The Somalia the taken from you

[Aseer]

That is not some unknown SYL member fam, thats Abdirizak Haji Hussein
2nd Prime minister of Somalia

I know this cause I was reading his book a while back and the picture you showed was in it.


actually leme pull up the book

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Oh I never realised that was him they looked nothing alike I was only able to identify him as SYL cause of the badge

 

[PotentialGaraad]

I don’t know if Somalia is fixable. It would be a Herculean task to even get Somalia to a mid tier African nation. We have two generations (30 years) of uneducated people back home born during an era of famine and civil war who know nothing but qabil. Social cohesion is non existent, the entire landmass is hyper militarised and clan skirmishes are all too common. There is no concept of somalinimo back home, only in the diaspora, and then we have people trying to even exclude themselves from the Somali label. Warlords, drugs, nepotism, radicalism, famine. Life among Somalis, industrial level warfare over barren land and still having an ego the size of a first world nation.

Park Chung-Hee was the third President of South Korea. He is recognised as the guy who turned South Korea from a third world hellhole into what it is today. He has his fare share of criticisms but one of his quotes that stuck with me is "Koreans stuck to their traditional way of life without knowing what was going on outside the country. We were like frogs in a well."


Somalia has many issues that many other countries have experienced and solved. Others are unique to us. Regardless, I wish the best for my people and I want to to at least try to fix the country. I would rather fail that give up before we reach our potential.

Plus I want to do something. Even if it is bringing tap water and electricity to a tuulo that has neither. Being frogs at the bottom of a well is more of a reason to attempt to climb out.

 

[Idilinaa]

I don't think idilina ever claimed the kacaan were perfect or didn't have flaws. Even in countries like America poverty is a major issue.

Of course, you have to be delusional to think Somalia was a picture perfect country when it was still developing and experiencing growth.

In America the poverty and even homelessness is caused by wealth inequality and lack of affordable housing. They even have something called NIMBY(Not In My Back Yard) where people actively prevent low cost housing in their neighborhoods.

Somalia in the 70s didn't really have those issues. There was even community driven self-help schemes that gave people affordable housing etc. and they built and distributed resources in collective support for one another. (In many ways people still operate a lot like this)

No idea what @rin is on about either, Somalia's under that revolutionary government were rapidly industrializing and modernizing. It was also not a communist government, it was a mixed capitalist-socialist and Islam driven government.

I have gone over it in another thread: You can click this to read it because it is too long to copy it all

The Soviet Union was probably the best civilization.

because Siad Barre wanted to march towards Addis Abba. I'm not sure where this misconception came from. There is no proof Barre wanted to march into Addis, his only goals were the capture of Jigjiga and Dir Dhaba aka Galbeed essentially. and play them off eachother and tried to get what he...

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Inequality was low as well and so was the income differentials between civilian service members and the general population, there was no major wealth gap.

Before the war, Somali women had modern careers, free education, and even military roles.
Women were pilots, doctors, engineers, and parliament members in the 1970s and 1980s

The war, instability, and poverty that affect women were not caused by Somali culture, but by foreign-backed conflicts and interventions.

Somalia was once a rapidly developing country where women had full access to education, healthcare, and jobs. Foreign-backed proxy wars, warlords, and interventions fueled instability which hurt women as much as men.

You can even also see how much it's not a Somali cultural thing because when a local government emerged in the form of ICU back in the early 2000s , women's role expanded , more of them attended school and immediately made things safer and just for women. They founded several clinics , schools and expanded education and health care, re-opened formal courts and revitalized economic infrastructure.

The situation in Somalia is driven by geopolitics not by tradition or culture holding it back.

 

[iley]

May Allah swt grant our people Peace, May Allah swt heal our peoples wounds, May Allah swt give us competent leaders to govern our lands in a way he sees fit, Inshallah our country Somalia will see more improvements.

 

[jusbrowsin]

Oh I never realised that was him they looked nothing alike I was only able to identify him as SYL cause of the badge

Look at the wiki, he looks like his older self

 

[rin]

No idea what @rin is on about either, Somalia's under that revolutionary government were rapidly industrializing and modernizing. It was also not a communist government, it was a mixed capitalist-socialist and Islam driven government.

I have gone over it in another thread: You can click this to read it because it is too long to copy it all

The Soviet Union was probably the best civilization.

because Siad Barre wanted to march towards Addis Abba. I'm not sure where this misconception came from. There is no proof Barre wanted to march into Addis, his only goals were the capture of Jigjiga and Dir Dhaba aka Galbeed essentially. and play them off eachother and tried to get what he...

www.somalispot.com

Inequality was low as well and so was the income differentials between civilian service members and the general population, there was no major wealth gap.

Before the war, Somali women had modern careers, free education, and even military roles.
Women were pilots, doctors, engineers, and parliament members in the 1970s and 1980s

The war, instability, and poverty that affect women were not caused by Somali culture, but by foreign-backed conflicts and interventions.

Somalia was once a rapidly developing country where women had full access to education, healthcare, and jobs. Foreign-backed proxy wars, warlords, and interventions fueled instability which hurt women as much as men.

your parents probably had such an uprbinging, but i have my doubts if all these ammenities and institutions spread to all somalia. my grandma was an illiterate geeljire, my town was pretty poor. i understand your love towards the kacaan but most of the issues somalilanders have with it come from real problems especially how it ignored the north.

 

[gasara]

your parents probably had such an uprbinging, but i have my doubts if all these ammenities and institutions spread to all somalia. my grandma was an illiterate geeljire, my town was pretty poor. i understand your love towards the kacaan but most of the issues somalilanders have with it come from real problems especially how it ignored the north.

I know in Hargeisa students were getting free education cuz one of my family members studied there. But if it was like Burco or Gabiley then yeah I don’t think they were getting that free education or perks.

 

[johnsepei5]

Somalia would still be thirdworld levels even if civil war never happens
independence in 1960 something and 20 years later the majority population were still poor

Kinda glad I get to live in west,