User Nilotic excited to come to Somalia

[Periplus]

Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you are a nerd

More likely to be a nerd than me.

 

[Nasirite]

What stories of origin do your people have?

Our orogin story? We are a nomadic nilo Saharan group of peoples who used to live in the Sudan part of Africa. We followed the Nile all the way to Ethiopia and we lived there. We even had a kingdom it was the first kingdom of Axum it was called bazin and our king was king bazin. We were then invaded by Tigrayan/Tigrinya Ethiopians they were a bigger tribe and sneak attacked and defeated us in battle so we Began our full move to Eritrea from the northern part of Ethiopia (Tigray). The countries are still very close so we were in Ethiopia and eritrea before the habehsa came. A lot of our people say that habehsa came on boats from Yemen to Eritrea and Ethiopia. We lived in Eritrea defending our people from Ethiopians, Sudanese, and arabs. We are built way stronger in our builds than the skimish habehsa so we didn’t have too much of a problem even as a small tribe. Matter of fact they were afraid of us. We’re broad shouldered, tall men. Now I don’t know the group of Ethiopians we mixed with that showed in my dna result. I know in the past we and neighboring tribes would go and steal wowmen and children from other tribes and keep them as our own. Plus we have always been in the middle of war zone so war crimes such as rape could be a possible factor too. One more factor is mixing with certain groups willingly. We share a alot of culture with Oromo Ethiopians specifically borana oromo. So we may have mixed with them because our city is named barentu and it’s a very important name for Oromo people I think it’s like a god or somthing. We have somthing to do with them. We don’t have our own script so nothing is recorded so it’s hard to find data

 

[Nilotic]

Our orogin story? We are a nomadic nilo Saharan group of peoples who used to live in the Sudan part of Africa. We followed the Nile all the way to Ethiopia and we lived there. We even had a kingdom it was the first kingdom of Axum it was called bazin and our king was king bazin. We were then invaded by Tigrayan/Tigrinya Ethiopians they were a bigger tribe and sneak attacked and defeated us in battle so we Began our full move to Eritrea from the northern part of Ethiopia (Tigray). The countries are still very close so we were in Ethiopia and eritrea before the habehsa came. A lot of our people say that habehsa came on boats from Yemen to Eritrea and Ethiopia. We lived in Eritrea defending our people from Ethiopians, Sudanese, and arabs. We are built way stronger in our builds than the skimish habehsa so we didn’t have too much of a problem even as a small tribe. Matter of fact they were afraid of us. We’re broad shouldered, tall men. Now I don’t know the group of Ethiopians we mixed with that showed in my dna result. I know in the past we and neighboring tribes would go and steal wowmen and children from other tribes and keep them as our own. Plus we have always been in the middle of war zone so war crimes such as rape could be a possible factor too. One more factor is mixing with certain groups willingly. We share a alot of culture with Oromo Ethiopians specifically borana oromo. So we may have mixed with them because our city is named barentu and it’s a very important name for Oromo people I think it’s like a god or somthing. We have somthing to do with them. We don’t have our own script so nothing is recorded so it’s hard to find data

Thanks a million for the insight you provided on your people.

I've read that your people are closely related to the Nara; I think minus the additional "Cushitic" and Semitic admixture... the Kunama/Nara represent what the original population of Kush and Nubia would have looked like in genetic terms.

I base my theory on the fact that the Nara language is the closest language to Nubian; the recent genetic data from Kulubnarti shows a population that was represented by the paternal E-M215 marker -- a marker present in the Nara at significant frequencies.

I have no genetic data on the Kumama, but the Nara have a significant Nilotic profile; A-M13 is represented at a frequency of 20% and probably would have been higher prior to the migration to Eritrea. The Masalit have A-M13 at around 31%.

I think that the Kunama/Nara, pre 2nd century CE Nubians, Kasu (Kush), Masalit, Fur and Zaghawa all represent a Central Saharan complex that migrated to the Nile from around Darfur-Chad. We know that the Nubians came from Darfur.

