UAE

[Omar del Sur]

and you see what the function of the ahlul starbucks people is? scream you are a khariji, if you say anything... help to make sure that the Middle East can be turned into Europe without any sort of opposition... this hizb.... some of them may be genuine but misguided, some may be agents and munafiqeen... but their function is to serve as tools to facilitate the secularization of the Muslim world...

and look at Egypt... Sisi has compromised Egypt's water security... even if you're a godless atheist munafiq and you want secularization... even a godless atheist munafiq still needs to drink water...

if someone takes the position "you must never oppose the government at any cost, no matter what".... ok so the interest of the government would be the top thing....

but there's also the interest of the din, there's also the interest of the population, there's also the interest of the country....

the deeper that the "Madkhali" route penetrates into the people's thinking... the more the government can deviate from serving the din, the population, the country... the more they are enabled to sell out the din and the country itself...

I mean for example... just giving an example... they could soft genocide the population by flooding the country with foreign elements... for example, flooding Kashmir with Hindus, flooding Palestine with Jews.... or maybe it could happen to another Muslim people... and if you've internalized the "Madkhali" thought... they can legalize all kinds of fahisha, all kinds of degeneracy, unislamic filth, treat the din and the shariah as a joke... with the "Madkhali" thought- there's no opening for you to really do anything... but maybe you're irreligious, you don't really care... but if they go the "soft genocide" route- and you have the "Madkhali" thought internalized.... you can't do anything, you have to just sit back and allow the soft genocide... the Hawaians are a minority in their own land, they will probably never be the majority again... the "Madkhali" thought opens the door to what I've talked about, enables the government to do all kinds of such things... and do you think they won't take advantage of it?

and ultimately, who is giving these governments orders to carry out these projects of treason?? the "Madkhali" thought is a one-way ticket to being under colonialism. the government is independent on paper, the guy in charge claims to be a Muslim but he's following orders from Zionist and colonialist forces, you are effectively under colonialism and with the "Madkhali" thought you have no way out. I attack the "Madkhali" thought because it is part of an infrastructure for keeping the Muslim world under colonialism. but some people... they may not have it in them to resist colonialism. look at the Hindus. it can be clearly seen how they are. people have to decide whether they want to be the modern continuation of the anti-colonial freedom fighters of the past... or if they want to go a route that is not so noble.

 

[techsamatar]

Not my concern but of topic, but the irony and hypocrisy from that tweeter, 'Criticize this though, and you're a Khaariji whose blood is Halal.'

I'm quite certain, based on my own observations and personal experiences, that the Khariji, whether they be passive or active in rebellion, categorize anyone not deeming MBS or any contemporary Muslim ruler as a kafir. They label you as a kafir as well and assert that your blood is permissible to shed. This perspective arises from the belief that anyone not engaging in takfir is aligned with them, or anyone residing outside the regions they control is considered a kafir.

The Salaf and the Sunnah permit the eradication/killing of the first category of Khariji who engage in active revolt. However, shedding the blood of those who adopt a passive role, spreading their ideology and poison, is not permissible until they transition into the first category through their actions. Fortunately, Saudi Arabia is taking measures to imprison them and curb the spread of their poisonous influence.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Not my concern but of topic, but the irony and hypocrisy from that tweeter, 'Criticize this though, and you're a Khaariji whose blood is Halal.'...

The Salaf and the Sunnah permit the eradication/killing of the first category of Khariji who engage in active revolt. However, shedding the blood of those who adopt a passive role, spreading their ideology and poison, is not permissible until they transition into the first category through their actions. Fortunately, Saudi Arabia is taking measures to imprison them and curb the spread of their poisonous influence.

that might be your opinion, but according to one of the top "Madkhali" sheikhs, the "khawarij" are to be killed even if they don't revolt. thus, anyone who says anything critical of MBS and or the UAE gov are "khawarij" and this is used to legitimize killing them. so the practice of mass labeling people who criticize these govs as khawarij is to lay the groundwork for them to be killed.

