The Kingdom of Kush: Our ancestral homeland

"Pharaonic Egypt is arguably the most famous ancient civilization on the African continent. This does not mean, however, that it was the only ancient civilization that sprang from African soil. Egypt’s southern neighbors, the Nubians (Egyptian for ‘gold’, due to the abundance of this precious metal in their lands), have had an uneasy relationship with the Egyptians over the millennia. At times, they were seen as allies of the Egyptians, while at other times they were seen as the wretched enemies. Under the Kingdom of Kush, however, the Nubians would conquer Egypt

The Kingdom of Kush was already in existence during the time of Egypt’s Old and Middle Kingdoms (ca. 2686 B.C. – 1650 BC). During this period, it was based around the settlement of Kerma, just above the Third Cataract of the Nile, in Upper Nubia. It was, however, only during the Second Intermediate Period that the Kingdom of Kush rose to power. As Lower Egypt fell to the Hyksos at the end of the Middle Kingdom, the Kingdom of Kush came to be the dominant power in Upper Egypt. The success of Kush as a regional power, however, is a puzzle that continues to baffle archaeologists. Without the conventional features of complex societies – a writing system, an extensive bureaucracy and major urban centers, the Kingdom of Kush’s success in controlling Upper Egypt seems to be an anomaly.



Location of Kush - Map of kingdoms, states and tribes in 400 BC Africa. (Creative Commons)

The control of Upper Egypt by the Kingdom of Kush, however, would not last for long. With the emergence of the 18th Dynasty in the mid-16thcentury BC, Egypt was able to present a united front against its Hyksos overlords. Having expelled the Hyksos, the rulers of the 18th Dynasty set their sights on its Southern neighbors. This resulted in the ending of the Kingdom of Kush, as Nubia became an Egyptian colony under the rule of a Viceroy of Kush. With the collapse of the New Kingdom (ca. 1070 BC), however, Egypt’s control over its southern neighbor was once again weakened, and the local elites were able to regain control over Kush. During its early days, the Kingdom of Kush was centered at Napata, in modern central Sudan.



Sculpture depicting the head of a Kushite Ruler, ca. 716-702 B.C. (Wikimedia)

The fragmentation of Egypt’s kingship in the 8thcentury BC was an opportunity seized by the Kingdom of Kush. Division and internal political instability in Lower Egypt allowed the Kushite king, Piye, to launch a successful campaign in about 727 BC, thus establishing the 25th Dynasty. In spite of this initial victory, Kushite rule in Egypt would last for less than a century. This was due to the expansion of the Neo-Assyrian Empire in the Near East. Although the Kushites were initially on peaceful terms with Assyria, Egyptian support for an anti-Assyrian coalition in the Southern Levant at the end of the 8th century BC sparked hostilities. In 671 BC, Egypt was invaded by the Assyrians, and the Kushite Dynasty of Egypt came to an end in 654 BC. This was not the end of the Kingdom of Kush, however, as they continued to survive in Nubia.

The survival of the Kushites can be found in the records of writers from the Roman period. Strabo, for instance, describes a war between the Kushites and the Romans during the 1st century BC. Although the Kushites were never absorbed into the Roman Empire, its power was in steady decline. By the 4th century AD, raids by nomads from the south and the east would severely sap the power of the Kushites. Eventually, the emerging Kingdom of Axum in Ethiopia would capture and burn the Kushite capital of Meroe to the ground, thus marking the end of the Kingdom of Kush".

Featured image: Nubian pharaoh Taharqa, son ofPiye, Ancient Egyptian 25th dynasty and king of the Kingdom of Kush (Image Source)

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Our ancestors were amazing :salute:
How come we've regressed so far back? They were building a civilization and ruling Egypt while we fight over watering wells in 2017.
 

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People shift languages all the time. Plus, this isn't about languqge, but about ancestry.
Nubians for example, are Cushites who have shifted to Nilo Saharan languages.
Then who is this supposed to be decepting?



Tip: here are some modern Nubian ladies who haven't been Arabized and have kept their languages:

 

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Then who is this supposed to be decepting?



