(UNPOPULAR OPINION) Somali men are failures because of us women

[Jinjacat]

This one is strictly for the ladies so no peeking nimaan


Ok I know the title sounds crazy but I’ve been doing some observation with groups of women but Somali women especially.
Firstly I want to say that this is coming from a good place and not me being disrespectful just listen, I also want to disclaim that not ALL Somali women are like this

Okay let’s start, us as Somali women have so much problems among ourselves we are constantly in competition with each other, hate each other , fight each other and curse each other. There is NO collective sisterhood at all. Now before you scream “internalised misogyny” let me ask you this,

How EVIL must a mother be to do guudniin (to her 5 year old baby girl) watching her cry and scream?
I understand conditioning, but watching your beautiful precious little daughter be in so much pain and distress... come on

Why is it hooyos mule out their daughters and treat them like slaves?

Why is it naago when they see a man who is a deadbeat and trashed his ex wife she will marry him KNOWING what he done to her?

Why do evil habos get away with so much sh*t?

Let’s be real... we and our hooyos RUN this community and we RUN the household you lot even admit it and say statements like “we are the backbone of the Somali community” ain’t no nin forcing us to treat each other like shit na sooro soorotha naaga dhaaf pls.
If so, please tell me and show me because I DESPERATELY want to be proven wrong.
So no more bs and straight honesty here please!

When you have a community of naago that are self loathing, hate their sisters and can’t even come together to set a collective standard... what men do you think that’s going to create? Think logically please

Let me ask again...

If these men who grew up in the SAME gurii as US , in the SAME country, in the same diaspora and the same community have watched us TRASH each other what makes you think they will not do that to you?

If that’s the image we have set for each other and the standards we put on our sons why are we surprised when they turn out the way that they do?

THEY ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR OWN TREACHEROUS BEHAVIOUR.

We need to take accountability and take a look at ourselves and have that uncomfortable conversation, because it’s so much more easier to put the blame on men.

We are the gatekeepers of life and sex, we set standards on what KIND of men we allow in our life and bring into the world.

Cadaan women may not all get along all kumbaya and shit, but they know how to keep that cadaan man in place running shit. They know when’s the right time to come together to perserve her race and men.

She birthed the most powerful patriarch in the fucking world, why? Because cadaan women have a collective higher standard for their men, do you REALLY think if nimanka caadanka oo dhaan started acting and being lazy like nimaanka madowga kaale she would allow that? Do you think she would still give birth to him? I don’t think so.


Indho yaar women took notes, and started dating cadaan men , put some standards on her sons and look at how much their men have become productive and improved overtime.

Now I’m not saying you have to date out or anything , but I think there’s a chance We too can improve this community as well as women alone based on our desicions and unity.

I think Somali men are different from madow men and have potential to outdo them. I’ve seen it the Cushitic bloodline is different from the other types in my opinion.

Matter of fact, I’d argue why I think Somali men are becoming even worse now in 2022 is because they see yall on social media liking madow men and their degeneracy, so by default they are trying to emulate them (wearing long braids, making rap music) to make YOU like them more.

Men do everything for women to impress them and put you on a pedestal even if it is BAD BEHAVIOUR.

Yall don’t even know the POWER and INFLUENCE you have on a community and it is sad.

Let’s fix up gabdho I only want what’s best

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

We are the gatekeepers of life and sex, we set standards on what KIND of men we allow in our life and bring into the world.

That's exactly why low-achieving losers are angry sis.

They want unlimited access to high quality women without meeting the standard. The truth is they don't want their female counterparts, they want hijabi virgins who are hafidul quran and educated.
Somali women need to marry good Somali men, raise good children and make sure they uphold their standards also, we need to make sure the criminal underclass doesn't gain access to normal families.

The minute a woman drops her standards, she curses her bloodline.

 

[Jinjacat]

That's exactly why low-achieving losers are angry sis.

They want unlimited access to high quality women without meeting the standard. The truth is they don't want their female counterparts, they want hijabi virgins who are hafidul quran and educated.
Somali women need to marry good Somali men, raise good children and make sure they uphold their standards also, we need to make sure the criminal underclass doesn't gain access to normal families.

The minute a woman drops her standards, she curses her bloodline.