I'm quite certain, based on my own observations and personal experiences, that the Khariji, whether they be passive or active in rebellion, categorize anyone not deeming MBS or any contemporary Muslim ruler as a kafir. They label you as a kafir as well and assert that your blood is permissible to shed.

that is actual takfiri ideology. If someone says MBS is a kaffir.... and then Omar Del Sur is a kaffir if Omar Del Sur doesn't call MBS a kaffir... and then you are a kaffir if you don't call Omar Del Sur a kaffir... that is the actual takfiri ideology.

criticizing Saudi Shakiri concerts is not takfiri ideology. holding the view that dismantling the shariah is kufr akbar is not takfiri ideology

("if you say "holding the view that dismantling the shariah is major kufr makes you a khariji"- ok, then this makes Ibn Hazm, Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Kathir khawarij.")

but the chain takfir I described, that is actual takfiri ideology.

 

[techsamatar]

that might be your opinion, but according to one of the top "Madkhali" sheikhs, the "khawarij" are to be killed even if they don't revolt. thus, anyone who says anything critical of MBS and or the UAE gov are "khawarij" and this is used to legitimize killing them. so the practice of mass labeling people who criticize these govs as khawarij is to lay the groundwork for them to be killed.

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that is actual takfiri ideology. If someone says MBS is a kaffir.... and then Omar Del Sur is a kaffir if Omar Del Sur doesn't call MBS a kaffir... and then you are a kaffir if you don't call Omar Del Sur a kaffir... that is the actual takfiri ideology.

criticizing Saudi Shakiri concerts is not takfiri ideology. holding the view that dismantling the shariah is kufr akbar is not takfiri ideology

("if you say "holding the view that dismantling the shariah is major kufr makes you a khariji"- ok, then this makes Ibn Hazm, Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Kathir khawarij.")

but the chain takfir I described, that is actual takfiri ideology.

The Sheikh himself issues this fatwa, but naturally, you NPCs employ the term 'Madkhali' as a coping mechanism

Author: Rabī’ Ibn Hādī Al-Madkhalī

Source: http://www.rabee.net/show_fatwa.aspx?id=74

Is it Permissible to Kill the Khawārij?

Question: Is it permissible (for individuals) to kill the Khawārij (extremists, terrorists, insurgents, etc.) if we know who they are and know how malicious they are?

Answer: No. Even when they revolted against ‘Alī (the fourth Caliph of Islam), he didn’t fight and kill them until after they actually began revolting, uprising against the leader. Other Muslim leaders, even if they were tyrants, used not to kill them unless and until they unsheathed their swords and began openly revolting and fighting (against the leaders and authorities). So, they are only to be fought and killed (by legitimate authorities) once they unsheathe their swords (take up arms) and actually begin their revolt. Otherwise, there would be chaos – everyone going around killing each other. It’s only one of the Khawārij themselves who would say this.

The typical Khawarij tactic of projecting their beliefs onto others. I've encountered numerous passive supporters and keyboard warriors who insist that I would be deemed a kafir if I didn't acknowledge the rulers as such, thereby aligning myself with their cause.

Saudi only imprisons those adopting a passive stance to halt the spread of their poisonous ideology, preventing the land from descending into another Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, etc.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Is it Permissible to Kill the Khawārij?

Question: Is it permissible (for individuals) to kill the Khawārij (extremists, terrorists, insurgents, etc.) if we know who they are and know how malicious they are?

Answer: No. Even when they revolted against ‘Alī (the fourth Caliph of Islam), he didn’t fight and kill them until after they actually began revolting, uprising against the leader. Other Muslim leaders, even if they were tyrants, used not to kill them unless and until they unsheathed their swords and began openly revolting and fighting (against the leaders and authorities). So, they are only to be fought and killed (by legitimate authorities) once they unsheathe their swords (take up arms) and actually begin their revolt... It’s only one of the Khawārij themselves who would say this.