Tip: here are some modern Nubian ladies who haven't been Arabized and have kept their languages:

The people of Kerma spoke a proto Eastern Cushitic language. That was an earlier time period.
 
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Then who is this supposed to be decepting?

Tip: here are some modern Nubian ladies who haven't been Arabized and have kept their languages:
Nubians were originally Cushitic speakers who later switched to a Nilo and then to an Arabic language.

Most of them don't look anything like Nilotes:





They cluster with Bejas, Tigres, Tigrays etc. They are not Nilotes.
 

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YouTube is full of AA kneegrow babble about Nubians , Cushites , etc.
That recent study on Ancient Egyptian dna qarxised them good. Their Afrocentric claims are now forever a joke. Ancient Egyptians were less ''black'' than Modern Egyptians, contrary to what the Afronuts claim, i.e. that Modern Egyptians are ''Arab invaders'' who replaced the ''black Ancient Egyptians''.
 

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That recent study on Ancient Egyptian dna qarxised them good. Their Afrocentric claims are now forever a joke. Ancient Egyptians were less ''black'' than Modern Egyptians, contrary to what the Afronuts claim, i.e. that Modern Egyptians are ''Arab invaders'' who replaced the ''black Ancient Egyptians''.
My Hotep senses were going crazy today. I should've known it was going to be you. I have already proven to you countless times that those studies were fake. Here are some images from the real Egyptians and not the fake Arabs.

First Egyptian King


Builder of the Great Pyramid (looks just like a Beja and a Nubian)


One of the most powerful Kings of Egypt


"One of the most well-preserved statues of a Pharoah of Egypt" (Oxford University)


A well-preserved statue of a Queen of Egypt


King Tut's well-preserved tombs (as you can see, the paint didn't oxidize that much and it still kept it's brown color)


How king Tut saw himself



How the Europeans say he looked like... (look at the lips of the golden mask)




 

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My Hotep senses were going crazy today. I should've known it was going to be you. I have already proven to you countless times that those studies were fake. Here are some images from the real Egyptians and not the fake Arabs.
Modern-day Copts are the closest genetic relatives to the Ancient Egyptians. They are Caucasian people:

 

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Modern-day Copts are the closest genetic relatives to the Ancient Egyptians. They are Caucasian people:

That's bullshite, and you know it. Copts (and Muslims, as they were Copts who converted to Islam), are descended from Ancient Greek invaders/settlers. Just look at some of their damn names: Greek.
 

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I don't know about other people, but my ancestors were humble fishermen off the North Bari coast.

I just don't get, why people are soo eager to be linked with Ancient Civilizations, going back 2k+ years, while their current state is in utter shambles. It's like they're trying to make up for their current state, which is just damn right sad.
 
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Modern-day Copts are the closest genetic relatives to the Ancient Egyptians. They are Caucasian people:

Let me start off by debunking the stupid study that you mentioned above.

"In their paper, the researchers acknowledged that “all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eveals-their-ancestry/?utm_term=.eaab62101b46

This quote alone debunks their study because they only went to one grave and the fact that they themselves admit that their study does not represent the real Egyptians.

"Importantly, there is evidence for foreign influence at Abusir el-Meleq. Individuals with Greek, Latin and Hebrew names are known to have lived at the site and several coffins found at the cemetery used Greek portrait image and adapted Greek statue types to suit ‘Egyptian’ burial practices. The site’s first excavator, Otto Rubensohn, also found a Greek grave inscription in stone as well as a writing board inscribed in Greek. Taken together with the multitude of Greek papyri that were written at the site, this evidence strongly suggests that at least some inhabitants of Abusir el-Meleq were literate in, and able to speak, Greek."
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694?proof=true&error=cookies_not_supported


This is where the DNA samples were taken from. They were basically studying the DNA of Greeks and Romans.

Now onto your question about the mixed copts.

You won't believe me, but will you believe the founding father of Egyptology who deciphered the Egyptian language using the Rosetta Stone?
This is what he had to say about the Egyptians and the Copts:

"The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt, we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt. It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.”
From Letters published by Champollion-Figeac (Founding Egyptologist).

But what does science have to say about the copts?

