Somali Monarchist Come In

[DR OSMAN]

As Somali Monarchist we demand that history is preserved and unchanged like the rest of the world and demand an automatic 'change' to the name of Somalia changing from 'republic' to a 'monarchy' since this is the truth now as it was then, a republic means the 'land is owned by all somalis' which is total bullshit and not observed anyway in Somalia.

Trying to copy the American system of republic which at least is not a republic in name but truly evident in the society that they are 'truly a republic' because all americans can rule which ever area of America since they disregarded all the history of the english and started a new chapter of creating an 'american' identity based on 'citizenship' alone giving all it's people equal rights and access to any part of that land. This is true it does actually work there however that is a far cry when u see Somalia where it's only a 'republic in name' but clearly 'monarchy' in culture and society.

All Somalis do not have the right to rule anywhere in Somalia be it village-town-cities. They do not have the right to 'graze' freely like we saw with the 'DDSI' smoking 'HG' nomads. A republic only leads to this belief 'that dhulka waa la wada lee yahay' when in-fact 'waa la kala lee yahay'. This must be presented in our constitution that this land wala kala lee yahay based on monarchy or else u will find more and more squatters justifying their squatting using this 'republican' nonsense and demonizing you for 'clannism' when in real fact it's not clannism that is responsible but 'preserving the monarchy powers'.

Somalis think clannism has no 'root in somalia' like 'cawaan', clannism is used to 'defend and preserve' The Isimo and it's authority, their 'holding' their land for their 'aristocrats' not just holding the land for 'clan purpose' that is unguided. I can't hold onto a land that doesn't report to an 'oday dhaqan' meaning an 'aristocrat' these are equivalent of land barrons of the UK in the past who were thus representing their 'monarchy' in the land. A republic will work against our long held traditions-cultures-and monarchy and if the constitution doesn't get updated to reflect this reality their will be continous clashes between the historical astriocracy vs the govt as they are two 'legit' govt one of the past and one that is trying to form a govt based on 'republic'.

Read Somali constitution very carefully and u will see it's saying HG can travel around the nation and settle, graze, and displace who-ever they so wish and have the legal system protecting him on the idea 'dhulka somali ba leh' since he is somali, the land isn't yours nor for the isimo or aristocracy, this will lead to a weakening of the aristocracy as we saw in the 'south' with the italians totally de-legitimazing their rule and has led to mogadishu where we are not 'guests' in mogadishu, we are republicans who are demanding mogadishu is all somalis kkkk however in our own lands we argue 'aristocracy' wax is qaadayso ma aha labadu. Kaagi wala wada lee yahay iyo kaygi ana leh waxay ka timada republicans iyo monarchist attitudes still circulating in society.

Somalia hasn't discussed this big 'elephant' in the room and I love touching on topics where it's not 'discussed 'since 'bakhti ayaa la qariya'. I always touch on areas to do with 'clan, aristocracy, monarchy, islam' have u noticed? these are 'elephants' in the room that can stir emotions. Somalis haven't even discussed the role of the aristocrats(isimo) and the govt and has a constitution that is not 'reflected' in the land, if it was all somalis would be able to settle, graze, and rule any land in somalia and since we do not see this on the ground, your form of govt is totally outside the norms of your people.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The problem stems from a republic giving full power/authority to the people and disregarding the past and aristocracy, in-fact the aristocracy will be jailed or exiled if they do not comply with the new republican laws especially when they say 'your land is shared with all somalis' and they will settle, graze, and all the resources are Somalis, when it's not the case and will cause bloodshed to happen because their defending the 'system of the aristocrats' and will destroy that republican govt of equalizing the somali people like we saw with american n monarchy wars.

