Somali people actually won but they don't see it

[AbdiMajad]

I hear Somalis talking about having terrible land and Somalis won't be existing by this century and all this other nonsense I keep hearing. They don't realize that their ancestors with such a small population conquered the most territory in Africa in terms of ethnic land.

I mean we live in a modern world where you can turn sand into a fertile soil while Somalia has no deserts but arid and luckily some of our land is fertile. In southern Somalia we have Jubba and Shebelle valleys and in between Bay and Bakool. The fertile lands in southern Somalia alone is bigger than Bangladesh and yet Bangaldesh can feed all their people with a small coast while southern Somalia can feed more than 300 million people and with their long coast it has trillions of fish.

Plus, southern Somalia is not the only fertile lands but you have for example in Somaliland like lowland Gabiley region and east Awdal region, highland Sanaag region with some fertile lands found in Sheikh mountains and odweyne lowland. Than you have parts of fertile land found in Nugaal region and alot in central Somalia specifically in Harardhere.

Gabiley farmlands

Sanaag highland farms

Harardheere, Mudug

Somalis don't realize that they have no deserts but only arid with some fertile lands. We can easily transform our arid lands into rich fertile lands very easily. I mean China said they will convert sand into soil and by 2030 china will be 100% fertile. If they can turn their sand into soil then we can easily turn our arid soil into rich soil even quicker since our land is not big as China.

Look how China is converting western China (Desert lands) into fertile lands where agriculture can take place.


We can turn our seasonal rivers into permaninent rivers and expand our major rivers like Jubba and Shabelle rivers and make it bigger than river Nile in width.

If china can regreen an area that is bigger than Somalia in less than 30 years, and India can recreate dead rivers in 20 years, whats stopping the somali people to do the same?

Increase the Jubba and Shebelle river water flow.

Turn the Togdheer to a longer lasting water body, creating cultivable land in the nugaal valley

Allowing terrace farming in the gulf of Aden and Daroor valley

Lakes in Galgudug feed from ogaden basin rivers. Lakes in central Sanaag feeding the Togdheer ,and Daroor rivers, making a lot of money for tourist destination that can rival the Maasai Maraand and Mombasa at the same time, since it's a natrue reserve for animals and has a beach and marine life.

Rivers can beautify cities too, making Hargesia, Burco and Garowe into mini londons with rivers cutting through, forests help the mini water cycle, can also cool down the climate around it. We need to plant more trees and that will help trap moisture and will protect the river from extreme evaporation.


I mean look how many dry rivers we have in Somalia. It's all over the place, we can turn them all into permanent rivers very easily.

 

[AbdiMajad]

@Bohol Can you put this on development section please? I made a mistake putting this in Somali politics.

 

[Shushue]

The wrong people got the best land...

 

[RasCanjero-]

I hear pathetic Somalis crying about having terrible land and Somalis won't be existing by this century and all this other nonsense I keep hearing. They don't realize that their ancestors with such a small population conquered the most territory in Africa in terms of ethnic land.

I mean we live in a modern world where you can turn sand into a fertile soil while Somalia has no deserts but arid and luckily some of our land is fertile. In southern Somalia we have Jubba and Shebelle valleys and in between Bay and Bakool. The fertile lands in southern Somalia alone is bigger than Bangladesh and yet Bangaldesh can feed all their people with a small coast while southern Somalia can feed more than 300 million people and with their long coast it has trillions of fish.

Plus, southern Somalia is not the only fertile lands but you have for example in Somaliland like lowland Gabiley region and east Awdal region, highland Sanaag region with some fertile lands found in Sheikh mountains and odweyne lowland. Than you have parts of fertile land found in Nugaal region and alot in central Somalia specifically in Harardhere.

Gabiley farmlands

Sanaag highland farms

Harardheere, Mudug

Somalis don't realize that they have no deserts but only arid with some fertile lands. We can easily transform our arid lands into rich fertile lands very easily. I mean China said they will convert sand into soil and by 2030 china will be 100% fertile. If they can turn their sand into soil then we can easily turn our arid soil into rich soil even quicker since our land is not big as China.

