Thoughts on Byzantine empire (Greek Eastern Rome)

[Khaem]

 

[Khaem]

A period of byzantine history was due to possibly Islamic influence, idols were destroyed around the byzantine empire.

The Byzantine Iconoclasm (Ancient Greek: Εἰκονομαχία, romanized: Eikonomachía, lit. 'image struggle', 'war on icons') were two periods in the history of the Byzantine Empire when the use of religious images or icons was opposed by religious and imperial authorities within the Ecumenical Patriarchate (at the time still comprising the Roman-Latin and the Eastern-Orthodox traditions) and the temporal imperial hierarchy. The First Iconoclasm,[1] as it is sometimes called, occurred between about 726 and 787, while the Second Iconoclasm occurred between 814 and 842.[2] According to the traditional view, Byzantine Iconoclasm was started by a ban on religious images promulgated by the Byzantine Emperor Leo III the Isaurian,[3] and continued under his successors.[4] It was accompanied by widespread destruction of religious images and persecution of supporters of the veneration of images. The Papacy remained firmly in support of the use of religious images throughout the period, and the whole episode widened the growing divergence between the Byzantine and Carolingian traditions in what was still a unified European Church, as well as facilitating the reduction or removal of Byzantine political control over parts of the Italian Peninsula.

 

[Khaem]

Iconoclasm is the deliberate destruction within a culture of the culture's own religious images and other symbols or monuments, usually for religious or political motives. People who engage in or support iconoclasm are called iconoclasts, Greek for 'breakers of icons' (εἰκονοκλάσται), a term that has come to be applied figuratively to any person who breaks or disdains established dogmata or conventions. Conversely, people who revere or venerate religious images are derisively called "iconolaters" (εἰκονολάτρες). They are normally known as "iconodules" (εἰκονόδουλοι), or "iconophiles" (εἰκονόφιλοι). These terms were, however, not a part of the Byzantine debate over images. They have been brought into common usage by modern historians (from the seventeenth century) and their application to Byzantium increased considerably in the late twentieth century.

 

[Khaem]

During this period churches were built with only a cross on them, no idols. Of Isa ibn Mariam pbuh

 

[Basra]

it was lit

 

[Guillotine]

They were militarily weak, couldn't really defeat the Bulgars, Seljuks, and Sassanids. Weak leadership and 6 of their emperors were killed in battle, showing that they can easily be disrespected.

 

[Khaem]

They were militarily weak, couldn't really defeat the Bulgars, Seljuks, and Sassanids. Weak leadership and 6 of their emperors were killed in battle, showing that they can easily be disrespected.

The empire survived from 400s to 1400s. Had a good run tbh.
Early on under Belisarius the byzantine were top dog, they nearly restored the roman empire, imagine a Medieval Rome?

The main strength of the Byzantine was their diplomacy and cultural influence.
Slavs like Russians got their script which is an adaptation of Greek alphabet, eastenr Europeans became orthodox because of the Byzantine too. Byzantium had great prestige for being the most culturally enlightened state in Europe and the direct successors/continuation of Rome.

They were nkt millitary powers like ancient Rome ofc. But they were still influential in other ways.
The whole reason turkic led Persian empire, Seljuks, managed to conquer Anatolia and gain permanent Turkic settlement there from central Asian origna tribes was because the byzantines decided to just leave most Anatolia in the face of Seljuk invasion.

 

[himber23]

Trash, and they whitewashed Egypt alot and genocided the native Brown/Black Egyptians

 

[Khaem]

Trash, and they whitewashed Egypt alot and genocided the native Brown/Black Egyptians

Egyptians were never genocided.

Alexandria was always a Greek colonial city since the days of Alexander the great where it was a enclave for Greek ruling class during ptolemy dynasty until Rome annexed it. The rest of Egypt remained, except for being Christian. They were under roman colonial rule as was the rest of the fertile crescent - Levant & Iraq -

Even when the Arabs conquered Egypt there was still no massive change in genetics like people say.

"Black Egyptians" are Nubians of Sudan and they are the historical rivals of Egypt for 5,000 years. But instead of recognising the civilisation of Sudan they'll look at them and call them Egyptians. For their own inferiority complex.
How insulting is it to call Sudanese people Egyptian when they literally have the longest rivalry in human history.

