Somalis know who held a conference in Borama. Notice not a single Isaaq can produce video documentary of their conference or even get any dhulbahante 'garaad' to say they attended? Why can't you just get the Dhulbahante Garaads to say please speak on TV to say you attended and agreed to Somaliland project. If 1993 conference was real, why did they have an internal isaaq war in 1995, which was 2 years later? It was because the conference was not genuine conference, it was probably similar to our 2004 Somali Conference with 'few rogue politicians' sitting there.
There was no ISIMO who approved of it. There was no reconciliation of clans and paying 'mag' for deaths that occurred between tribes. I reject Somaliland as a state that was born through grass root bottom up approach, I consider Somaliland a JABHAD state that continues to use violence against people to force them into accepting their policies. PL used not a single tank on any Harti village, they all came willingly to PL to help create a state that protects their tribal region and also more importantly WORK on the Somali project which is what ALL HARTIS BELIEVE IN.
We don't claim we created Somalinimo, we admit who the source is and Somalis also do. That's why they had a statue of Sayidka in Mogadishu and not Boqor Osman or Warsangeli Sultan who pursued 'tribal kingdoms'. They came from an era were 'blood' was more important to them then if you spoke the same language. They couldn't fathom creating a state from 'common language, religion, culture' with other Somalis, since the most important identity to them was 'tribal and blood based'. If I was alive then, I would've also rejected Sayid vision as something very new and shocking and untried, I would've backed the Boqor Osman army wallahi like my awoowe did. I don't like anything which is 'new' myself, I prefer the comforts of what 'works' not what hasn't been tried.
That's why I still reject @Apollo vision of racialism being a uniter, I hate new ideas. I am very neo-traditional which is not perfect sticking to the past always. Sometimes we have to be open to new Ideas. Let's invite @Apollo and all the cushite racialist to demonstrate how this 'new' project is going to work, after all the sayid project worked and now all Somalis have moved towards his 'vision' and you see the hearts of people loving each other on Somalinimo even inside and outside the nation. So could racialism work? I can't fathom convincing my people to accept someone who has thin hair, thin nose, and nice skin color and make him your leader.
They will cry does he speak the same language as me? does he have my culture, does he have my deen? remember they will use the 'sayid' points since they believe in his idealogy. I will have to tell them no he doesn't speak your language, he doesn't know your culture, he doesn't share a land with you nor a religion. I envision there will be a longer war against @Apollo and his cushite dream then even the 'sayid'. So lets stop creating new identities for them brother, it just leads to blood shed. It took sayid that long and darawish forces and blood shed all over Bariga Somalia to convince us of adopting this 'new culture' of respecting somalis on common language, religion, culture and shared land interest and creating and forging a super state with them. It took us Majerten so long. It took warsangeli so long also to swallow this damn pill. Their kingdoms were destroyed one being deported to seychelles(warsangeli sultan) and the other King Osman jailed in Mogadishu after Italy bombarded his kingdom. We the Majerten and Warsangeli were forced by colonials to accept Somalinimo, we didn't even accept it from Sayid as we warred with him.
We need Majerten and Warsangeli to sit down again, Habar Majerten style. We are the leaders of Somalia. We are always adapting and changing and succeeding at the same time. Warsangeli had a sultanate just like Majerten did. Their always at the same level with us in each generation. We need to review @Apollo cushite dream and see if it workable to unite people just because they 'look like each other'. I again am not supportive of it but anything is possible in this world. You see how long it took us to adopt Somalinimo and we still have 'tribal' identity as primary identity in Somalia, it's still REAL and used. It didn't disappear, it was accomodated in this new Somali vision.
Anyways That Borama conference in Isaaq has a lot of explaining to do. Why did you go to war in 95, if this shit was real and not 'made up'? why is it your state still uses 'force' if the people really want you or you share anything with them? see how terrible it is when you start a state on FAKE PREMISE? It ends in disaster. I know they won't do this for Somalia, PL is the only real state in Somalia if reviewed that was done without jabhad, tanks, or force or buying anyone. They had two principles a tribal state to protect it's tribe since somalia was a tribal mess at the time but they also realized they needed to work on a somali state so we can move beyond this tribal fkn mess. That tribal mess just translated to religious mess now. Tommorow it maybe 'dhalinyaro' vs 'dhalinyaro' mess or women vs women mess.