I think that these Central Saharans were more like proto-Nilotics prior to an admixture event with E-M215/E-M35 population (s) around 5k years ago.

 

[Eyamienk]

What ethnic group is the closest to our Eurasian ancestry of Cushitic speaking ethnic groups?

 

[mr steal your naag]

They're only treated better because we have to live with them. “Occasionally even intermarrying with them” ??? Wtf, Bantu people marry within their tribe, if a clan such as Rahanweyn was to marry a Bantu it would result in ostracism, look at this quote from the 'United Nations high commissioner for refugees': ”Formal intermarriage is extremely rare, and typically results in ostracism the few times it does occur." This quote is referring to intermarriage between Ethnic Somalis and Somali Bantus. I am a Geledi Rahanweyn, one of the far superior clans in Somalia, why would my people give Bantu our DNA? Tbh that's insulting to me.

No way we finaly got a RX on sspot

 

[Mahamed]

Here's a little bit of cultural exchange.

No language sounds similar to somali than this language, I feel like I understand it but not. It sounds more somali than maymay, afar, oromo or any other “cushitic” languages. But the thing is were proto-Nilotic people related to Niger-Congo family? If it’s no, do we Somalis have Niger-congo DNA? I found out we have proto-Khoison in our DNA, they used to live in southern east Africa.

 

[digaagjecel]

No way we finaly got a RX on sspot

You no longer have to tag jiron, that shit was hilarious

 

[mr steal your naag]

You no longer have to tag jiron, that shit was hilarious

Jiron was getting on my nerve with his stupid postive shit

 

[convincation]

They're only treated better because we have to live with them. “Occasionally even intermarrying with them” ??? Wtf, Bantu people marry within their tribe, if a clan such as Rahanweyn was to marry a Bantu it would result in ostracism, look at this quote from the 'United Nations high commissioner for refugees': ”Formal intermarriage is extremely rare, and typically results in ostracism the few times it does occur." This quote is referring to intermarriage between Ethnic Somalis and Somali Bantus. I am a Geledi Rahanweyn, one of the far superior clans in Somalia, why would my people give Bantu our DNA? Tbh that's insulting to me.

Your right my bad. Geledi are noble folk, as a mudulood you and your people have my full respect

 

[Nilotic]

No language sounds similar to somali than this language, I feel like I understand it but not. It sounds more somali than maymay, afar, oromo or any other “cushitic” languages. But the thing is were proto-Nilotic people related to Niger-Congo family? If it’s no, do we Somalis have Niger-congo DNA? I found out we have proto-Khoison in our DNA, they used to live in southern east Africa.

There are no linguistic links between Afro-Asiatic and Nilotic languages; your proto-Nilotic heritage is strictly genetic.

I don't know enough about genetics to make definitive statements on just how related proto-Nilotics were to Niger-Congo populations.

Proto-Nilotic and Niger-Congo probably split tens of thousands of years ago; Somalis have no Niger-Congo admixture.

 

[Nasirite]

The usage of the term 'Nilote' has become confused and muddled and I feel the need to clear this up.

Only the Dinka-Nuer, Shilluk-Anyuak, Maasai-Samburu, Kalenjin, Karo, Toposa, Didinga, Lotuka and the Luo tribes are Nilotic.

The Kunama, Nara, Nubians, Toubou, Maban, Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa are Saharans and they have zero connections with Nilotes; the only reason anyone would mistakenly call them Nilotic is if they actually believed that Nilo (us) and Saharans (Kunama) were part of a legitimate phylum and that we're related.

Kunama acctually are not Saharans. Kunama are Nilotics. The ressson why we don’t like like pure Nilotics is because of our mixture withe neighbors. Mixing with early Eritrean hunter gathers/omotics and habeshas made us shorter and gave us more diversity in looks. But kunama are the only nilo Saharans without any Bantu/nigercongo ancestry.