Exactly I forgot to mention this but yes only marry the good ones who love you.
And the criminals/ degenerate / misogynistic ones shouldn’t even be near a Somali girl ever .
The last statement is true but the women who think like us are a minority unfortunately and that’s the problem. We have too many with low standards

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Exactly I forgot to mention this but yes only marry the good ones who love you.
And the criminals/ degenerate / misogynistic ones shouldn’t even be near a Somali girl ever .
The last statement is true but the women who think like us are a minority unfortunately and that’s the problem. We have too many with low standards

When it's adults; birds of a feather, flock together.
No normal and mature woman is attracted to a low-life. They are the same low-lives who have group sex in crack houses, who sell drugs and who pimp women. Not to mention what happens in prison between men. Allah forbid.

Sometimes, it's teenage stupidity and they end up marrying a ciyaalo suuq and then when their prefrontal cortex develops, they feel trapped.

 

[Jinjacat]

When it's adults; birds of a feather, flock together.
No normal and mature woman is attracted to a low-life. They are the same low-lives who have group sex in crack houses, who sell drugs and who pimp women. Not to mention what happens in prison between men. Allah forbid.

Sometimes, it's teenage stupidity and they end up marrying a ciyaalo suuq and then when their prefrontal cortex develops, they feel trapped.

Err I don’t think it’s just trivial “teenage stupidity” though. If that was the case the community wouldn’t look like how it does today. We see older Somali women in their 30s marrying deadbeats, I say it’s treachery.
As for the degenerates who go to crackhouses and sell drugs more often they not they still have a sariir to sleep in at their HOOYOS house when she should have disowned her son.
We are the catalyst to our own problems

 

[Ahmed123-]

This one is strictly for the ladies so no peeking nimaan


Ok I know the title sounds crazy but I’ve been doing some observation with groups of women but Somali women especially.
Firstly I want to say that this is coming from a good place and not me being disrespectful just listen, I also want to disclaim that not ALL Somali women are like this

Okay let’s start, us as Somali women have so much problems among ourselves we are constantly in competition with each other, hate each other , fight each other and curse each other. There is NO collective sisterhood at all. Now before you scream “internalised misogyny” let me ask you this,

How EVIL must a mother be to do guudniin (to her 5 year old baby girl) watching her cry and scream?
I understand conditioning, but watching your beautiful precious little daughter be in so much pain and distress... come on

Why is it hooyos mule out their daughters and treat them like slaves?

Why is it naago when they see a man who is a deadbeat and trashed his ex wife she will marry him KNOWING what he done to her?

Why do evil habos get away with so much sh*t?

Let’s be real... we and our hooyos RUN this community and we RUN the household you lot even admit it and say statements like “we are the backbone of the Somali community” ain’t no nin forcing us to treat each other like shit na sooro soorotha naaga dhaaf pls.
If so, please tell me and show me because I DESPERATELY want to be proven wrong.
So no more bs and straight honesty here please!

When you have a community of naago that are self loathing, hate their sisters and can’t even come together to set a collective standard... what men do you think that’s going to create? Think logically please

Let me ask again...

If these men who grew up in the SAME gurii as US , in the SAME country, in the same diaspora and the same community have watched us TRASH each other what makes you think they will not do that to you?

If that’s the image we have set for each other and the standards we put on our sons why are we surprised when they turn out the way that they do?

THEY ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR OWN TREACHEROUS BEHAVIOUR.

We need to take accountability and take a look at ourselves and have that uncomfortable conversation, because it’s so much more easier to put the blame on men.

We are the gatekeepers of life and sex, we set standards on what KIND of men we allow in our life and bring into the world.

Cadaan women may not all get along all kumbaya and shit, but they know how to keep that cadaan man in place running shit. They know when’s the right time to come together to perserve her race and men.

She birthed the most powerful patriarch in the fucking world, why? Because cadaan women have a collective higher standard for their men, do you REALLY think if nimanka caadanka oo dhaan started acting and being lazy like nimaanka madowga kaale she would allow that? Do you think she would still give birth to him? I don’t think so.


Indho yaar women took notes, and started dating cadaan men , put some standards on her sons and look at how much their men have become productive and improved overtime.

Now I’m not saying you have to date out or anything , but I think there’s a chance We too can improve this community as well as women alone based on our desicions and unity.

I think Somali men are different from madow men and have potential to outdo them. I’ve seen it the Cushitic bloodline is different from the other types in my opinion.

Matter of fact, I’d argue why I think Somali men are becoming even worse now in 2022 is because they see yall on social media liking madow men and their degeneracy, so by default they are trying to emulate them (wearing long braids, making rap music) to make YOU like them more.

Men do everything for women to impress them and put you on a pedestal even if it is BAD BEHAVIOUR.

Yall don’t even know the POWER and INFLUENCE you have on a community and it is sad.