According to Y-DNA analysis by Hassan et al. (2008), around 45% of Copts carry the haplogroup J. The remainder mainly belong to the E1b1b clade (21%). The next most common haplogroups borne by Copts are the Western European-linked R1b clade (15%), as well as the archaic African B lineage (15%).

As you can see they are a mix of all their conquerors.
 

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That's bullshite, and you know it. Copts (and Muslims, as they were Copts who converted to Islam), are descended from Ancient Greek invaders/settlers. Just look at some of their damn names: Greek.
Ignorant fool, the Copts have no Greek or Arab admixture, they are more native to Egypt than the Arabized Muslim Egyptians who carry more foreign admixture.

Copts are the real Ancient Egyptians, study produced by a Sudanese University:

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996
 

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Let me start off by debunking the stupid study that you mentioned above.

"In their paper, the researchers acknowledged that “all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eveals-their-ancestry/?utm_term=.eaab62101b46

This quote alone debunks their study because they only went to one grave and the fact that they themselves admit that their study does not represent the real Egyptians.

"Importantly, there is evidence for foreign influence at Abusir el-Meleq. Individuals with Greek, Latin and Hebrew names are known to have lived at the site and several coffins found at the cemetery used Greek portrait image and adapted Greek statue types to suit ‘Egyptian’ burial practices. The site’s first excavator, Otto Rubensohn, also found a Greek grave inscription in stone as well as a writing board inscribed in Greek. Taken together with the multitude of Greek papyri that were written at the site, this evidence strongly suggests that at least some inhabitants of Abusir el-Meleq were literate in, and able to speak, Greek."
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694?proof=true&error=cookies_not_supported


This is where the DNA samples were taken from. They were basically studying the DNA of Greeks and Romans.

Now onto your question about the mixed copts.

You won't believe me, but will you believe the founding father of Egyptology who deciphered the Egyptian language using the Rosetta Stone?
This is what he had to say about the Egyptians and the Copts:

"The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt, we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt. It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.”
From Letters published by Champollion-Figeac (Founding Egyptologist).

But what does science have to say about the copts?

According to Y-DNA analysis by Hassan et al. (2008), around 45% of Copts carry the haplogroup J. The remainder mainly belong to the E1b1b clade (21%). The next most common haplogroups borne by Copts are the Western European-linked R1b clade (15%), as well as the archaic African B lineage (15%).

As you can see they are a mix of all their conquerors.
This whole thing of 'Copts being the Ancient Egyptians', is nothing more than an anti-Islam narrative, which seeks to make out the Copts being the indigenous people of Egypt, thus they should rule the country, and not the Muslims. What they love to leave out is, that the bulk of Egyptian Muslims, were too Copts, who gradually converted to Islam over the last 1400 years Islam has been around. Heck when Napoleon took Egypt in the late 1700s, the Muslims were around 70% of the populations, while Copts were 30%. Today it's at 90% Muslims, 10% Coptic.
 

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Copts form a genetic cluster with the Beja! While the Arab Muslim Egyptians do not even form a cluster with Northeast Africans.

The Muslim Egyptians in Egypt are LESS Egyptian than the Copts. This is a hard fact.
 
I don't know about other people, but my ancestors were humble fishermen off the North Bari coast.

I just don't get, why people are soo eager to be linked with Ancient Civilizations, going back 2k+ years, while their current state is in utter shambles. It's like they're trying to make up for their current state, which is just damn right sad.
Wtf are you on? Why you always gotta be so edgy?
Maybe SOME people are just interested in history and finding their deep origins?
 
Walahi, you people never cease to amaze me...There is no room for learning a proper discussion on here. Instead, you resort to pathetic meme's mocking your own roots.
Are you all that ashamed? Is it that hard to believe your ancestors were apart of major African kingdom at some point?
The Somali self hate and nacasnimo has reached new levels. Smh.
 

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Walahi, you people never cease to amaze me...There is no room for learning a proper discussion on here. Instead, you resort to pathetic meme's mocking your own roots.
Are you all that ashamed? Is it that hard to believe your ancestors were apart of major African kingdom at some point?
The Somali self hate and nacasnimo has reached new levels. Smh.
TELL THEM :salute:
 

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