THE RISE OF AXMED IBRAHIM GUREEY

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  1. Young Popeye

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    Somaliland was also part of harar, u do know most hararis have arab ancestry right? How did they get inland to harar? According to u they parachuted down from a helicopter since hararis can’t live beside the sea. Take your camel back this route is closed for renovations nomad!
     
  2. Factz

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    You guys migrated from Shewa to Hararghe. Harar never existed before the 13th century. Also, Ethio-Semitic speaking groups are highlanders. They never lived on the coast or lowlands before.

    Somaliland is the birth place for Somalis, nice try claiming our homeland. :drakekidding:
     
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  3. embarassing

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    @Young Popeye just attributes anything and everything to the Hararis. They didn't exist as a distinct people until after Nur Ibn Mujahid.

    It seems they are mainly Habesha muslims, which explains the language and Somalis. I've asked James Dahl about this and he actually studies these things.

    Heres the thread: https://www.somalispot.com/threads/punt-and-havilah.49996/
     
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  5. Grant

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    Here is a little more juice on the early years:

    "Imam Ahmad was born around 1507 in Zeila[25] or in the district of Hubat located between Zeila and Harar, around the current town of Fugnan Bira [26] Ahmed initially lived in Harar during the reign of Sultan Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad but due to the Sultans unislamic rule, he left to Hubat.[26] He married Bati del Wambara,,the daughter of Mahfuz governor of Zeila.[14]When Mahfuz was killed returning from a campaign against the Ethiopian emperor Lebna Dengel in 1517, the Adal sultanate lapsed into anarchy for several years, until Imam Ahmad killed the last of the contenders for power and took control of Harar."

    The source of this is:

    14- Richard Stephen Whiteway, Miguel de Castanhoso, João Bermudes, Gaspar Corrêa, The Portuguese expedition to Abyssinia in 1541-1543 as narrated by Castanhoso, (Kraus Reprint: 1967), p.xxxiii

    25- Briggs, Philip (2012). Bradt Somaliland: With Addis Ababa & Eastern Ethiopia. Bradt Travel Guides. pp. 10. ISBN 978-1-84162-371-9. http://books.google.ca/books?id=M6NI2FejIuwC&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q&f=false.

    26- 26.0 26.1 Kessler, David (1998). Noblesse oblige: essays in honour of David Kessler OBE. Mitchell Vallentine & Company. p. 209. ISBN 978-0-85303-356-1.


    Found in:

    http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrahim_al-Ghazi

    Notes for the sources are interesting and worth checking out.

    The article states Axmad was born either in Zeila or Hubat. Fugnan Bira (in the area of Hubat.) is also known as Gursum, the modern name. According to this, he spent his early years in Harar, before returning to Hubat.

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