Secularism a Dangerous Ideology

[Psychologist]

We cant rely on rules that our made 1400 years ago dawg. Secular is the only way to become a great nation but cool

 

[pirater]

while typing this in a secular country

 

[X29]

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These dudes live in a different reality secularism is the way if it wasn't most of the top economies in the world that are secular would fail

 

[Hali]

Does secularism truly exist?

If secularism is to separate state and religion it is virtually impossible to do so more specifically for European countries in which the church was always the head of state.

Government policy will always be influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the people and it is virtually impossible for anyone’s belief not to affect the views and policies they align or vote for.

Furthermore the vast majority of European laws were made by religious bodies or are derived from religious sources so how on earth can we say these countries are secular when the laws and ethics they use are religiously derived.

1/3 of UK state schools are church schools that means they are state funded, the Queen is still the protector of the faith, the Church of England is also known as the Conservative party at prayer so in actual fact Christianity is very much part and parcel of the UK government.
The question is how can anyone adopt secularism when even ‘secular’ countries are doing a bad job off it.

 

[Periplus]

There can be no democracy if you have Sharia.
What is Sharia ? Sharia is a set of rules which are imposed by the government.
Democracy is the ability to change the laws of a country because the majority wants it. But if you have Sharia laws then you cannot change the laws, therefore there is contradiction.
Sharia and democracy cannot go hand in hand, unless you want to give the citizens the ability to change the laws by voting for laws only if they are not opposed Sharia laws, but then it's a flawed democracy.

Honestly, I don't see why people here hate secularism so much when most of us benefit from it.
Giving freedom of speech and religion to everyone is just common sense.
You just need to look at the world today to see that the secular system produces a better standard of living, creates more scientists, doctors, engineers etc...

I was just stating observations.

Somalia does not need secularism but it needs democracy.

Because the infighting that happened for 20 years cannot be resolved with a dictatorship, it will make the next rebellion even worse. What Somalis need in the meantime is to have a system that they can control through the ballot box.

After people have forgotten the war and trust one another again, then people can debate other forms of governance.

 

[reer]

I was just stating observations.

Somalia does not need secularism but it needs democracy.

Because the infighting that happened for 20 years cannot be resolved with a dictatorship, it will make the next rebellion even worse. What Somalis need in the meantime is to have a system that they can control through the ballot box.

After people have forgotten the war and trust one another again, then people can debate other forms of governance.

somalia has the choice between a democracy with 4.5 (concept of 4.5 was only stopped through the gun from 69-91) like lebanon but no large scale development due to sectarianism. or large scale gradual development under a dictatorship. this is something liberal idealists cannot understand.

 

[Periplus]

somalia has the choice between a democracy with 4.5 (concept of 4.5 was only stopped through the gun from 69-91) like lebanon but no large scale development due to sectarianism. or large scale gradual development under a dictatorship. this is something liberal idealists cannot understand.

I believe that the Somali democracy in the 1960's would have eventually turned out okay.

Obviously in its first few years it was shaky but after maybe 20 years, it would have become a stable democracy.

Our neighbor Kenya were having sectarian tit-fot-tats when Somalia was progressing as a democracy. Now, the difference could not be clearer.

 

[reer]

I believe that the Somali democracy in the 1960's would have eventually turned out okay.

Obviously in its first few years it was shaky but after maybe 20 years, it would have become a stable democracy.

Our neighbor Kenya were having sectarian tit-fot-tats when Somalia was progressing as a democracy. Now, the difference could not be clearer.

somali populace is dumb. there is no way to dispute that. you have to be double nacas to give them the same rights as qualified officials. most somalis are too dumb to rule. xoolo. if siad barre never existed the pro western government would have been overthrown in a coup anyway. a former colony in political strife that uses the same political and economic system as its colonizer while simultaneously being bent over backwards by its colonizer? there would have been radical change.
lebanon democracy is what it would have looked like. you cant make controversial decisions because of a shitton of red tape and demographics. the issues of irredentism and beefing up the army were stalled due to red tape and disagreements.

democracy is shoved down the throats of africans like its more important than food. africans are the only non whites who prioritize it like a 2nd religion. african democracy is a farce.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

This Ideology has caused so much bloodshed in our lands from MSB and his secular Kacaan leveling Hargeisa to the ground to different secular rebel groups wrecking havoc to the foreign secular soldiers occupying Somalia today. Nothing as dangerous as this terrorist Ideology in Somalia.