This republican idea has been found to be from sayid abdulle 'somali ha isracdo' ha 'midowdo' wax la kala lee yahay ma jiree, iyo wixi dalkasi ka dhacay waa aragteen, and u will if u follow in his republican philosophical nonsense you will also inherit his outcome. His own aristocrats kicked him out the absame that should tell u something. We don't support a republic and making the land and people the same and equal, we support nothing less of an aristocracy based on a monarchy, we dont want aristocrats on republican govt ama mid dawlada soo magacowdo based on DHAXAL AND HISTORY

 

[DR OSMAN]

When u see Somalis arguing on land matters be very careful to listen how one is defending the past and historical rulers of the land indicating(monarchist attitude) and another is arguing(somalinimo) which is a republican idea that no somali is above or less then each other to the land or resources. Till today u will see this clash and in the past they used to shame the aristocrats and call them 'land barrons' that is what the 'republicans' would say like u see the republicans calling anyone that defend the isimo as 'clannist' their trying to de-legitimize them thru ideas that your against 'somali nationalism' and want to continue on the old world cultures and governance. Where-as the monarchist attitude of these people is to call them 'peasants' who haven't earned their 'status' and want more then what their history contributed.

Monarchist believe in nasab(nobles), and gun(not noble), it does hold onto a vicious class system based on purely the 'aristocracy' it will not change these type of status and adopt the republican mindset that there is no noble, there is no gun, there is no clan authority based on 'oday dhaqan' their not 'land barrons' their 'superior class of people' based on the recommendations of their people and have joined the 'monarchy' to work within that 'institution' as it's far more legit in somalia and respected then these 'republican' rat bags born out of sayid abdulle revolution. Somalis had their republican n monarchy battles, lets not see a repeat of this again is what I am promoting. I do not hold onto all somalis are one and the same call me status elitist, clannist, land barron, or whatever u want you 'ignoble peasant' but u won't nudge me because I know the philosophy your running around with is not in the hearts of the people anyways since majority are clear monarchist in heart and republican-nationalist only in 'slogans'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@486th President I would set a 'strategy' for Somalis if u want to be 'successful' u need to 'target' everything n anything that is considered 'rare' in the world and stay the hell away from areas that r 'not rare' or else u will be considered among the 'unproductive' of the world, been igama ah. Why put your time into an occupation that is just apples-onions-oranges when u know this isn't 'rare' in the world nor will it change your people's status. Skills r based on 'rareness' in the market, somalis shud target 'rare skills' and educate ppl there.

The direction given to them by our leaders is the problem niyahow and makin them focus on 'areas' that will just lead to the cycle continuing. I mean look at your name 'abgaal thick girls' yet that is not 'rare' and u wasted ur time on something that is silly.

 

[486th President]

I mean look at your name 'abgaal thick girls' yet that is not 'rare'

I’m suprised you know it’s not rare thanks for talking

 

[DR OSMAN]

I’m suprised you know it’s not rare thanks for talking

What's rare is 'educated abgaal' target those if i were u n let them keep their big booty shorties that is oversupplied that it's lost any 'rareness' too it. Humans love 'rare' or things in 'short supply' this leads to 'demand' and that is the success model. Nothing else

 

[486th President]

What's rare is 'educated abgaal' target those if i were u n let them keep their big booty shorties that is oversupplied that it's lost any 'rareness' too it. Humans love 'rare' or things in 'short supply' this leads to 'demand' and that is the success model. Nothing else

Your an informative person are you currently majoring in something

 

[DR OSMAN]

Your an informative person are you currently majoring in something

I am an indian jones somali as history is 'rare' and love travelling to 'iraq' in it's war state and visiting the 'rare artifacts' kkkk and storing it away for my family to use in the future when it's good 'time to sell' kkkkk. Their xoolos niyahow

 

[DR OSMAN]

Even the egyptians protect their ancient sites kkkk not that xoolo iraqi

 

[486th President]

Even the egyptians protect their ancient sites kkkk not that xoolo iraqi

Before I go historical I have a question... why don’t you post in the general section though

 

[DR OSMAN]

Before I go historical I have a question... why don’t you post in the general section though

Dont u see how PL is being looted in the sea for the 'rarest' fishery, they ain't taking just 'fishes' in 'droves' which they do but they really want the 'rare' fish that isn't available in the world. Everything is about the 'rare' value of it, if it lose rareness u r forced to work on 'size' now and 'weight' in order to get 'value'. Like @Asli will need to 'bulk' her 'cocanut creams' up untill it's 1 million 'stock' to get anything out of it, for me my one 'rare iraqi' artifact is going to sell for far higher cause its real 'wealth' kkkkk