Look how China is converting western China (Desert lands) into fertile lands where agriculture can take place.


We can turn our seasonal rivers into permaninent rivers and expand our major rivers like Jubba and Shabelle rivers and make it bigger than river Nile in width.

If china can regreen an area that is bigger than Somalia in less than 30 years, and India can recreate dead rivers in 20 years, whats stopping the somali people to do the same?

Increase the Jubba and Shebelle river water flow.

Turn the Togdheer to a longer lasting water body, creating cultivable land in the nugaal valley

Allowing terrace farming in the gulf of Aden and Daroor valley

Lakes in Galgudug feed from ogaden basin rivers. Lakes in central Sanaag feeding the Togdheer ,and Daroor rivers, making a lot of money for tourist destination that can rival the Maasai Maraand and Mombasa at the same time, since it's a natrue reserve for animals and has a beach and marine life.

Rivers can beautify cities too, making Hargesia, Burco and Garowe into mini londons with rivers cutting through, forests help the mini water cycle, can also cool down the climate around it. We need to plant more trees and that will help trap moisture and will protect the river from extreme evaporation.


I mean look how many dry rivers we have in Somalia. It's all over the place, we can turn them all into permanent rivers very easily.

We're blessed but not 300 million people blessed.

Avg precipitation in the south is less than 300 ml and the rivers won't be able to feed us all.

Time to accept that and start thinking for solutions around it like Israel (water shortages) & Japan (energy shortages).

 

[Shushue]

It’s funny that the elders who run the country don’t even have these concerns.

All they think is sitting in a chair forever until they die.

They’re happy if the road is fucked and they get a bowl of rice and a cup of tea.

They have no aspirations beyond this.

 

[AbdiMajad]

We're blessed but not 300 million people blessed.

Avg precipitation in the south is less than 300 ml and the rivers won't be able to feed us all.

Time to accept that and start thinking for solutions around it like Israel (water shortages) & Japan (energy shortages).

I've already expained it. Did you not read this all? If Somalia cultivated Jubba and Shabelle rivers and in between. We can easily feed 300 million people since Gedo, Middle Jubba, Lower Jubba, Hiraab, Middle Shabelle, Lower Shabelle, Bay and Bakool together is extremely fertile and combined is much bigger than Bangladesh.

All I said was Somalia can turn all their arid land into the rich soil fertile lands since China is converting its desert into forest and farmlands in western China which is bigger than Somalia.

I mean we turn our seasonal rivers into a permanent river and have you not forgotten how much water much Somalia has? We have abundance of water like seasonal rivers always flowing towards the ocean when we can block it and create a dam for it. We can do rainwater harvesting and we can start digging underground water which is found plenty across Somalia not to mention mountain waters found in Sheikh, Cal Madow and Galla and they are in their abundance. Somalis have so much water and we can utalize all of them if we had a great population and a great government but sadly we are cursed.

Start water harvesting, start tree planting, start educating nomads on bettering their lives, start landscape restoration, restoring catchments.

Maybe who knows in 20 years Somalia will be 100% green.

 

[wars]

I hear pathetic Somalis crying about having terrible land and Somalis won't be existing by this century and all this other nonsense I keep hearing. They don't realize that their ancestors with such a small population conquered the most territory in Africa in terms of ethnic land.

I mean we live in a modern world where you can turn sand into a fertile soil while Somalia has no deserts but arid and luckily some of our land is fertile. In southern Somalia we have Jubba and Shebelle valleys and in between Bay and Bakool. The fertile lands in southern Somalia alone is bigger than Bangladesh and yet Bangaldesh can feed all their people with a small coast while southern Somalia can feed more than 300 million people and with their long coast it has trillions of fish.

Plus, southern Somalia is not the only fertile lands but you have for example in Somaliland like lowland Gabiley region and east Awdal region, highland Sanaag region with some fertile lands found in Sheikh mountains and odweyne lowland. Than you have parts of fertile land found in Nugaal region and alot in central Somalia specifically in Harardhere.