You realise 5,000 years ago the upper and Lower Egypt was united into a single Kingdom by first Pharaoh Narmer to defeat the Nubians - Sudan -

Egyptians are brown skin obv some will be lighter some darker ect.

 

[Lahaine]

Great empire and a the only true heir to the Roman empire.

 

[Khaem]

Great empire and a the only true heir to the Roman empire.
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Based. Everyone else claiming Rome is just larping.

 

[himber23]

Egyptians were never genocided.

Alexandria was always a Greek colonial city since the days of Alexander the great where it was a enclave for Greek ruling class during ptolemy dynasty until Rome annexed it. The rest of Egypt remained, except for being Christian. They were under roman colonial rule as was the rest of the fertile crescent - Levant & Iraq -

Even when the Arabs conquered Egypt there was still no massive change in genetics like people say.

"Black Egyptians" are Nubians of Sudan and they are the historical rivals of Egypt for 5,000 years. But instead of recognising the civilisation of Sudan they'll look at them and call them Egyptians. For their own inferiority complex.
How insulting is it to call Sudanese people Egyptian when they literally have the longest rivalry in human history.

You realise 5,000 years ago the upper and Lower Egypt was united into a single Kingdom by first Pharaoh Narmer to defeat the Nubians - Sudan -

Egyptians are brown skin obv some will be lighter some darker ect.

"The greek historian Diodorus in his book ‘Universal History’ said that in the 6th century before Christ, because of a political crisis in Egypt, more than 200,000 Ancient Egyptians migrated south of the Nile"

 

[Guillotine]

The empire survived from 400s to 1400s. Had a good run tbh.
Early on under Belisarius the byzantine were top dog, they nearly restored the roman empire, imagine a Medieval Rome?

The main strength of the Byzantine was their diplomacy and cultural influence.
Slavs like Russians got their script which is an adaptation of Greek alphabet, eastenr Europeans became orthodox because of the Byzantine too. Byzantium had great prestige for being the most culturally enlightened state in Europe and the direct successors/continuation of Rome.

They were nkt millitary powers like ancient Rome ofc. But they were still influential in other ways.
The whole reason turkic led Persian empire, Seljuks, managed to conquer Anatolia and gain permanent Turkic settlement there from central Asian origna tribes was because the byzantines decided to just leave most Anatolia in the face of Seljuk invasion.

yes their sphere of influence has been long lasting, but military might is how a true empire is measured and the magyars and bulgars alone are taint on their record. Also, very weak leadership coupled with blinding and killing some the bright contenders for the throne proved fatal to them just like fratricide ended the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Khaem]

"The greek historian Diodorus in his book ‘Universal History’ said that in the 6th century before Christ, because of a political crisis in Egypt, more than 200,000 Ancient Egyptians migrated south of the Nile"

Of a population exceeding 10 million.
And yes refugees flooded both ways, Nubians used to flood Egypt during periods where the Sudan collapse into civil war and warring states.

Just as Egypt went into periods of civil wars and warring states also, Egyptiand would go as refugees down to Sudan.

 

[himber23]

Of a population exceeding 10 million.
And yes refugees flooded both ways, Nubians used to flood Egypt during periods where the Sudan collapse into civil war and warring states.

Just as Egypt went into periods of civil wars and warring states also, Egyptiand would go as refugees down to Sudan.

You think Pharaonic Egyptians who were never a docile people just stayed and watched foreigners (Persians, Greeks, Romans) rule and abuse them? We all know what happened, and it's was erased from history from the victors

 

[attash]

Justinian, Belisarius, and (especially) Heraclius were pretty based. After getting xooged by the Arabs, they were never the same. They did almost end up recovering their territories during the decline of the Abbasids, but then the Turks arrived and any hopes of returning to former glory were lost.

 

[Khaem]

You think Pharaonic Egyptians who were never a docile people just stayed and watched foreigners (Persians, Greeks, Romans) rule and abuse them? We all know what happened, and it's was erased from history from the victors

Yes they did exactly that.

Farming populations are docile. If their lands got conquered by a strong enough enemy. Their land is now under their domain. All they can really do is pay taxes to not get raped off their land and sometimes stage tax revolts.

They aren't like pastoralists who just pack up their cattle and move somewhere else to fight or just live.