Somali Colonial/Modern Population Estimation Analysis

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This is my honest analysis on colonial n modern estimations done by colonial and UNFPA

The problems is what I will first point out on these estimations and the solutions that all Somalis can agree on. Do I have an emotional investment(of course), I am declaring my bias publically but that doesn't dismiss the fact the methods I suggest will even make me a believer irrespective of the outcome.

I won't deny the outcome due to my emotional bias. I am not that type of person, as I love 'truth' even if it's against me and my emotions, as long as the methods make sense and their is no 'holes' that can be found.

First I will partially dismiss Wikipedia, even tho I like it, I never accept it as the total 'story or fact but glean over it for the 'theme or one side of the story' especially if the topic contains an emotional 'aspect' which these topics usually do such as 'history, population, philosophy, politics, cultures, religion' as we know these topics have an emotional 'factor' involved and the goalposts(conclusions) are subjective depending on the narrator, so take these considerations on-board

So now we got past that. The reason I dismiss Wikipedia on Somali clan population is outright stupidity such as the HAGS for example claiming their the largest somali tribe and their source is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawiye Alasow, Omar (2010). Violations of the Rules Applicable in Non-International Armed Conflicts and Their Possible Causes. p. 32.

I am dismissing it not because the author is a Somali or 'HAG' or has a HAG name, the truth can be with anyone. I am dismissing it because the wikipedia claim wrote a 'claim' that hawiye is the largest clan in all somali tribes and then sourced it to a page of a 'book' written by a HAG author not demonstrating the 'claim' has any conclusive method or conclusive data, that all people can accept. U can't just source a claim in a book that is a 'claim' and use that as a 'source' for your claim in wikipedia. This is outright deceptive or ignorance being promoted

He also claimed that HAG stretch from 'central, south, into Ethiopia, and Kenya' which is very in-correct, Hawiye do lives in 'pockets' of each area doesn't mean Hawiye 'stretches' and controls all those lands, that's a correct statement which any1 can verify on the ground. That alone dismisses him also, an unsubstianted claim that is 'defying' the actual 'territories' as we know it and what everyone can verify on the ground. This is a dangerous trend 'online moryanism in academics'.

This sort of online moryanism can be taken by non hag academics such as myself as conclusive evidence that 'HAG' demonstrated a false narrative on population nor did anyone in their clan 'stop' them from humiliating the clan in the world stage. So it's safe to say 'honest educated people do not exist in HAG and that can be used as further evidence by non-hawiye clans that this clan cannot be trusted in it's civil war narrative, politics or anything in local/foreign matters cause they demonstrated they 'lied' on somali tribe population nor did anyone in their clan retract or stop them. Some Somalis like me assume HAG narrative on anything is similar to their narrative on population always incorrect, false, deceptive. So why do we vote these people into power? that's something for Somalis n international community to ponder the evidence I pointed out.

Now that is over, now we have people referring to colonial book estimations, the problem with this is.

1. Colonial making claims in a book about population without any method provided is simply a claim. Just becuz some neutral foreigner said something doesn't make it true unless a method or data reference is provided. Now we have HAGS and Isaaqs using this on the spot, it's no different to the HAG book claiming their the largest tribe but the only difference is the person saying it is not Somali doesn't make it a fact. Their is world wide established process to reach facts and conclusions and online moryanism only hurts your clans if you resort to it(it can be used against u to say your also moryan in politics)

I must concede when I read the Isaaq wikipedia they don't make these claims and they do indeed have academics who have 'controlled' their clan so people like me a 'darod' cannot use that to discredit them to Somalis and the world and thus question their politics isn't based on the same premise as we can with Hawiye.

2.The other problem is using the colonials estimation claim, lots of people moved south during that time, the clan demographic was vastly different.

Modern estimations used now is UNFPA, again they provided no estimation reference for pastoral families such as (the volume size and number of water infrastructure, all the locations so it can be verified) nor did they provide a repeatable and consistent 'method' used to reach these estimation conclusions. So just because the UN endorsed this doesn't make it true, infact it can be used to discredit the UN integrity for using estimation models not following agreed academic methods(repeatable n consistent) across it's claim.