Gabiley farmlands

Sanaag highland farms

Harardheere, Mudug

Somalis don't realize that they have no deserts but only arid with some fertile lands. We can easily transform our arid lands into rich fertile lands very easily. I mean China said they will convert sand into soil and by 2030 china will be 100% fertile. If they can turn their sand into soil then we can easily turn our arid soil into rich soil even quicker since our land is not big as China.

Look how China is converting western China (Desert lands) into fertile lands where agriculture can take place.


We can turn our seasonal rivers into permaninent rivers and expand our major rivers like Jubba and Shabelle rivers and make it bigger than river Nile in width.

If china can regreen an area that is bigger than Somalia in less than 30 years, and India can recreate dead rivers in 20 years, whats stopping the somali people to do the same?

Increase the Jubba and Shebelle river water flow.

Turn the Togdheer to a longer lasting water body, creating cultivable land in the nugaal valley

Allowing terrace farming in the gulf of Aden and Daroor valley

Lakes in Galgudug feed from ogaden basin rivers. Lakes in central Sanaag feeding the Togdheer ,and Daroor rivers, making a lot of money for tourist destination that can rival the Maasai Maraand and Mombasa at the same time, since it's a natrue reserve for animals and has a beach and marine life.

Rivers can beautify cities too, making Hargesia, Burco and Garowe into mini londons with rivers cutting through, forests help the mini water cycle, can also cool down the climate around it. We need to plant more trees and that will help trap moisture and will protect the river from extreme evaporation.


I mean look how many dry rivers we have in Somalia. It's all over the place, we can turn them all into permanent rivers very easily.

We need to invest in border protection and build a wall to protect us from immigrates who enter the country illegally.


Our agriculture specialist @DesertStorm what is your take?

 

[AbdiMajad]

Somali peninsula is blessed with fertile soil but at the same it's also blessed with arid lands because Arid just means dry soil but the soil can easily transform since it has the elements to be a rich quality of soil.

Take it for examle a Garre man from Mandera planted over one thousand coconut tree where he turned a massive land scape of arid land into fertile farmlands.


Just look how Chinese are turning their desert lands in western China to fertile cultivated lands and forest which is bigger than Somalia and in 20 years all their lands will become 100% green. Somalia doesn't even have deserts but arid soil which doesn't need too many process to turn fertile but only water and I've already explained it how we can increase alot of water by creating underground dams to save seasonal river waters and rainwater. We can also expand our rivers and turn many dead rivers into permanent rivers. We Somalis have such a blessed land and can make it the greenest country in Africa if we unite and end tribalism, corruption and Wahhabism.

 

[RasCanjero-]

I've already expained it. Did you not read this all? If Somalia cultivated Jubba and Shabelle rivers and in between. We can easily feed 300 million people since Gedo, Middle Jubba, Lower Jubba, Hiraab, Middle Shabelle, Lower Shabelle, Bay and Bakool together is extremely fertile and combined is much bigger than Bangladesh.

All I said was Somalia can turn all their arid land into the rich soil fertile lands since China is converting its desert into forest and farmlands in western China which is bigger than Somalia.

I mean we turn our seasonal rivers into a permanent river and have you not forgotten how much water much Somalia has? We have abundance of water like seasonal rivers always flowing towards the ocean when we can block it and create a dam for it. We can do rainwater harvesting and we can start digging underground water which is found plenty across Somalia not to mention mountain waters found in Sheikh, Cal Madow and Galla and they are in their abundance. Somalis have so much water and we can utalize all of them if we had a great population and a great government but sadly we are cursed.

Start water harvesting, start tree planting, start educating nomads on bettering their lives, start landscape restoration, restoring catchments.

Maybe who knows in 20 years Somalia will be 100% green.

Love the enthusiasm but even at it's peak; the discharge on both rivers doesn't pass 100 cubic metres per second.

We don't have the water to turn Somalia green overnight.

It doesn't matter how much fertile land you have (which we're also lacking) if you don't have the water for it.





