Waaq = Ra ?

Waaq, Wagar and Eebe are the names floating around about our pre-Islamic deities. Also Xuur whos really more of an angle/messenger type.

Waaq was associated with Dab-Shid or the Fire Lighting / Bonfire. It was at the beginning of the year for Somalis which was before the first rain Gu. The second one Deyr was more important as it was more localized down south so we had to go to it rather than it coming to us like Gu. That's where the Intertropical Convergence Zone would hit

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"The Gu rain season starts as early as the second half of March. Precipitation intensifies in April across the country, except for the north-eastern coastline which receives the least amount of rainfall during this season. In June, rainfall starts to reduce in most parts of Somalia. The southern coastline continues to receive little rainfall. Significant rains occur in July through August. The second rainy season (Deyr) is characterized by a shorter duration and less amounts of precipitation in the months of October to the end of November." - UN Climate change website.

That is important because before the first rain we would sight the astrological sign of the "Big Dipper" which we called Xiddiga Hal Toddobaaddo (Seven and 1 Star).

Which looks like either a big dipper or an animal with a tail perhaps a cow or a bear.

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The Second Rain we sighted the astrological sign of .... the Southern Crux(cross)

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Now etymologically Waaq might've been a bit too hard to say so they could've just dropped the Q. Waa sounds far too similar to Ra. Xuur sounds way too similar to Horus.

And Eebe is more interesting! Funny enough the Jews have a process called "Shaming the Name". When they defeated the Canaanites they shamed the god Baal and exalted YHWH by literally changing words that sounded similar to Baal. I think something very similar happened to us After Islam. Where exalting Eebe with a southern cross idolatry became pretty shameful. Especially as Somali scholars returned from Cairo later on and other areas where the Cross was more visible and associated with Christianity. Nowadays Eebe means .. well Shame!

Of course not to forget Wagar! Which Sada Mire even mentions its associations with fertility. Now there's a lot of phallic objects around not just AwBarkhadle site but also with Oromos taking wee-wees in battle and wearing it on their foreheads. Maybe Egyptian Ankh is really just a PIV scene with the top looking like a vagina and the long phallic object crossing a "threshold" along the cross.

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Last but not least Xuur! Which was an angle (of death maybe?) and associated with a large bird.


This morphs into the Osiris Myth that transforms the Waaq/Wagar/Eebe/Xuur characters into Osiris/Isis/Horus/Seth(maybe Geb?)

Which of course inspired and informed the Greeks myth of Uranus/Gaia/Cronus and later Cronus/Gaia/Zeus.

Which of courses informs a man named Saul/Paul in the first century. Who welded Judaism with Greco-Egyptian-Somali folklore that explained the astrological, meteorological and theological systems early humans were weaving in East Africa/North Africa/Fertile Crescent and how they might have come about. Of course Jesus/Yeshua was a historical person but this brings the Trinity and "Dying for your sins and resurrecting" thing into question for some people (Christians who will hate us eternally).


Proof #1; Records of Egyptians referring to Punt as Brbrta which Greeks, Persians and even Chinese used in preislamic times to refer to Somalis as a whole because of the city of Berbera.

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Proof #2; Secretary Bird
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Proof #3; Use of Frankincense in religious rites
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Proof #4; Donkeys, camels, and chickens

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To start this thread off i have just one question. What do you think these two symbols might mean in the Las Geel paintings?

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I was thinking man extending his hands out like a cross to represent “the second coming” of rain with the cow representing the first rain Waaq/Waqar with this being the first image of Hathor/Horus or should I say Jesus and his mother istaqfuralla.
 
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I feel like the last one is a may animal that may be extinct. It looks like a cow.

Walaal this is such an interesting thread.
It is a cow, and it isn’t at all extinct, it's actually a relatively commonly kept animal. It's less in the Somalis' memory because it's predominantly active (currently) in the south and Galbeed and not an animal kept in large numbers by nomadic Somalis.

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Sedentary Somalis in the north used to keep cows along with camels and cattle
Yes, and you'll still see them on occasion the more south you go. The difference is, the camel took the niche that the cow had in Europe. The European cow was rarely slaughtered but kept because of its milk production, its ability to help plough fields, and its role as a beast of burden. A zebu does the the later two well, but doesn’t produce much milk. For a nomadic Somali, a camel or a donkey would be better. A donkey offers a better cost/benefit ratio when comparing feed and power relative to its size, while the camel is a sturdier animal, perfect for long stretches of walking between grazing areas, and it produces far more calorie-dense milk. Ability to plough fields would be a non factor for nomads. If you've got plenty of water and grass, a cow will produce way more meat though and it reproduces more often compared to a camel.

The Cubans have actually successfully crossbred zebus (the cows in Somalia) and European dairy cows to create milk-producing cattle that can survive the hotter climates of the equator. Getting your hands on them is pretty much impossible, as the Cubans never export them.
 
Records of Egyptians referring to Punt as Brbrta
Appreciate it — that’s the kind of evidence I was looking for. Ironically, what you said reinforces my argument. It’s time our people rediscover their true history instead of echoing outdated claims from Orientalist fiction.

 

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Waaq, Wagar and Eebe are the names floating around about our pre-Islamic deities. Also Xuur whos really more of an angle/messenger type.