Let’s fix up gabdho I only want what’s best

I agree, sis, that Somali men are shit. It's time we distance ourselves from these monkeys, except for @Ahmed123- He deserves four Somali hijabi virgins who are hafidul Quran and educated. That gets up at 5 a.m. every day to make him canjeero iyo beer and feed it to him.

 

[your_average_farax]

I agree, sis, that Somali men are shit. It's time we distance ourselves from these monkeys, except for @Ahmed123- He deserves four Somali hijabi virgins who are hafidul Quran and educated. That gets up at 5 a.m. every day to make him canjeero iyo beer and feed it to him.

what the why is a man here?

 

[Mantiq_Al-gharb]

I agree, sis, that Somali men are shit. It's time we distance ourselves from these monkeys, except for @Ahmed123- He deserves four Somali hijabi virgins who are hafidul Quran and educated. That gets up at 5 a.m. every day to make him canjeero iyo beer and feed it to him.

disgusting scum man gtfo this thread

 

[Hmohamed54]

My dad always told me to never yell at my sisters so she doesn't get use to it from other men.

 

[Sophisticate]

It is hard to take responsibility for the actions of a grown man or a collective of those behaving poorly who just so happen to be Somali. Especially if you have not raised them, have no sway over how they conduct themselves (can't exactly use telekinesis for behavioural modification) and do not engage in any of the self-destructive behaviours listed above. However, I agree that you can only control yourself and your behaviours and that you set an example for others based on how you treat yourself.

 

[bluebird]

It is hard to take responsibility for the actions of a grown man or a collective of those behaving poorly who just so happen to be Somali. Especially if you have not raised them, have no sway over how they conduct themselves (can't exactly use telekinesis for behavioural modification) and do not engage in any of the self-destructive behaviours listed above. However, I agree that you can only control yourself and your behaviours and that you set an example for others based on how you treat yourself.

I get her point though. You cant control others, but somali mothers do raise their sons with those same poor qualities. If they wanted to, they could instill good behavior from a young age (and I've seen some do it) but most of them only want to parent their daughters.

 

[Jinjacat]

I get her point though. You cant control others, but somali mothers do raise their sons with those same poor qualities. If they wanted to, they could instill good behavior from a young age (and I've seen some do it) but most of them only want to parent their daughters.

Exactly it’s a choice. Because these grown men were once little boys who could of been raised to be responsible and taught how to treat women. Saying “you can’t control others” is completely dismissing the bigger issue at hand, because ultimately it leads to accountability and self responsiblity for your reproductive choices and most women don’t wanna do that...

 

[Jinjacat]

It is hard to take responsibility for the actions of a grown man or a collective of those behaving poorly who just so happen to be Somali. Especially if you have not raised them, have no sway over how they conduct themselves (can't exactly use telekinesis for behavioural modification) and do not engage in any of the self-destructive behaviours listed above. However, I agree that you can only control yourself and your behaviours and that you set an example for others based on how you treat yourself.

These men act the way they do because Somali women COLLECTIVELY allow them too. It is what it is lol
Bottom Line.

 

[Jinjacat]

This thread made me realise how women don’t wanna take accountability for who they allow in their womb and who comes out of it and would rather act dense and blame men

 

[Sophisticate]

I get her point though. You cant control others, but somali mothers do raise their sons with those same poor qualities. If they wanted to, they could instill good behavior from a young age (and I've seen some do it) but most of them only want to parent their daughters.

This thread made me realise how women don’t wanna take accountability for who they allow in their womb and who comes out of it and would rather act dense and blame men

I agree that permissive parenting and one-sided discipline are problematic. Still, I do not expect those not reared here with less formal education to have enough self-awareness to acknowledge and change this. Nevertheless, I will assume that your message targets girls born or raised in the west.

Yes, expectations matter, and you attract what you feel you deserve, so I will agree.

Also, competitiveness between romantic rivals for male prospects and the use of indirect aggression by women through gossiping and social exclusion is not unique to Somalis. Rather this is a human phenomenon where fewer competitors mean greater access to preferred mates. Particularly among those that are insecure about mate selection and access. However, I agree that competition for low-value men of poor character that cannot effectively provide makes no sense.

Also, it is hard to change treacherous behaviour you did not engage in or were exposed to growing up. I cannot relate to this, but my mother did not negate me, and my brothers were treated equally to me. There was not a gender imbalance concerning household duties or expectations. I also did not have a sister and never felt the need to fight or compete with other women. Alx, my parents were both educated, married monogamously for close to 42 years, and neither neglected me. It starts in the home. I will affirm that your circle of influence consists of you and close friends/family. Furthermore, perhaps my stance is one of staunched individualism. Wherein I cannot be a martyr for the collective or the actions of Somali men I had no hand raising.