The final nail in the coffin Im not sure I should refer to it but Isaaqs used to use a 'CIA estimation' when we know CIA use 'local intel' sources which can be not always factual unless 'demonstrated method' is provided to them, why I dismiss the CIA, it's the same agency who got non factual intel regarding Iraq WMD. If they were incorrect on that, what makes you think their estimation model isn't? Im not saying it's 100% provable it's not factual, they didn't provide any 'method' to refer too.

Now what's the solution, is it more claims made by people, no. We need to sit down as Somalis and agree to repeatable and consistent model that is applied to all our lands. The below method is far more accurate in my opinion and I would accept their outcome and Im sure Somalis would also. Make sure all Somalis sign they endorse the model before it's started is the key, so if they refuse it, that can be used to discredit them for dishonesty and put to question if their clan are spoilers.

The Model I suggest is repeatable and consistent and can be applied to all clans equally to reach a confident outcome within a margin of error.

Rural population technique

1. Water infrastructure(dams, wells). Measuring volume and livestock population it can support. Agree on a livestock to population ratio average
2. Measurement of pasture(daaqsin, goof). The size of the land is critical to measure how much livestock it can support(laangaab, landheer) is real.

Urban population Model

1. Area SQ measurement of towns, villages, cities. Zoning out villages, towns, neighborhoods to clans. Assume average house and land dimension(20 x 20) and measure every 'area sq km' against number of homes.
2. Electricity infrastructure generation capacity against the population it can support. Each house will be measured and average will be agreed on house usage against the capacity.
3. Water infrastructure and the population it can support

Before urban population model is tested, we need to test our model for a margin of error that is with an acceptable range. Nairobi would be good place to measure their electricity/water infrastructure using our model and compare it against their census and see what the margin of error is and repeat the process untill it's within an aacceptable range.

All Puntites and Somalis, this will finally settle our population or be the most reliable model that all can work with and pass to international community without discrediting them for accepting faulty claims.

I will conclude somaliyay 'caqliga aan isku adeegsano, not xabada'. Lets use our brains to settle issues not bullets. PPL will find that far more irrefutable then 'emotion' ama 'cadifaada'. Yes it's an emotional topic, I agree. We all want to be landheere I agree, but we can't dismiss 'reason n intellect for it'. I heard a wise saying 'In your mind u can feel like the richest person' but the fact n evidence is your 'bank balance'. That's the difference between emotion n reason. I am not saying we dismiss our emotions, it's there and will forever be there and we need to declare it immediately to ourselves and others so we at least look credible, but lets not let our emotions be over-run by not accepting reason/intellect, that will only discredit your clans and can be used against you as spoilers.

So let judgement day come for Somalis when their 'numbers' are told to them, do not resort to emotion or bullets or somalis will write down that incident as apart of your clan history to show Somalis and the world the clear patterns emerging for your clan like is seen with 'HG' and their conflict n green line with every clan in the nation, that's a 'trend or pattern' somalis n the world will see and has hurt their chances of coming to power in the nation, so now they back 'abgaals' who r pro hg which will hurt abgaals also in the long-run. I must say not all abgaals but 'wacaysle' has taken this route not 'harti abgaal' leaders who don't want to be buried with HG in political credibility.
 

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This was a long 'essay' but somali problems are 'long' problems. If u guys read it, u will see my analysis on the population problem and solutions provided. The problem with somalis is they all scream and complain about everything but provide no alternative solution so it turns to 'vacuum or chaos' as we witness in the nation and this is very un-academic position to take.

As for HAGS my abtis, Haji Ingris and the like are hurting you more then you care to see, Darods wikpedia doesnt hurt them 'way iska gabtan nacaskooda' which u guys don't in somalia or online or in the academics. The darod say they 'believe' their the largest clan that is an 'opinion' where-as HAGS say THEY ARE, that's huge difference in the academic sphere.

U can be discredited along with ur clan in political legitimacy, your clan narrative on somalia n the civil war if it can be proven your being dishonest in other topics or not following world wide accepted processes and replacing that with 'cadifad or emotion' or blatant 'online moryanism'.