 

[486th President]

Dont u see how PL is being looted in the sea for the 'rarest' fishery, they ain't taking just 'fishes' in 'droves' which they do but they really want the 'rare' fish that isn't available in the world. Everything is about the 'rare' value of it, if it lose rareness u r forced to work on 'size' now and 'weight' in order to get 'value'. Like @Asli will need to 'bulk' her 'cocanut creams' up untill it's 1 million 'stock' to get anything out of it, for me my one 'rare iraqi' artifact is going to sell for far higher cause its real 'wealth' kkkkk

A rare artifact would be you in the general section we’ll welcome you there I promise it’s warm and cozy there

 

[DR OSMAN]

@486th President it's not artifacts that is precious but all 'antiques' meaning it has to be 'rare' before it's considered an 'antique' or else it will be 'measured' on how much exists in the world to 'derive' it's value. So don't promote to your people farming, cause the derivative value will be measured against the 'world farmers' and u will enter a world '1 dollar' products. Focus on 'rare' metals especially 'rarer then gold' like 'platinum' or 'emeralds' I am not sure I haven't looked into the market on metals commodity but I know if i do, i will ask what is 'rarest' metal before I begin a 'strategy' not join the race where there is 'derivative value' will be applied on it's 'market value' based on the 'suppy n demand'.

A supply/demand only applies to 'determine the value' of someting already in the market and the rarer it is in the market, the higher the value is the role. Imagine you had something that the whole market 'lacked' there is no 'supply/demand' derivative value applied anymore you just scored the 'jackpot' kkkkk u beat the 'derivative value' system of the market place kkkk of measuring based on supply/demand. This is not just history or antiques but every field in humanity, look for the 'rarest' and u got 'starting point' at least rather then joining the 'hordes' and suffering derivative valuing system since it's now flooding the world they need to balance it now on something called 'weights'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farjano-Walad our aristocracy 'oday dhaqan' are not necessarily 'oday qabiil' there not 'clan elders' for the sake of 'clan' they holding onto an old culture and tradition and class system that falls under the jurisdiction of monarchies or sultanates. So I hate when I hear the term 'clan elder' it's not really understanding what their role is, they think their just 'elders' for the sake of it, their carefully chosen on history, dhaxal, status, knowledge, and knowledge of the culture and they play an advisory role to the monarchs or sultanates. A clan elder is more appropriate in HG, that's a clan elder purely chosen cause he is either 'old' no other merit since they have no 'culture' their defending, they fall under the republican somali card kkkk.

Their citizen of the state, we are also citizens of the state but we have our separate 'historical institutions' which need to be harmonized at all times and this means HG-SHEIKHAAL-ISAAQ are not 'citizens' of PL/JL unless they lived there originally and have status there in the 'isimo', or else they wasting time arguing their somali citizens and considering PL/JL is they're land, notice how they continously 'claim' other ppl lands, their using that 'republicanism' shit that promotes were all subjects of somali nationalism nah mate only u r, u aint coming and destroying my historircal institutions and culture just cause u lack one

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Farjano-Walad our aristocracy 'oday dhaqan' are not necessarily 'oday qabiil' there not 'clan elders' for the sake of 'clan' they holding onto an old culture and tradition and class system that falls under the jurisdiction of monarchies or sultanates. So I hate when I hear the term 'clan elder' it's not really understanding what their role is, they think their just 'elders' for the sake of it, their carefully chosen on history, dhaxal, status, knowledge, and knowledge of the culture and they play an advisory role to the monarchs or sultanates. A clan elder is more appropriate in HG, that's a clan elder purely chosen cause he is either 'old' no other merit since they have no 'culture' their defending, they fall under the republican somali card kkkk.

