Thoughts on the Axumite Empire?

[Khaem]

Ik imma get xooged in the replies

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Arabian kingdom

 

[Serene Sharif]

Ik imma get xooged in the replies
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It’s beautiful. Wouldn’t rather have any other nation as our arch enemy

 

[Khaem]

Arabian kingdom

Axumites literally xooged yemenis.

 

[Ozymandias]

They are our neighbours innit, i have no opinion on their history,

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Axumites literally xooged yemenis.

When axum invaded himyar it was Already in civil war + al lakhmids invaded himyar which made it even weaker
Also there was the Christian rebels (yemeni) fighting for axum and it was the romans who transported their troops.
The arabian kingdom of axum was still good tho

 

[killerxsmoke]

When axum invaded himyar it was Already in civil war + al lakhmids invaded himyar which made it even weaker
Also there was the Christian rebels (yemeni) fighting for axum and it was the romans who transported their troops.
The arabian kingdom of axum was still good tho

Your trying to downplay them so hard lol

 

[Internet Nomad]

They are cool kingdom i don’t understand why people are so butthurt to not appreciate another countries history because of our current day relations

 

[Khaem]

They are cool kingdom i don’t understand why people are so butthurt to not appreciate another countries history because of our current day relations

We are enemies but still Horners. You wouldn't see a European discrediting the history of their neighbours.

 

[Three Moons]

Interesting kingdom, a lot to admire, especially the pious King that gave shelter to the Muslims. The fact that it eventually expanded into Sudan and Yemen, but not Somalia despite the latter having the most valuable commodities of the ancient world is very telling.

The military aspect of ancient Somalia will be an interesting archaeological revelation, because we know the ancients imported tin, and we have found ancient ruins, temples, tombs, coins and luxury items but no Axumite Obelisks, coins or any trace of that culture on a large scale that would characterise it as a hegemonic power.

This means the local city states had formidable armies and economic corridors strong enough to maintain their independence, and which continued into the Tang dynasty era where the state of Berbera is noted as having had four departmental cities and maintained an army of 20 thousand soldiers wearing armour.

 

[Khaem]

Interesting kingdom, a lot to admire, especially the pious King that gave shelter to the Muslims. The fact that it eventually expanded into Sudan and Yemen, but not Somalia despite the latter having the most valuable commodities of the ancient world is very telling.

The military aspect of ancient Somalia will be an interesting archaeological revelation, because we know the ancients imported tin, and we have found ancient ruins, temples, tombs, coins and luxury items but no Axumite Obelisks, coins or any trace of that culture on a large scale that would characterise it as a hegemonic power.

This means the local city states had formidable armies and economic corridors strong enough to maintain their independence, and which continued into the Tang dynasty era where the state of Berbera is noted as having had four departmental cities and maintained an army of 20 thousand soldiers wearing armour.

They claim to have expanded into Zaylac. At one point the city did pay tribute as did many other city states in Northern Somali coast, Berbera.

 

[Three Moons]

They claim to have expanded into Zaylac. At one point the city did pay tribute as did many other city states in Northern Somali coast, Berbera.

No evidence of this.

 

[Lahaine]

Great kingdom but I doubt they reached somali lands.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Arabian kingdom

Actually Akzum was more culturally native then it was foreign

 

[Step a side]

Interesting kingdom, a lot to admire, especially the pious King that gave shelter to the Muslims. The fact that it eventually expanded into Sudan and Yemen, but not Somalia despite the latter having the most valuable commodities of the ancient world is very telling.

The military aspect of ancient Somalia will be an interesting archaeological revelation, because we know the ancients imported tin, and we have found ancient ruins, temples, tombs, coins and luxury items but no Axumite Obelisks, coins or any trace of that culture on a large scale that would characterise it as a hegemonic power.

This means the local city states had formidable armies and economic corridors strong enough to maintain their independence, and which continued into the Tang dynasty era where the state of Berbera is noted as having had four departmental cities and maintained an army of 20 thousand soldiers wearing armour.

This is how Greco Romans described Somalia. Watch from 12:25 onwards.

 

[Three Moons]

@Step a side they copied and pasted that misinformation straight from Raoul McLaughlin’s book on Roman Trade word for word. The Periplus never actually claims that there were ‘no cities’ in fact it refers to the far side ports of Somalia as ‘emporiums’ which is what other Red Sea and Mediterranean ports like Adulis, Tyre, Thebes and Carthage were characterised as. It also differentiated between villages like Pano and major ports like Opone.

This is just another example that foreigners will never do our history justice, it’s like they are cadows by default. This is why a lack of archaeology in Somalia is so frustrating, because excavations of medieval and ancient cities will prevent them from denying what was so obvious in ancient times.

- Periplus of the Erythraean Sea - PDF

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Ik imma get xooged in the replies
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Prob one of the greatest empires in the Horn’s history. A good topic to start off on when you want to talk about ancient history in the region. I have mostly good opinions on it. It’d be interesting too see if there was a war of dominance for trade in the Red Sea between the Sabaeans, Axum and Barbaria in future archaeological finds.

 

[Step a side]

@Step a side they copied and pasted that misinformation straight from Raoul McLaughlin’s book on Roman Trade word for word. The Periplus never actually claims that there were ‘no cities’ in fact it refers to the far side ports of Somalia as ‘emporiums’ which is what other Red Sea and Mediterranean ports like Adulis, Tyre, Thebes and Carthage were characterised as. It also differentiated between villages like Pano and major ports like Opone.

This is just another example that foreigners will never do our history justice, it’s like they are cadows by default.

- Periplus of the Erythraean Sea - PDF

Thanks bro for this awareness.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Actually Akzum was more culturally native then it was foreign

It was a blend of Cushitic & Arabian cultures. Arabian influences were prominent in religion & language (South Semitic language was adopted). Whereas, dress styles, food & dances e.g were derived from the preceding Cushitic culture.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

It was a blend of Cushitic & Arabian cultures. Arabian influences were prominent in religion & language (South Semitic language was adopted). Whereas, dress styles, food & dances e.g were derived from the preceding Cushitic culture.

It was mostly a Horner/Northern Cushitic kingdom with heavy Semitic influence similar to how Carthage and Phoenicia was.