Darods in my opinion are far more educated then the rest of the nation, it could be due to our large diaspora from fleeing 91 civil war, but when I see HAGS elite base, wallahi I don't want to laugh but cry and sometimes even 'conceal' their weakness due to abtinimo( an emotion my clan has seen me which is true) and fear their clan credibility is on the line all the time they allow online moryanism that can be shown to be faulty and then put to question your clan credibility on all 'topics' relating to Somalia and the war.
 
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It' judgement day for Somalis the day they read my essay on how to settle landheere/langaab arguments


arnold schwarzenegger film GIF



My dad is eager to see a reliable model also he said when I spoke to him on the phone. He said i'll get my glasses on and 'scan my daaqsin n villages for bah dubays' to register for the somali population commitee (a guddi of all clans) to cross check the fact finding teams.

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Somalis I am an academic mentally, you need to know the world wide established processes before you make bold statements and claims regarding a topic(no online moryanism) is allowed or it can be used to dis-credit your clan agenda, honesty on all topics as a result. Honesty is very important, deception gets u nowhere but hurts your clan legitimacy in the long run.

Now im not saying don't be emotional, if u say your not, that alone discredit you, but dont u DARE and I say DARE let 'reason n intellect' or testable facts with no holes in it, don't u DARE substitute your emotion or bullets for it, that is the difference. Don't come on TV and say your 'somali wadani' when their no evidence and counter proof your not, that hurts your 'clan' more then it does any good. Come out and declare your bias, emotions, we all have them but don't u DARE let it effect ur reason n intellect. I love Darod n Majerten but I won't let them tell me the Sun is ours and we created it lol.
 

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Siyad was right dal wuu ka tagay lakin dad kama tagin. Their a country but no civilized people.

I think Habib Farah wrapped it up well. SL=Talk all day with khat. PL = Gossip all day. South = Use bullets all day.



That now explain a-lot about our nation. All the regions resort to 'emotion' first, remember emotion is within us and it needs be declared publically not hidden or ppl will start to look for holes in your arguments or agenda and discredit you. Don't let intellect/reason over-rule you. The first region oo caqliga wax isku sheego(reason n intellect) will be an industrial nation overnight, that's the truth. Plus your local n global credibility will rise a nation based on brains, everyone will welcome into the world.
 
Siyad was right dal wuu ka tagay lakin dad kama tagin. Their a country but no civilized people.

I think Habib Farah wrapped it up well. SL=Talk all day with khat. PL = Gossip all day. South = Use bullets all day.



That now explain a-lot about our nation. All the regions resort to 'emotion' first, remember emotion is within us and it needs be declared publically not hidden or ppl will start to look for holes in your arguments or agenda and discredit you. Don't let intellect/reason over-rule you. The first region oo caqliga wax isku sheego(reason n intellect) will be an industrial nation overnight, that's the truth. Plus your local n global credibility will rise a nation based on brains, everyone will welcome into the world.
How did you not figure out a long time ago that somalis are a very emo people
 

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When ppl criticize me on qabyalad(im honest person who has emotions) but i don't let it get out of hand to deny reason n intellect if presented. Emotion like i said is how u feel(I feel rich), fact n evidence is your bank balance. I can 'feel' rich but when financial measurement is done im not. That's the difference. U can keep your emotion and declare it, and not look like a hypocrit, but don't let reason n intellect or facts n evidence and the established academic process play second fiddle.

I hate HG for one reason and I demonstrated this clan is the reason why we are here and the evidence trail that I found on them thru deep research on somali civil war leads back to them.

1. Fighting every clan, green line
2. Creating HAGNIMO but using it to move south to displace natives
3. Every non state actor instability roots back to them(terrorism. warlords, looting n reinvesting into telecoms which is why no-one wants to see somali get oil as telecoms will get rich and spreaad chaos worldwide)

After seeing these facts, I concluded this clan has to be STOPPED, that's why their politically 'untouchbables' today.
 