Put your energy towards finding new innovations that we could export to the global market.

What's more urgent; food or farms?

Self sufficiency is important but until we have the resources and energy to create it; we should focus on other things first.

Let's become the food processing hub for all of East Africa to turn their raw produce into finished products ready for retail stores.

Let's become specialist in managing the whole value chain from farm to store in order to make sure we always have access to food.

Let's dominate the companies involved in those sectors by becoming a financial centre that invest and insures the supply chains we're involved in.


Once we pull that off we could spend a couple billions to change the hydrology in Somalia.

 

[RasCanjero-]

Somali peninsula is blessed with fertile soil but at the same it's also blessed with arid lands because Arid just means dry soil but the soil can easily transform since it has the elements to be a rich quality of soil.

Take it for examle a Garre man from Mandera planted over one thousand coconut tree where he turned a massive land scape of arid land into fertile farmlands.


Just look how Chinese are turning their desert lands in western China to fertile cultivated lands and forest which is bigger than Somalia and in 20 years all their lands will become 100% green. Somalia doesn't even have deserts but arid soil which doesn't need too many process to turn fertile but only water and I've already explained it how we can increase alot of water by creating underground dams to save seasonal river waters and rainwater. We can also expand our rivers and turn many dead rivers into permanent rivers. We Somalis have such a blessed land and can make it the greenest country in Africa if we unite and end tribalism, corruption and Wahhabism.

What do you mean by underground dams?

True... turning all our soil more fertile would soak up more rain instead of letting 99% evaporate like it does atm.

However have you calculated the cost for that mega project?

Turning soil fertile requires a ton of expensive chemicals and water.

Probably near to $5-$10 per sqm.

Now multiply that by 10 billion for just 1 million hectares.

 

[Crow]

@AbdiMajad Excellent thread!

@AbdiJew Can you feature this thread?

 

[Huncho]

In Gabiley region so much of the water in the rainy season is wasted.They need to damn the valleys and practice far more advanced agriculture but all of this cost money which the local governments and the SL government doesn't have.In essence Gabiley region just like other Somali regions is fucked because of the lack of money.

 

[Yaquub]

I hear pathetic Somalis crying about having terrible land and Somalis won't be existing by this century and all this other nonsense I keep hearing. They don't realize that their ancestors with such a small population conquered the most territory in Africa in terms of ethnic land.

I mean we live in a modern world where you can turn sand into a fertile soil while Somalia has no deserts but arid and luckily some of our land is fertile. In southern Somalia we have Jubba and Shebelle valleys and in between Bay and Bakool. The fertile lands in southern Somalia alone is bigger than Bangladesh and yet Bangaldesh can feed all their people with a small coast while southern Somalia can feed more than 300 million people and with their long coast it has trillions of fish.

Plus, southern Somalia is not the only fertile lands but you have for example in Somaliland like lowland Gabiley region and east Awdal region, highland Sanaag region with some fertile lands found in Sheikh mountains and odweyne lowland. Than you have parts of fertile land found in Nugaal region and alot in central Somalia specifically in Harardhere.

Gabiley farmlands

Sanaag highland farms

Harardheere, Mudug

Somalis don't realize that they have no deserts but only arid with some fertile lands. We can easily transform our arid lands into rich fertile lands very easily. I mean China said they will convert sand into soil and by 2030 china will be 100% fertile. If they can turn their sand into soil then we can easily turn our arid soil into rich soil even quicker since our land is not big as China.

Look how China is converting western China (Desert lands) into fertile lands where agriculture can take place.


We can turn our seasonal rivers into permaninent rivers and expand our major rivers like Jubba and Shabelle rivers and make it bigger than river Nile in width.

If china can regreen an area that is bigger than Somalia in less than 30 years, and India can recreate dead rivers in 20 years, whats stopping the somali people to do the same?

Increase the Jubba and Shebelle river water flow.