There was no ISIMO who approved of it. There was no reconciliation of clans and paying 'mag' for deaths that occurred between tribes. I reject Somaliland as a state that was born through grass root bottom up approach, I consider Somaliland a JABHAD state that continues to use violence against people to force them into accepting their policies. PL used not a single tank on any Harti village, they all came willingly to PL to help create a state that protects their tribal region and also more importantly WORK on the Somali project which is what ALL HARTIS BELIEVE IN.
We don't claim we created Somalinimo, we admit who the source is and Somalis also do. That's why they had a statue of Sayidka in Mogadishu and not Boqor Osman or Warsangeli Sultan who pursued 'tribal kingdoms'. They came from an era were 'blood' was more important to them then if you spoke the same language. They couldn't fathom creating a state from 'common language, religion, culture' with other Somalis, since the most important identity to them was 'tribal and blood based'. If I was alive then, I would've also rejected Sayid vision as something very new and shocking and untried, I would've backed the Boqor Osman army wallahi like my awoowe did. I don't like anything which is 'new' myself, I prefer the comforts of what 'works' not what hasn't been tried.
That's why I still reject @Apollo vision of racialism being a uniter, I hate new ideas. I am very neo-traditional which is not perfect sticking to the past always. Sometimes we have to be open to new Ideas. Let's invite @Apollo and all the cushite racialist to demonstrate how this 'new' project is going to work, after all the sayid project worked and now all Somalis have moved towards his 'vision' and you see the hearts of people loving each other on Somalinimo even inside and outside the nation. So could racialism work? I can't fathom convincing my people to accept someone who has thin hair, thin nose, and nice skin color and make him your leader.
They will cry does he speak the same language as me? does he have my culture, does he have my deen? remember they will use the 'sayid' points since they believe in his idealogy. I will have to tell them no he doesn't speak your language, he doesn't know your culture, he doesn't share a land with you nor a religion. I envision there will be a longer war against @Apollo and his cushite dream then even the 'sayid'. So lets stop creating new identities for them brother, it just leads to blood shed. It took sayid that long and darawish forces and blood shed all over Bariga Somalia to convince us of adopting this 'new culture' of respecting somalis on common language, religion, culture and shared land interest and creating and forging a super state with them. It took us Majerten so long. It took warsangeli so long also to swallow this damn pill. Their kingdoms were destroyed one being deported to seychelles(warsangeli sultan) and the other King Osman jailed in Mogadishu after Italy bombarded his kingdom. We the Majerten and Warsangeli were forced by colonials to accept Somalinimo, we didn't even accept it from Sayid as we warred with him.
We need Majerten and Warsangeli to sit down again, Habar Majerten style. We are the leaders of Somalia. We are always adapting and changing and succeeding at the same time. Warsangeli had a sultanate just like Majerten did. Their always at the same level with us in each generation. We need to review @Apollo cushite dream and see if it workable to unite people just because they 'look like each other'. I again am not supportive of it but anything is possible in this world. You see how long it took us to adopt Somalinimo and we still have 'tribal' identity as primary identity in Somalia, it's still REAL and used. It didn't disappear, it was accomodated in this new Somali vision.
Anyways That Borama conference in Isaaq has a lot of explaining to do. Why did you go to war in 95, if this shit was real and not 'made up'? why is it your state still uses 'force' if the people really want you or you share anything with them? see how terrible it is when you start a state on FAKE PREMISE? It ends in disaster. I know they won't do this for Somalia, PL is the only real state in Somalia if reviewed that was done without jabhad, tanks, or force or buying anyone. They had two principles a tribal state to protect it's tribe since somalia was a tribal mess at the time but they also realized they needed to work on a somali state so we can move beyond this tribal fkn mess. That tribal mess just translated to religious mess now. Tommorow it maybe 'dhalinyaro' vs 'dhalinyaro' mess or women vs women mess.
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