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How did you not figure out a long time ago that somalis are a very emo people

I'll do another reconciliation model for the nation(repeatable, consistent, effective) but brutally grounded in reason n intellect and those who deny it will be seen as clan spoilers cuz it works for everyone. A nation of ppl that hates itself is unworkable, that's why we don't support the govt as it reflects the hate we have for each other due to the civil war.
 

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@Neero Reconciliation ma aha 'waan ku caafiye' lol like somalis say and then tommorow he is plotting your death n downfall, that's not reconcilation, that's justs empty words reconciliation that leads nowhere and gets us laffed out from the world. We need social/religious/political reconciliation. True reconcilation is 'justice' applied thru 'harsh evidence n intellect' and ppl crying to each other after. Wa in indhaha layska gala not 'conceal or dismiss' their is huge hidden problem that is coming out thru violence. Violence has a root origin(dad gar daro iska galay) resort to violence.
 

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@Neero true reconcilation requires the following traits

1. Indhaha layska galo or as we call it frank brute exchange using evidence/facts.
2. Root cause analysis to rural/urban/political/religious conflict(how it started, agenda behind it, desired resolution, lessons learned to avoid future)
3. Resolution model all parties agree to irrespective of 'verdict' if in favor or against them, signed by all stakeholders representing their clans at the federal level and regional n tuulo issues separate process.

When I see Somalis cry to each other at every village to city over the crimes they did to each other then I know reconcilation is 'true' and not 'waan ku cafiye' and running to ur clan n terrorists to attack nonsense(that makes us look primitive)

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@Neero I suspect Puntites r the least emotional, emotion shows itself thru anger n violence which we see the most with non-darod clans, u can observe thru their clan hisstory since 91, they r emotional when they start to war and it makes us look primitive ppl.
 
@Neero I suspect Puntites r the least emotional, emotion shows itself thru anger n violence which we see the most with non-darod clans, u can observe thru their clan hisstory since 91, they r emotional when they start to war and it makes us look primitive ppl.
This i agreed with
 

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I sincerely hope that once Somalia get established as a stable nation a national census takes place, every figure on Somalia's modern population is always an estimate that fluctuates by a factor of more than 10 million people.
 

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I sincerely hope that once Somalia get established as a stable nation a national census takes place, every figure on Somalia's modern population is always an estimate that fluctuates by a factor of more than 10 million people.

Even when censuses r done in africa their not acknowledged or endorsed by locals or international. Even if Somali census is done we need the estimation models I suggested to cross-verify against hard infrastructure, area sq, density, urban/rural household averaging, daaqsin coverage as can the land even support large population n livestock is critical
 

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@ecipde im pretty sure we can create estimation technique that will satisfy ppl intellect/reason till census is done that is within range. We can even apply our estimation technique on known censuses like nairobi and work out the margin of error on our technique n factor that when doing judgement day number crunching

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When I see a true reconcilation following an agreed intellect/reason model(nidaaam) and all actors political/religious/traditional/social have representives there, then I will be a nationalist wadani, till them PIM all the way in my heart then be stuck in a nation that is run on 'feelings' which is heading nowhere
 

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We already have a census in PL, 60,000 adult population in Bosaso it looks like. Voter registration will be very important in knowing how many people live in Somalia.
 

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We already have a census in PL, 60,000 adult population in Bosaso it looks like. Voter registration will be very important in knowing how many people live in Somalia.

Only kaah is registering no other party is campaigning for its ppl to register. The registeration will be 25% of the population region wide, and the turn out for voting 80-90% of the 25% giving kaah a false 'victory' but the opposition party can clearly show their not participating to the I.C
 

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We already have a census in PL, 60,000 adult population in Bosaso it looks like. Voter registration will be very important in knowing how many people live in Somalia.

Im anti HG becuz I found the epicenter of the civil war from beginning till now and every instability mashruc they are the founder, green lines, false hagnimo to keep hag eye on darod while u settle their lands. I am half murusade half mj, your worst nitemare
 

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We already have a census in PL, 60,000 adult population in Bosaso it looks like. Voter registration will be very important in knowing how many people live in Somalia.

The only good thing I found about u lot is your 'genuine loyal' to watever u support, i wish it was only dawladnimo
 

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