Their citizen of the state, we are also citizens of the state but we have our separate 'historical institutions' which need to be harmonized at all times and this means HG-SHEIKHAAL-ISAAQ are not 'citizens' of PL/JL unless they lived there originally and have status there in the 'isimo', or else they wasting time arguing their somali citizens and considering PL/JL is they're land, notice how they continously 'claim' other ppl lands, their using that 'republicanism' shit that promotes were all subjects of somali nationalism nah mate only u r, u aint coming and destroying my historircal institutions and culture just cause u lack one

No one should claim citizen of Jubaland unless his ancestors shed blood conquering the land and killed the wild natives and tamed the place,

wonder why Hawiye who are much closer to jubaland than Ogadens were, i mean Ogaden/Absame had to come from Emay, western Ogadeniya, Dagaxbuur, fiiq, Qabridahar, warder, godey, yet managed to conquer the place and went all the way to deep inside central Kenya river tanan, or Tanaland

since the hawiye, biomal, eley were much closer to jubaland and toays Kenyan, why did it take a superior man from Absame/Ogadeniya to conquer the lands despite travelling much further with men power, weapons, adminstration?

the answer is simple, the Ogaden/Absame had a massive advantage other somali clans did not have: we had pressure, for centuries we were froced to defend against habashi and oromo hordes, whilst other somali were literally protected by us Absame as border walls,

why do you get King Wiil waal pushing the oromo back and the ahmara and canfaar in 1730s whilst other somalis were sleeping in their desert?

its like why the white men is more economically developed, because he has to deal with cold and snow weather, or he will die if he does not invent a heating system, in door plumbing etc, the african just has a really nice weather and eats from ready grown banana trees, no pressure,

the Absame had pressure, this is why i believe the Ogaden/Absame was superior at warfare and this is from centuries of border defence experience or he would have been assimilated like many Dir/marehan/karanley have been assimilated by oromo in the last couple of centuries or worse, killed off so my ancestors fought and built administrations


I have another proof that Ogaden/Absame had superior administration and warfare like skills and immediately developed Monarchies/Boqortoy to run things in Jubaland

the white men were wring about in late 1800s

the Harti were not so skilled in war, look at Ogaden/Absame who took on eley in bakool, buuns in luuq, wardey, boran, mukamba, samburu, turkana, masai etc yet Harti could not fight small langab tuuni and always needed help

harti could not fight back a single small clan with out help from just Mohamed Zubeer, not even Ogaden or Absame, whilst Absame was busying conquering and eating all the way deep to mountain kenya and Girigir

evidence :

In 1868, a few Mijertein Hert i arrived by sea and settled at Kismayu in order to trade, "much to the disgust of other Somali", according to Christie. They were later strengthened by further contingents arriving over-land and, in alliance with the Mohamed Zubeer Ogaden from Afmadu, they were able to drive off the Tunni to the north as well as the Galla remnants to the south. ^

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Again, only one Ogaden sub clan Mohamed Zubeer comes to the rescue, helps harti defeat Tunni but when Mohamed zubeer is busy down south, Harti is eaten,

until Big Daddy Caghdeer Mohamed Zubeer Ogaden comes to the rescue to help Harti against jarer-freed slaves who set up wagosha, eley and tunni and small other clans,

The Tunni were not only quite strong, but they also had powerful allies to whom they could turn in times of need, and the following year, helped by the Wagosha and Rahanwein, they attacked both the Herti and the Ogaden. The Tunni were once again defeated. However, this time the fight had been close, and they now turned to Ahmed Yusuf, the powerful Sheik of Geledi, for the assistance they needed to overcome the Darod In 1870 Yusuf headed an alliance that defeated the Herti and drove them back to Kismayu.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

again, Ogaden karbashing enemies to help our short Harti cousins, when they were over whelmed,

As early as 1873 Kirk had noticed two distinct settlements of Somali around Kismayu, the Herti and the Ogaden, the 2© had been no more than the usual rivalry between them and on many occasions they had helped each other in their struggles against the Tunni. Now, however, their rivalry was based on a blood feud since Muhammad Ismail, head of the Herti, had committed suicide after being arrested by the Arabs and their Ogaden allies.