Some Somalis have been radicalised by the mass media and actually believe in this godless ideology. So how can we do reverse brainwash on the miskiin public who was brainwashed. I believe we have to control the social media like the chinese government and have our own YouTube,WhatsApp and other apps.

On the contrary secularism as an ideology has failed and was only propagated by the elite minority that rule muslim countries. Despite their attempts of trying to force it on the masses, it hasn't brought about the results they wanted. The reason being the average muslim simply do not espouse such beliefs and in fact view it to be contrary to islam.

In fact there's been resurgence of islamic revivalism ever since colonialism and this is the case for all muslim countries. There's a demand to go back to the deen and live according to it, when have you ever seen muslim coming out in numbers and demand secularism ?

Those who call for secularism in our lands for the most part are people who're either gaal or hide their gaalnimo or just against diinta in general. They don't represent the majority nor even care for them, they just want to use them for their own agendas. Now in western countries such people are given platforms as they reflect their host countries values and norms.

Shacabka believe islam to be their solution to their problems but most importantly their salvation both in this dunya and akhira. It's the reason why when shacabka given the chance will always call to islam and it's implementation.

The real problems lies with how secular worldview is propagated and how many muslims fall prey to it under the banner of "human right", "freedom" slogans. Many muslims despite intending good etc don't realise that what they champion in terms of freedom, rights etc go against what islam dictates. This is why it's very critical that we evaluate and examine the underlying basis from which we choose to either advocate for or oppose any given matter.

 

[BigBreak]

@JalleGeesi yes secularism is absolutely unacceptable for us Muslims but you do realise that theocracy is also unacceptable, Islam prohibits oppression (dhulm) and demands rulers be accountable for their actions in power.

Unelected clerics ruling a society is a big no no

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

I was just stating observations.

Somalia does not need secularism but it needs democracy.

Because the infighting that happened for 20 years cannot be resolved with a dictatorship, it will make the next rebellion even worse. What Somalis need in the meantime is to have a system that they can control through the ballot box.

Why can't Somalia get secularism? Kenya, Ethiopia and even Djibouti are secular.

I completely agree with you, democracy is the only way. Dictatorship doesn't lead anywhere.

After people have forgotten the war and trust one another again, then people can debate other forms of governance.

Somalia could just start with a good system right away.

 

[Ismail99]

@JalleGeesi yes secularism is absolutely unacceptable for us Muslims but you do realise that theocracy is also unacceptable, Islam prohibits oppression (dhulm) and demands rulers be accountable for their actions in power.

Unelected clerics ruling a society is a big no no

Why is theocracy = dhulm?

 

[reer]

Why is theocracy = dhulm?

the middle east horn of africa pakistan are too close to islamic heartlands to be secular. secularism will fail the people are too religious. lebanon is different and turkey was secularized by attaturk (who ruled as dictator).

 

[Muzaffer]

Unelected clerics

how the emir is always elected by the people

 

[BigBreak]

how the emir is always elected by the people

That would be fine

 

[BigBreak]

@JalleGeesi look at Iran, Afghanistan pre 2001

 

[Muzaffer]

@JalleGeesi look at Iran, Afghanistan pre 2001

Afghanistan was more stable under islamic rule that the current corrupt government

 

[Ismail99]

@JalleGeesi look at Iran, Afghanistan pre 2001

The Islamic Emirate in Afghanistan pre 2001 was loved by Afghanis, they defeated the warlords stopped the khaniisnimo and captured Kabul.

Iran is hated by the westerners so of course they will paint it as an oppressive regime. Just like Iran paints US as an oppressive regime.