So according Rabee Al-Madkhali's logic, Abdul Aziz Al Rayyis would be a khariji. "It’s only one of the Khawārij themselves who would say this.". anyways, it's apparently a difference of opinion with them.

The typical Khawarij tactic of projecting their beliefs onto others. I've encountered numerous passive supporters and keyboard warriors who insist that I would be deemed a kafir if I didn't acknowledge the rulers as such, thereby aligning myself with their cause.

I see... so according to you, because I criticize the UAE government, I am a khariji... and therefore because some other people online made takfir of such and such government and then said you would be kaffir if you didn't takfir such and such government, therefore I must have the same belief although I just specifically said I don't have that belief?

Ibn Abbas, may Alalah be pleased with him, said, "Giving false testimony and concealing testimony is one of the major sins."

Claiming I believe something I don't is a serious sin, you should fear Allah. You don't have any proof that I believe in that and the reality is that I don't and I never held any belief like that. Fear Allah and don't give false testimony about me just because you have different views than me. And it's even worse considering the seriousness of what you are accusing me of.

False Testimony​

Islam has come with the establishment of justice and prevention of injustice as one of its most manifest goals. Justice is the purpose for which Prophet Muhammad

and all other Messengers, may Allah exalt their mention, were sent. Allah Says (what means): "We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and Sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in Justice…" [Quran 25:57]

This justice touches all aspects of human life and includes the rights of the Creator and the creatures. Allah Almighty Says (what means): "Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives ..." [Quran 16:90]
Only Islam guarantees the means that lead to the actualization of justice and its consolidation. One of the means of establishing justice is giving testimony and knowing its importance. Testimony is the criterion with which we distinguish between truth and falsehood, and true claims and false ones. Someone said, "Testimony to people's rights is like the soul to the body, for as Allah enlivens bodies with souls, He also enlivens rights with truthful testimony. It is essential in establishing a sound social life and all that has to do with it.
Shurayh, a prominent Muslim judge

said, "Judgment is a disease while testimony is a cure. So use the cure for the disease."
Giving testimony its due is an obligatory duty. Allah Says (what means): "…And establish the testimony for [the acceptance of] Allah…" [Quran 65:2]
Those who stand firm in their testimonies are among the people of righteousness and faith. Among the necessities of faith is giving truthful testimony even if against oneself or a relative. Allah Says (what means): "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm injustice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives..." [Quran 4:135]
...
Islam not only enjoins giving testimony, it also forbids concealing it because concealing evidence is something that is disapproved of Islamically and detested by nature. Allah Says (what means): "…And do not conceal testimony, for whoever conceals it-his heart is indeed sinful..." [Quran, 2:283]
Some scholars said: "Allah has not threatened (His slaves) on anything as much as He has threatened them over the concealment of evidence.
Concealing evidence is a great sin. Allah Says (what means): "…And we will not withhold the testimony of [i.e. ordained by] Allah. Indeed, we would then be of the sinful." [Quran 5:106]
Ibn Abbas, may Alalah be pleased with him, said, "Giving false testimony and concealing testimony is one of the major sins."
Since all these facts have been made clear, it then becomes necessary to know that Sharee'ah (Islamic Law) has surrounded testimony with hedges that will enable it to serve its purposes and prevent it from deviating towards what negates its goals. That is why the basic principle in Sharee'ah is that one's testimony must be based on knowledge, clarity and trust. Allah Says (what means): "…But only those who testify to the truth [can benefit], and they know." [Quran 43:86]
Allah also Says, while referring to the sayings of Prophet Yoosuf's