Harti always needed Ogaden/Absame help to fight and keep Kismayo despite us Ogaden conquering Kismayo from wardey way before Harti arrived, but what made us less obsessed with Kismayo is the fact we conquering deep interior, Garisa, wajir, all the way to luuq and deep in central Kenya river Tana and een went deep to mountain kenya/tanzania borders,

it took 5,000 Ogaden lads in 2012 to return Harti to kismayo, just the way it took Ogaden/Absame men to make sure harti was not wiped out in kismayo in 1860s/1870s,


Big Daddy cagheer Ogaden always protecting his Harti cousins, @DR OSMAN give me credit warya,

deep an Mj ?Harti fears Ogaden/Absame because he knows once he sits the elephant cannot be moved, this is why Harti prefer isaaq, hawiye, marehans, they can easily deal with them, manioulate them langabs, bully them, threaten them, but fear the Absame who has no need for harti in terms of man power, money or influence in africa, it amazes me the harti moan we created jubaland when uncle Yusuf Hajii kenyan Ogadne minister of defence crreated it loool - let them boast

On the coast, the Herti likewise found themselves unable effectively to oppose the Tunni in the north.

 

[manosi789]

no qabiil will accept anther qabiil to rule over them , same reason they feud over poor destitute states.Only a conquerer/ unifying council and long term thinkers among the somali regardless of clan laangaab or laandheer can bring any form of peace and stability and honor to us

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Big Daddy Caghdeer Ogaden/ Absame alwasy giging hand to his little harti cousin,

In the period prior to 1880, the Ogaden had on several occasions assisted the Herti in their struggles against the Tunni at the mouth of the river Juba, despite the fact that Ogaden interests were centred further inland and to the south;

its not even Ogaden, its just Mohamed Zubeer


Ogaden had kingdoms /Monarchies that even embarrassed the white travellers,

@DR OSMAN this is why i admire monarchies, langabs hate it,

Even as late as 1895 in Jubaland and NFD, the political structure of the Ogaden could be described as, a limited monarchy, composed of a sultan with has council of sheiks or chieftains of clans, and bears a resemblance to that of the Sovereign and nobles of early British history. The wealthy lords hold the offices of Prime Minister, Chief Judge, Commander in Chief and so forth by reason of the strength of 56 their following and their own social position. The tenure of their offices, land and property generally is to a great extent feudal.

Perhaps, this is why @DR OSMAN admires Ogaden/Absame so much and hates langab moryaans with our royal history or lack monarchies, he is right, he finds them moryaans because they are less stable and less honest and less trust worthy for a man needs to rule people as asking with history, dhahxal, ancestors who died for God, King and country, the other langab do not have this


When Ogaden/Absame was fighting white powerful nations in 1800s, all other somalis were sleeping on the wheel, not even aware what was happening in their next door village

Ogaden/Absame is Somali history, this is why we need to declare our own ethnic group, its horrible being part of this useless race

sources:

https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29105/1/10731200.pdf

THE PASTORAL TRIBES OF NORTHERN KENYA 1800 - 1916 b y Edmund Romilly Turton

 

[Farjano-Walad]

no qabiil will accept anther qabiil to rule over them , same reason they feud over poor destitute states.Only a conquerer/ unifying council and long term thinkers among the somali regardless of clan laangaab or laandheer can bring any form of peace and stability and honor to us

this will only happen if we get a soviet tyope, though i hate the communist, stalin was not russian, krushev and brezenev were both Ukranian, heck lenin was mixed with many miorty blood thus was not a full white russian,

yet they all protected and defend the Russian empire, mad eher strong, focused on her, and even helped the eastern slaves be freed from nazi aggression and created republics for them,

we need a man focused on the country, but if he is langab it will not happen, the only man who truly can pass through the fold is an Ogaden, he is the only landeer, all others are too langab and have cuqdad, even Mj had so much cuqdad against Ogaden they would appoint an oormo to be head of WSLF just to make sure no Ogaden had influence, stupid Mj, this is why we worked wioth said barre until the buun too had cuqdad just like cigaal and Mj and isaaq and hawiye, how do you deal with a cuqdad like this? when every leader has so much cuqdad deep down, thus we need an Ogaden to lead somalia or lets break up like we were back before colonialism each men did his own thing

no langab should rule and since i am Ogaden and everyone else is a langab to me, i cannot see anyone else ruling rightly excerpt me, if i was a small langab dude i would say let abgal or Mj rule but remember to me all of these are langab, relatively speaking,