Waaq was associated with Dab-Shid or the Fire Lighting / Bonfire. It was at the beginning of the year for Somalis which was before the first rain Gu. The second one Deyr was more important as it was more localized down south so we had to go to it rather than it coming to us like Gu. That's where the Intertropical Convergence Zone would hit

p9x2f80d6klc1.png


"The Gu rain season starts as early as the second half of March. Precipitation intensifies in April across the country, except for the north-eastern coastline which receives the least amount of rainfall during this season. In June, rainfall starts to reduce in most parts of Somalia. The southern coastline continues to receive little rainfall. Significant rains occur in July through August. The second rainy season (Deyr) is characterized by a shorter duration and less amounts of precipitation in the months of October to the end of November." - UN Climate change website.

That is important because before the first rain we would sight the astrological sign of the "Big Dipper" which we called Xiddiga Hal Toddobaaddo (Seven and 1 Star).

Which looks like either a big dipper or an animal with a tail perhaps a cow or a bear.

iStock-1188224724-e1638809967832.jpg


The Second Rain we sighted the astrological sign of .... the Southern Crux(cross)

The-Southern-Cross-1.jpg


Now etymologically Waaq might've been a bit too hard to say so they could've just dropped the Q. Waa sounds far too similar to Ra. Xuur sounds way too similar to Horus.

And Eebe is more interesting! Funny enough the Jews have a process called "Shaming the Name". When they defeated the Canaanites they shamed the god Baal and exalted YHWH by literally changing words that sounded similar to Baal. I think something very similar happened to us After Islam. Where exalting Eebe with a southern cross idolatry became pretty shameful. Especially as Somali scholars returned from Cairo later on and other areas where the Cross was more visible and associated with Christianity. Nowadays Eebe means .. well Shame!

Of course not to forget Wagar! Which Sada Mire even mentions its associations with fertility. Now there's a lot of phallic objects around not just AwBarkhadle site but also with Oromos taking wee-wees in battle and wearing it on their foreheads. Maybe Egyptian Ankh is really just a PIV scene with the top looking like a vagina and the long phallic object crossing a "threshold" along the cross.

smankh__08122.1731364872.JPG


Last but not least Xuur! Which was an angle (of death maybe?) and associated with a large bird.


This morphs into the Osiris Myth that transforms the Waaq/Wagar/Eebe/Xuur characters into Osiris/Isis/Horus/Seth(maybe Geb?)

Which of course inspired and informed the Greeks myth of Uranus/Gaia/Cronus and later Cronus/Gaia/Zeus.

Which of courses informs a man named Saul/Paul in the first century. Who welded Judaism with Greco-Egyptian-Somali folklore that explained the astrological, meteorological and theological systems early humans were weaving in East Africa/North Africa/Fertile Crescent and how they might have come about. Of course Jesus/Yeshua was a historical person but this brings the Trinity and "Dying for your sins and resurrecting" thing into question for some people (Christians who will hate us eternally).


Proof #1; Records of Egyptians referring to Punt as Brbrta which Greeks, Persians and even Chinese used in preislamic times to refer to Somalis as a whole because of the city of Berbera.


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Proof #2; Secretary Bird
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Proof #3; Use of Frankincense in religious rites
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Proof #4; Donkeys, camels, and chickens

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To start this thread off i have just one question. What do you think these two symbols might mean in the Las Geel paintings?
Brother how could you forget Nidar :kendrickcry:

The Ankh origins might be tied down to knots used to tether cows. Some scholars (notably Cyril Aldred) have suggested the ankh may represent a knot or strap used to tether animals, especially cattle. In ancient Egyptian symbolism, it was associated with the"key of life" or "symbol of life, which cows represented early on.

There was a recent paper that proposed the local origin of cattle domestication in Northeast Africa aswell as China. based on recent findings that included cattle bones with well-worn teeth, indicating that the animals lived long lives and were primarily used for milk production, alongside this, it showed HG still hunting wild game but not bovines.

These early domesticated cattle entered the gene pool but maternal haplogroups essentially ceased to exist, compared to Eurasian cattle that entered via the Sinai and later on the zebu which came from India, something similar also happened in China.

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Osteological premises for domestic cattle 10kaBP comes from Letti (Sudan).

Domestication was an adaptation to climate change in the early Holocene.

African domestication was independent process to the contemporary in the Middle East.

Zooarchaeological data suggest the presence of proto-pastoral adaptation.

Cattle remains significant cultural element by the Nile for next 10 millennia."

 
Either our paternal ancestor (Natufin or natufian like) in the levant domesticated cattle or our maternal ancestors (East African pastoralist / HG) domesticated it in Northeast Africa hehehehe

Your probably right as its closely related to the Crook and Flail. They were symbols of pharonic authority, Crook came first and alone to symbolize the Pharos as a shepherd leading his flock and the flail was added later around the second dynasty. The symbolism of life and nourishment probably melted together to give the Ankh some esoteric value. Here’s how all the hieroglyphics represent the ankh;

Tomb of Kherouef;
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Horus Falcon Carrying the Ankh, Karnak Temple, Luxor;
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Temple dedicated to Queen Hatshepsut (Hatshepsut) (1479 BC - 1457 BC) Deir el Bahari, Egypt
Meaning "Long Life and Prosperity" ;
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Luxor Temple, Hatshepsut Offers Bread to Amon Ra;
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Min, (1962-1928 BC) 12th Dynasty, sanctuary built to pay homage to the god Amon;
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