Turn the Togdheer to a longer lasting water body, creating cultivable land in the nugaal valley

Allowing terrace farming in the gulf of Aden and Daroor valley

Lakes in Galgudug feed from ogaden basin rivers. Lakes in central Sanaag feeding the Togdheer ,and Daroor rivers, making a lot of money for tourist destination that can rival the Maasai Maraand and Mombasa at the same time, since it's a natrue reserve for animals and has a beach and marine life.

Rivers can beautify cities too, making Hargesia, Burco and Garowe into mini londons with rivers cutting through, forests help the mini water cycle, can also cool down the climate around it. We need to plant more trees and that will help trap moisture and will protect the river from extreme evaporation.


I mean look how many dry rivers we have in Somalia. It's all over the place, we can turn them all into permanent rivers very easily.

It's official somalia will become a fish and chips country. It's shameful how all these years went by and we have not yet developed our country.

 

[Shushue]

It's official somalia will become a fish and chips country. It's shameful how all these years went by and we have not yet developed our country.

Yeah it’s a shame.

What will you do?

 

[AbdiMajad]

In Gabiley region so much of the water in the rainy season is wasted.They need to damn the valleys and practice far more advanced agriculture but all of this cost money which the local governments and the SL government doesn't have.In essence Gabiley region just like other Somali regions is fucked because of the lack of money.

I heard Gabiley region has an abundance of water underground and lose a lot of wasted fresh water during the seasonal period that always reaches to Gulf of Aden. Apparently with this much water can supply water to 60% of Somaliland total population and now add that to the rest of Somaliland with the seasonal valleys, rainwaterater, underground water, well water and mountain waters in Cal Madow and Sheikh mountain. All of that can provide 20 million people with water supplies. Now add that to the rest of Somalia. We can literally distribute water to many nations. Now imagine increasing our waters with the methods I presented earlier, we'd make Israel a dirt poor joke water nation compare to Somalia.

Now I don't even want to talk about Greater Somalia territory with fresh water because we're going to make a lot of foreigners very angry and jealous.

 

[Shushue]

I heard Gabiley region has an abundance of water underground and lose a lot of wasted fresh water during the seasonal period that always reaches to Gulf of Aden. Apparently with this much water can supply water to 60% of Somaliland total population and now add that to the rest of Somaliland with the seasonal valleys, rainwaterater, underground water, well water and mountain waters in Cal Madow and Sheikh mountain. All of that can provide 20 million people with water supplies. Now add that to the rest of Somalia. We can literally distribute water to many nations. Now imagine increasing our waters with the methods I presented earlier, we'd make Israel a dirt poor joke water nation compare to Somalia.

Now I don't even want to talk about Greater Somalia territory with fresh water because we're going to make a lot of foreigners very angry and jealous.

Whos that person on your profile pic?

 

[AbdiMajad]

Whos that person on your profile pic?

A Dir Sultan of Dire Dawa (Dir Dhabe).

 

[Yaquub]

What do you mean by underground dams?

True... turning all our soil more fertile would soak up more rain instead of letting 99% evaporate like it does atm.

However have you calculated the cost for that mega project?

Turning soil fertile requires a ton of expensive chemicals and water.

Probably near to $5-$10 per sqm.

Now multiply that by 10 billion for just 1 million hectares.

Green wall project cost china 8 billion for 9 million acres of forest.

 

[Yaquub]

Yeah it’s a shame.

What will you do?

I plan to invest when i can and maybe buy some farmland and export food. Since that's what most somalis seem to be allergic to.

 

[AbdiMajad]

Green wall project cost china 8 billion for 9 million acres of forest.

To be honest. The reason why it cost 8 billion because it's a desert not to mention the fact that it's bigger than Somalia. If Somalia were united and stable, our GDP would be a hundred times bigger than it is now. Since Somalia has no deserts but arid lands meaning it just needs more water and more tree planting and khalas, all of Somalia would be green just like Jowhar.

Jowhar is the most beautiful farmlands in Somalia by far. Shout out Beesha Abgaal!

Anyways, the cost won't be that much but first we have to be peaceful and developed then we can plan an idea of creating a 100% green Somalia.