Should Somalia implement a Canton system similar to Switzerland?

[nanat]

Every sub, subsubclan or even subsubsubclan should be given the ability to govern their land, even if it's a small tuulo.
Let them generate their own revenue, run their political social economical affairs by themselves.
Some Cantons will be massive and some will be very tiny inside another large Canton like South Africa and Swatini or Lesotho.
It will teach every clan to be responsible and will be forced to manage their affairs properly.
The amount of power each Canton has in the FGS will depend on their population and economic output.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Every sub, subsubclan or even subsubsubclan should be given the ability to govern their land, even if it's a small tuulo.
Let them generate their own revenue, run their political social economical affairs by themselves.
Some Cantons will be massive and some will be very tiny inside another large Canton like South Africa and Swatini or Lesotho.
It will teach every clan to be responsible and will be forced to manage their affairs properly.
The amount of power each Canton has in the FGS will depend on their population and economic output.

At least your solution shows Somali characteristics(clan) not 'ignore' it or apply 'foreign' systems. It also takes into consideration the civil war legacy and political mistrust. It's definitely a possible model. Some may criticize that a 'tuulo' on it's own simply will never become self sufficient.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@nanat This in my opinion is the most suitable model for Somalia, since ppl locally are all jifi-jifi based and care for their own village, it addresses the civil war political mistrust also when their left to their own devices. I'd Love to have a Bah Dubays Canton, it would allow jifis be free to their own device and not need to do 'wada tashi' with other clans in a federal state. But the 'model' will need to be 'crafted' to ensure clans don't unite themselves to undermine other clans.

PL is big about 'decentralization' and passing govt duties to the tuulos. Noone gets helped in PL hadaysan iyagu wax dhaqaajin. Meaning they need a local council first to represent them, they need to identify their needs, begin local/diaspora fundraising, and then PL govt gives them assistance in their area of concern. Lakin what I do know is any clan who just sits there and doesn't begin something is not helped in PL, it doesn't matter what clan they are also. PL govt identified Sanag highway and Carmo communities to be given priority over all districts, becuz 'wax bay bilabeen'

Lakin any district who thinks that PL will help them without them helping themselves will continue to sit where they are and their 'social media calacaal' and pointing the finger noone will give any merit.

 

[nanat]

@DR OSMAN we'll have things that we'll share with each other like the Somali currency, telecommunication, electricity devices standard, food & drugs safety standards, driving licence, national ID, federal criminal police, federal court, criminal records, financial transactions records, electrical grid, national & border petrol army.
Anything else should be handled by the individual cantons

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN we'll have things that we'll share with each other like the Somali currency, telecommunication, electricity devices standard, food & drugs safety standards, driving licence, national ID, federal criminal police, federal court, criminal records, financial transactions records, electrical grid, national & border petrol army.
Anything else should be handled by the individual cantons

The army thing is thrown around like it's some easy task that can be delegated to the federal govt, but answer me how u going to dis-arm Puntites who won't even hand it over to their regional govt? big dreams, they will feel vulnerable if not having their own arms, especially rural areas where govt services such as police and courts are absent or weak.

Even the handing over the Somali currency to the federal govt is a dangerous thing as the federal govt can print secretly loads of counter-feit currency and flood your regional state si 'shaki' loo geliyo 'ganacsiga' as everyone will be scared to sell you goods when their is counterfeit circulating as that's lost money. It could even lead to a point where people cannot buy food-fruits-milk iyo wixi basic-ka ah as the business person fears selling it due to countefeits circulating and can create a famine situation. Currency manipulation is a war tool.

Imagine cadowga puntland they flood 2-5 billion USD worth of currency in somali shilling in Puntland, if not caught early and it circulates undetected, business ppl will have lost their goods-services-time to 'fake currency' it could be losses in the billions if it went undetected for 1 year.

 

[nanat]

The army thing is thrown around like it's some easy task that can be delegated to the federal govt, but answer me how u going to dis-arm Puntites who won't even hand it over to their regional govt? big dreams, they will feel vulnerable if not having their own arms, especially rural areas where govt services such as police and courts are absent or weak.

Even the handing over the Somali currency to the federal govt is a dangerous thing as the federal govt can print secretly loads of counter-feit currency and flood your regional state si 'shaki' loo geliyo 'ganacsiga' as everyone will be scared to sell you goods when their is counterfeit circulating as that's lost money. It could even lead to a point where people cannot buy food-fruits-milk iyo wixi basic-ka ah as the business person fears selling it due to countefeits circulating and can create a famine situation. Currency manipulation is a war tool.

Imagine cadowga puntland they flood 2-5 billion USD worth of currency in somali shilling in Puntland, if not caught early and it circulates undetected, business ppl will have lost their goods-services-time to 'fake currency' it could be losses in the billions if it went undetected for 1 year.

