That's a good barometer."

I 100% agree with this part

I do believe certain people are allergic and have intolerances to certain foods so a vegan diet so it can't be really used effectively. I do maintain the belief that if a person doesn't have intolerances/allergies, a vegan/vegetarian diet done correctly is the most optimal diet.

I guess at the end of the day its just preference, but I will say I do feel better limiting meat products. It's also better for the environment.
 

JohnCena

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Start by making one vegetarian dish every week then it will become easy to incorporate it 2-3x into the week.

my families like these ones I make a lot for my family
Baked cauliflower wings, lemon potatoes, caesar salad, potato curry. There are sooo many good 🌱 dishes. Once you discover the ones you like you’ll be eating vegetarian a few times a week and wont miss chicken or seafood.
how do you feel since reducing your meat intake?

Thanks again for the videos. My cooking game is weak asf, but I will do my best to cook more often
 
Used to be vegan, also the time when I had the clearest skin. Was also raw vegan but stopped because it requires great dedication beyond my capabilities. Tried the ketogenic diet, lost so much weight but had extremely bad cholesterol, I think I was having too much sodium from the meat. Now I’m just doing HCLF.
Honestly, If you live in America, you always have to be on some sort of diet or you’ll be FAT.
 
Half the time I overeat, half the time I undereat. It balances itself out.
I’ve been adding in more beans, cutting out rice and drinking more water recently
 

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Every meal, I have protein, good fat and carbs.

I snack on protein or good fat with high/ moderate protein along side with fruit or veggies eg carrots or capsicum.

For beverage I drink water, iced/hot coffee and tea.
For dessert, I have ice cream/frozen yogurt or smoothie.


i do indulge in sweet and junk food but only if I’m craving for it.
 
how do you feel since reducing your meat intake?

Thanks again for the videos. My cooking game is weak asf, but I will do my best to cook more often
Not as sluggish. Before I was eating meat/seafood twice a day for lunch and dinner. I would get itis and feel tired after my meals. Now I don’t feel like I want to nap after my meals but that’s also because I upped my fruit and veggie intake.
 

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I find most people nowadays eat unhealthy, and if they do eat "healthy" they attach to some diet regime extremely and end up depriving themselves of nutrients.
Also people eat too much when Islamically we should only eat as much as we need to stand up.


I have maintained the same weight for over 20 years. Extreme dieting, skipping meals. My face has chiseled jaws for some reason
 

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