(Joseph's) brothers, (what means): "…And we did not testify except to what we knew." [Quran 12:81]
The scholars said, "Generally speaking, when regarding a matter that can be seen, like murder, stealing, or fornication, only eye-witness accounts are suitable (acceptable) as testimony, and if the matter is one that can be heard like marriage and business contracts, divorce, etc., acceptable testimony should be based on hearing”.
To give testimony on a matter wherein one has no knowledge, or to purposely testify with the opposite of what we know to be the truth is regarded as a great sin. False testimony is one that is baseless whatever the reason may be. Ibn Hajar

said, "False information is to describe something in contrary to its actual form."Some scholars said, "Falsehood is something that is outwardly adjusted and beautified so that it may be thought to be truth."
Allah Says (what means): "…And avoid false statement." [Quran 22:30]

At-Tirmithi

and others reported that the Prophet

delivered a sermon one day and said, "O you people! Giving false testimony is equal to ascribing partners to Allah." He then recited, "So avoid the uncleanliness of idols and avoid false statement." [Quran 22:30]
Al-Bukhari and Muslim

reported that the Prophet

said, “Should I inform you about the greatest of the great sins?" They (the present companions) said, "Yes, O Allah's Messenger!" He said, "To join others in worship with Allah and to be undutiful to one's parents.” The Prophet

then sat up after he had been reclining (on a pillow) and said, “And I warn you against giving a lying speech (false statement)." He kept saying that warning, till we (listeners) thought he would not stop”.
Giving false testimony has many evils for it supports falsehood against truth and gives backing to injustice and aggression against justice. It also effaces fairness and equity and poses danger to public safety and security.
Therefore, we Muslims, should take to the path of pious believers about whom Allah Says (what means): "And [they are] those who do not testify to falsehood, and when they pass near ill speech, they pass by with dignity." [Quran 25:72]

False Testimony

Explore the significance of testimony in Islam and its vital role in establishing justice and truth. This webpage discusses the Quranic basis for justice, emphasizing the necessity of truthful testimony in upholding rights, preventing injustice, and promoting a harmonious social life. Learn...

www.islamweb.net

 

[Omar del Sur]

another thing @techsamatar - and you've been ducking this- I asked why you don't call Albani a khariji. I clearly showed you him criticizing the Saudi government. so why don't you call him a khariji? I also posted where Sheikh Uthaymeen was criticizing Muslim governments. why don't you call Sheikh Uthaymeen a khariji?

 

[Omar del Sur]

another thing is... @techsamatar is actually the one coming with an extreme position. this person has no business talking.

take a look at this



now some of the spubs shamsi follower types see this... oh they think this is extreme.

all I did was criticize legalizing alcohol. Sheikh Uthaymeen made takfir on governments that do this. so if my criticizing it makes me a khariji- then what does that make Sheikh Uthaymeen?



this shows again how the spubs followers go way too extreme in their position and how they are not following the same approach as scholars like Sheikh Uthaymeen like they pretend to be

 

[techsamatar]

another thing @techsamatar - and you've been ducking this- I asked why you don't call Albani a khariji. I clearly showed you him criticizing the Saudi government. so why don't you call him a khariji? I also posted where Sheikh Uthaymeen was criticizing Muslim governments. why don't you call Sheikh Uthaymeen a khariji?

Taking it out of context, they presented a clear opinion without explicitly endorsing the overthrow and replacement of the ruler. They refrained from issuing takfir on the ruler or claiming they are not fully implementing Sharia. They didn't take to pulpits to defame and slander the ruler or spread the poison of those adopting a passive stance.

Did they scour the internet seeking every flaw of a Muslim ruler to defame, slander, and call for takfir? Don't attempt to manipulate the honorable sheikhs who follow the ways of the Salaf to fit your concealed malice that eludes your own awareness.

Weren't you the one who absurdly created a thread linking Saudis enjoying a meal to the suffering of Muslims in Palestine, criticizing them for not doing enough?

 

[Omar del Sur]

btw I didn't even know this... so they do have legalized liquor in Dubai.... this is kufr not according to me- this is kufr according to Sheikh Uthaymeen... but then they'll have some clueless person who's been listening to SPUBS lectures come and make some big issue because you say something about the UAE

 

[Kizaru]

uae aint a islamic nation anymore. They shouldnt claim it