What ethnic groups went from majority pastoral to other lifestyles such as farming, fishing etc

[Macalin dheerow]

Really curious of how many ethnic groups started as pastoral but gradually switched lifestyles. Somalia is majority pastoral with most people being rural.

In the coming years a lot of pastoral people will change their lifestyles so it would be interesting to see if other ethnic groups have transitioned


Read somewhere that cadaan people were first pastoral, keeping goats and sheep. If thats true then there must be others also.

 

[Shimbiris]

Read somewhere that cadaan people were first pastoral, keeping goats and sheep. If thats true then there must be others also.

It's more that they are the descendants of pastoralists and agro-pastoralists who intermixed with settled farmers during the middle to late bronze-age. Those pastoralists didn't seem truly cadaan, though. More like ancient Eurasian mixes (ANE + WHG + ancient MENA) whose skin-tone would have been more olive and whose hair and eyes were mostly dark though some of their predecessors had light eyes and hair among them. These guys mixed with Middle-Eastern farmers from Anatolia who at that point had overrun and come to dominate Europe and the intermixture with them created later Indo-European cultures like Germanics, Slavs, Celts and so forth who were mostly settled farmer folk like the previous Anatolian Farmers whom they trace at least half of their ancestry to if memory serves me right, though their Y-DNA, languages and a lot of their culture like their mythologies was owed to those horse-riding, steppe pastoralists of the Bronze-Age.

And I can't think of any examples right now. All the examples I know of are pre-modern or early-modern like how the European steppe was shifted over to agriculture over the last few centuries but, if I'm not mistaken, that didn't really so much involve settling the nomads there previously as just slowly pushing them out in favor of settled Slavic farmers.

 

[Macalin dheerow]

It's more that they are the descendants of pastoralists and agro-pastoralists who intermixed with settled farmers during the middle to late bronze-age. Those pastoralists didn't seem truly cadaan, though. More like ancient Eurasian mixes (ANE + WHG + ancient MENA) whose skin-tone would have been more olive and whose hair and eyes were mostly dark though some of their predecessors had light eyes and hair among them. These guys mixed with Middle-Eastern farmers from Anatolia who at that point had overrun and come to dominate Europe and the intermixture with them created later Indo-European cultures like Germanics, Slavs, Celts and so forth who were mostly settled farmer folk like the previous Anatolian Farmers whom they trace at least half of their ancestry to if memory serves me right, though their Y-DNA, languages and a lot of their culture like their mythologies was owed to those horse-riding, steppe pastoralists of the Bronze-Age.

And I can't think of any examples right now. All the examples I know of are pre-modern or early-modern like how the European steppe was shifted over to agriculture over the last few centuries but, if I'm not mistaken, that didn't really so much involve settling the nomads there previously as just slowly pushing them out in favor of settled Slavic farmers.

Can you tell me more about the groups who shifted no matter the time period. There is a lesson to be learned in history, especially for us somalis.

 

[Ahmed Ato]

Animals can be raised without needing to be nomads. This lifestyle need to change.

 

[Shimbiris]

Can you tell me more about the groups who shifted no matter the time period. There is a lesson to be learned in history, especially for us somalis.

Only things that are coming to mind right now are just other majority nomadic to agro-pastoral groups like the Central Asian nomads and Khaleejis but they didn't really get heavily shifted into farming and are just becoming more and more urbanized which is largely what's happening with Somalis too. Eventually most Somalis will be reer magaal rather than rural. And what will likely and hopefully happen is just that pastoralists, agro-pastoralists and traditional farmers will be turned into modern ranchers and farmers.

Animals can be raised without needing to be nomads. This lifestyle need to change.

If we had the funds I'd love to approach every nomadic family, give them at least 5-10 hectares of land, a choice of one medium sized herd each between:

• Camels & Cattle
• Goats & Sheep

With poultry animals (chickens, ducks, geese and quails) and crops of their choice and that are also the most appropriate for where they live in Somaliweyn on top of then giving them a simple, livable, as off-grid as possible prefab farmhouse and teach them organic, regenerative agricultural techniques so they can heal and green up the land while they grow and rear whatever it is they're growing and rearing. Would be incredible for the country if someone could funnel all of this corrupt "NGO" money into something useful like this.

 

[Ahmed Ato]

Only things that are coming to mind right now are just other majority nomadic to agro-pastoral groups like the Central Asian nomads and Khaleejis but they didn't really get heavily shifted into farming and are just becoming more and more urbanized which is largely what's happening with Somalis too. Eventually most Somalis will be reer magaal rather than rural. And what will likely and hopefully happen is just that pastoralists, agro-pastoralists and traditional farmers will be turned into modern ranchers and farmers.



If we had the funds I'd love to approach every nomadic family, give them at least 5-10 hectares of land, a choice of one medium sized herd each between:

• Camels & Cattle
• Goats & Sheep

With poultry animals (chickens, ducks, geese and quails) and crops of their choice and that are also the most appropriate for where they live in Somaliweyn on top of then giving them a simple, livable, as off-grid as possible prefab farmhouse and teach them organic, regenerative agricultural techniques so they can heal and green up the land while they grow and rear whatever it is they're growing and rearing. Would be incredible for the country if someone could funnel all of this corrupt "NGO" money into something useful like this.

I think private grazing or ranch is better but dividing the grazing land is the problem since all the people in that area use the land.

 

[Molotoff]

The first ones that come to mind are the Hungarians.

They were pastoralists from the Central Asian steppes that settled in Central Europe.