1. The army that petrols the Puntland area would be from Puntland simple as that or at least the majority of them.
The Swiss people are the most armed population in the world every community, individual can keep their fairarms.
Like in Switzerland you can keep a gun at your home, but bullet are not allowed unless you've received clearance for it.
So bullets will be handled by authorized companies or authorities under a strict regulations and background checks.
The army should also carry guns with small amounts of ammunitions, so they don't cause a lot of damage if they get off track for whatever sinister reason.

The 2nd question
Why would the federal government print fake money?
Solution for such a power abuse is to have representative from every canton at the federal institution that's responsible for currency printing.
And there's also advanced systems to deal with counterfeits in today's age.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

The only thing I want to share is Eid and Ramadan salaams

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Nana This is the pathetic govt who cant even be trusted with our airports as they have used it against Jubaland leaders. If You think they will not circulate fake currency to create mistrust and shut down of trade and even potential famines against regions they dispute with, you are naive.

Mogadishu govt should remain ceremonial and weak with no power amd only oversight and coordination role. Anytime u enpower these ppl in mogadishu they will use it against your region. I don't want my regional security with any mogadishu involvement as they will misuse this power like they did with airport isbaaros

If anything let the Mogadishu govt only focus on external border area with kenya and ethiopia areas and even then it must be a small force of federal forces so we dont make our neighbors suspicious and its better we don't expose our cards and keep our security all separate with a ceremonial federal general but he has only oversight role.

Sxb this petty govt in hamar is weaponizing travel bans on regions and if they can't manage such small role competently. Do not ask puntite to hand over any task especially security and currency or immigration. Hawiye doesnt know how to govern they are all like oppresed african American in the somali cultural context and only know how to fight who they see as the superior elites. Hawiye to govern ha sugin. Hawiye inu dagaalamo and chimp out is all we expect thats when their not in a xaan cuna trance.

 

[bidenkulaha]

With the new constitution we’ll be transitioning into a centralised country but federal in name only.

Good to see progress on the currency, fiscal and monetary policy will be controlled from the centre quite soon. The two most important powers in the country

 

[mohammdov]

But the Swiss have no tribes, they are ethnicities. They are not like the Somalis where there will always be strife over land and the big and powerful tribe will try to dominate the smaller one.
The only solution for Somalia is a strong central government and the removal of the idea of the tribe from the new generations,
not the tribe, which is backward and has not made for you a renaissance and a great country. We are not in the thirteenth century.

 

[Bari🐍]

With the new constitution we’ll be transitioning into a centralised country but federal in name only.

Good to see progress on the currency, fiscal and monetary policy will be controlled from the centre quite soon. The two most important powers in the country

What powers of PL will be transferred to the mayor of Xamar, can you tell me? It seems like you are out of touch with reality.

 

[Nin123]

But the Swiss have no tribes, they are ethnicities. They are not like the Somalis where there will always be strife over land and the big and powerful tribe will try to dominate the smaller one.
The only solution for Somalia is a strong central government and the removal of the idea of the tribe from the new generations,
not the tribe, which is backward and has not made for you a renaissance and a great country. We are not in the thirteenth century.

Somalia clans are by themselves operating like country. Somalia clan is political system by itself. Before the European came every clan was essentially country.

 

[Nin123]

What powers of PL will be transferred to the mayor of Xamar, can you tell me? It seems like you are out of touch with reality.

Have you heard his voice before he’s actually kid no more than 16 years older.
I think I saw it on laascanood thread. His af Somali is pure trash

 

[mohammdov]

Somalia clans are by themselves operating like country. Somalia clan is political system by itself. Before the European came every clan was essentially country.

Europeans were also tribal, but in the fifteenth century they stopped this and became patriots for their country But it will take some time for Africans to stop the tribal state
When the Europeans arrived, most of the south coexisted with each other. But the north and the more desert areas were tribal

 

[Abaq]

The only thing I want to share is Eid and Ramadan salaams

I would say each should have their own moon sighting committees

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Switzerlands cantons are not built on tribes sxb, its not different than the american or german federal states. Some of the canons/states like fribourg/bern are bilingual and some like graubünden even trilingual. the federal states just have more power than in america.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

the modern swiss state like germany was also built by force when the protestant areas of the old helvetic confederacy defeated the catholics and forcefully included them into the new state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderbund_War

So the situation was very different than in Somalia where no group won the civil war and is more powerful than the other

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

I would say each should have their own moon sighting committees

True, I wouldn't trust if told people in Dusamareb saw the moon and i should celebrate Eid tomorrow.

 

[Nin123]

Europeans were also tribal, but in the fifteenth century they stopped this and became patriots for their country But it will take some time for Africans to stop the tribal state
When the Europeans arrived, most of the south coexisted with each other. But the north and the more desert areas were tribal

And they replaced by system of hierarchy where is more than 90% of the people were peasants only less than 10% of people ruled them. Somali clan system is one of the best in the world because there aren’t any form of hierarchy within it.