I like your message of personal accountability. Though I think responsibility should be two-sided. An active, conscientious and committed father and husband are important. You are correct. And I’ll agree with you that women need to choose wisely. The wrong partner can adversely impact the trajectory of your life and that of your children (so we agree there). Also, once a man or woman reaches the age of maturity, even if they were raised poorly, it is a matter of being adult enough to reparent yourself. That requires going beyond your childhood programming.

Sis, I’m also going, to be honest with you. I do not know a Somali girl that married a deadbeat (within my circle). Though I am sure, they exist. So maybe my sample size is small, and there is a selection bias with my observations.

Perhaps I am not the appropriate audience for your message but good luck.

 

[bluebird]

I agree that permissive parenting and one-sided discipline are problematic. Still, I do not expect those not reared here with less formal education to have enough self-awareness to acknowledge and change this. Nevertheless, I will assume that your message targets girls born or raised in the west.

Yes, expectations matter, and you attract what you feel you deserve, so I will agree.

Also, competitiveness between romantic rivals for male prospects and the use of indirect aggression by women through gossiping and social exclusion is not unique to Somalis. Rather this is a human phenomenon where fewer competitors mean greater access to preferred mates. Particularly among those that are insecure about mate selection and access. However, I agree that competition for low-value men of poor character that cannot effectively provide makes no sense.

Also, it is hard to change treacherous behaviour you did not engage in or were exposed to growing up. I cannot relate to this, but my mother did not negate me, and my brothers were treated equally to me. There was not a gender imbalance concerning household duties or expectations. I also did not have a sister and never felt the need to fight or compete with other women. Alx, my parents were both educated, married monogamously for close to 42 years, and neither neglected me. It starts in the home. I will affirm that your circle of influence consists of you and close friends/family. Furthermore, perhaps my stance is one of staunched individualism. Wherein I cannot be a martyr for the collective or the actions of Somali men I had no hand raising.

I like your message of personal accountability. Though I think responsibility should be two-sided. An active, conscientious and committed father and husband are important. You are correct. And I’ll agree with you that women need to choose wisely. The wrong partner can adversely impact the trajectory of your life and that of your children (so we agree there). Also, once a man or woman reaches the age of maturity, even if they were raised poorly, it is a matter of being adult enough to reparent yourself. That requires going beyond your childhood programming.

Sis, I’m also going, to be honest with you. I do not know a Somali girl that married a deadbeat (within my circle). Though I am sure, they exist. So maybe my sample size is small, and there is a selection bias with my observations.

Perhaps I am not the appropriate audience for your message but good luck.

I disagree that its out of lack of education. because you don't need formal education to have common sense. Its out of spite and crabs in a barrel. a lot of somali women feel like they have crappy husbands and want their sons to be the same way with their wives. they want to raise their daughters to be good wives but their sons they say will be another woman's problem.

 

[notinuse.]

disgusting scum man gtfo this thread

I knew you were a naag ! @Ahmed123- I told you to shoot you shot with him/she/it.

 

[notinuse.]

I don't think that it is the fault of young somali women in modern day more so the women before us. Our ayeeyo's and hooyo's are mostly to blame (as well the lack of father figures) I can't even remember the number times I've seen somali mothers babying their grown 25/30 + year old sons by treating them like literal fetuses while on the other hand treating their daughters like house maids.

Although I think this peculiar family dynamic did help young somali girls for the long run as many grew up to be very independent and determined women, it nevertheless caused a lot of trauma and mental issues especially for the eldest daughter whereas the son often ends up as a bum and man-child with little to no real masculinity or goals in life (hence the rise of male incels in the somali community).

 

[JackieBurkhart]

I agree with @malab . My sisters' were parentified and it strained their relationship with my parents to this day.

 

[Jinjacat]

I don't think that it is the fault of young somali women in modern day more so the women before us. Our ayeeyo's and hooyo's are mostly to blame (as well the lack of father figures) I can't even remember the number times I've seen somali mothers babying their grown 25/30 + year old sons by treating them like literal fetuses while on the other hand treating their daughters like house maids.

Although I think this peculiar family dynamic did help young somali girls for the long run as many grew up to be very independent and determined women, it nevertheless caused a lot of trauma and mental issues especially for the eldest daughter whereas the son often ends up as a bum and man-child with little to no real masculinity or goals in life (hence the rise of male incels in the somali community).

Yeah I’m saying it’s more so the older generation, when I’m referring to the women but some of the daughters are acting worse by marrying bummy ajnabi. It’s just not looking good