Secularism a Dangerous Ideology

[Ismail99]

This Ideology has caused so much bloodshed in our lands from MSB and his secular Kacaan leveling Hargeisa to the ground to different secular rebel groups wrecking havoc to the foreign secular soldiers occupying Somalia today. Nothing as dangerous as this terrorist Ideology in Somalia.

Some Somalis have been radicalised by the mass media and actually believe in this godless ideology. So how can we do reverse brainwash on the miskiin public who was brainwashed. I believe we have to control the social media like the chinese government and have our own YouTube,WhatsApp and other apps.

 

[Ismail99]

How can we combat this ideology ?

@Dawo @AdoonkaAlle @Omar del Sur

 

[Ismail99]

Almost forgot you @Hali

 

[X29]

There's a problem with your statements because most countries that are secular have a better human rights record than ones that are religious you can look at ever metric and most religious countries fall way behind to secular nation's.

 

[Ismail99]

There's a problem with your statements because most countries that are secular have a better human rights record than ones that are religious you can look at ever metric and most religious countries fall way behind to secular nation's.

I don't care about human rights law I never signed them. If you wanna talk about other countries go the global affairs section.

 

[Removed]

Secularism and Democracy is equated with freedom and peace. Until people can improve the marketing of Islam (which in reality can afford pretty much the exact same freedoms as european countries) to Muslims your going to find more Muslims naturally lean away from these harsh ideals many Muslims have.

As GDP per capita rises people are less willing to accept orwellian theocracies like Saudi arabia where men and women cant see each other or Women cant leave without a guardian etc.

There's a problem with your statements because most countries that are secular have a better human rights record than ones that are religious you can look at ever metric and most religious countries fall way behind to secular nation's.

I wouldnt equate that to them being secular or religous most human rights are in nearly every major religion.

How many secular countries are human rights nightmares anyways.

 

[Periplus]

Secularism is for people with religious minorities/divisions.

If your country has no religious minorities like Somalia, then there is no need for Secularism.

Democracy is a different story however.

 

[X29]

Let be honest I'm not saying something that's of base if you look at secularism in honest view point it been so successful because most people on this website live in secular nations that provide freedom of religion and freedom from religion the real question would be would these relreligious nation accept this type of theory probably not and the reason to this it would be very detrimental to there power. We need to accept the mass migration out of Muslim nations to Europe is because of secular Nations triumphs of religious nation show me one major tech innovation that come out of our so called ummah the last hundred years.

 

[BigBreak]

Waa runtaadaa @JalleGeesi

Cilmaaniya anaa wassaa

 

[Ismail99]

Let be honest I'm not saying something that's of base if you look at secularism in honest view point it been so successful because most people on this website live in secular nations that provide freedom of religion and freedom from religion the real question would be would these relreligious nation accept this type of theory probably not and the reason to this it would be very detrimental to there power. We need to accept the mass migration out of Muslim nations to Europe is because of secular Nations triumphs of religious nation show me one major tech innovation that come out of our so called ummah the last hundred years.

Why are you lying the reason most left is because of war. Just so you know not only the west is secularists Syria,Iraq,Somalia all of them were/are secularists. So your point doesn't even make sense tbh.

 

[X29]

Why are you lying the reason most left is because of war. Just so you know not only the west is secularists Syria,Iraq,Somalia all of them were/are secularists. So your point doesn't even make sense tbh.

My man most of the problems are from relgoius establishments listen I know you feel some sort of way but if you can't see that religion has had mass amount of people that have been killed by it what is the biggest problem in somalia shabaab what is the problem in Iraq isis do you know the amount that have died my brother the other problem that most relgoius nation have is weak governments that why so much extremism thrives.

 

[reer]

Why are you lying the reason most left is because of war. Just so you know not only the west is secularists Syria,Iraq,Somalia all of them were/are secularists. So your point doesn't even make sense tbh.

the post colonial era where the leaders of muslim countries close to islamic heartlands grew up under western puppets or colonialism. saddam nasser barre etc. the muslim awakenings were iran revolution saudi becoming conservative in 79 the soviet invasion 9/11 then the invasions of afghanistan and iraq. these factors put an end to the post colonial era in countries in and around islamic heartlands.

 

[Omar del Sur]

My man most of the problems are from relgoius establishments listen I know you feel some sort of way but if you can't see that religion has had mass amount of people that have been killed by it what is the biggest problem in somalia shabaab what is the problem in Iraq isis do you know the amount that have died my brother the other problem that most relgoius nation have is weak governments that why so much extremism thrives.

So... are there no secular governments in the third world? The entire third world is living under sharia?

Cuba, Venezuela, South Africa... they're all living under sharia and that's why there is poverty in those countries?

 

[Omar del Sur]

Well as far as combating it, of course I think there should be censorship and control over media. Soros promotes an open society- a society open to subversion. I believe in a closed society that combats subversion. If you use censorship to remove secularist subversion from the public eye and you educate the public on the problems with secularism, I think that is how secularism is countered.

I think it is nuts to look at European countries (or US, Australia, Canada, etc.) and think "well that is what they do so we have to do the exact same thing".

The same thing that works for, say, Sweden isn't necessarily going to work for a third-world country. Unless maybe we're talking about a docile Buddhist country, it is the height of irresponsibility to go to poor Third World countries and encourage irreligiosity.

If you have large numbers of hungry people, if there have been issues with violence, there is lack of security- and you go and you start preaching secularism and irreligiosity to the people... it is a recipe for disaster. You go to hungry, desperate people and you convince them that God does not exist- you are laying the groundwork for atrocity and chaos.

Imo there should be religious slash nationalist uprisings against the imported Western model. A society needs to implement the model that is appropriate for the society in question- not just try to mindlessly imitate Europeans.

I think societies should take Islam as their basis and build their own models and I believe this is the wave of the future. People who cannot imagine any higher aspiration than to be an imitation European- they are inherently unable to really come with anything new or interesting.

It's become like a religion for some people that liberalism, secularism, etc. are correct and so even if these things wreck the society they still cannot question these ideologies and question whether they are appropriate for the society in question.

 

[Omar del Sur]

as I see it, there are two basic models being pushed- and neither of these are in the interest of the third world countries... one is the liberal democracy model... abortion, transgenderism, etc... total breakdown of morals and in Third World contexts... well... look at South Africa. they have been the number one in "lgbt rights" in Africa and now look what's happening there. then there is the Cuba type model- socialism; the kind of model Malema wants.

of course the ussr fell, the socialist thing has mostly collapsed and after the ussr fell, Fukuyama claimed it was the End of History, that US liberal democracy and so apparently the end of history is we all eat McDonalds, are morally decadent, drink coca-cola and comfortably allow our children to be aborted... and now we even let our children be groomed and sexualized in the schools...

some people have low confidence, deep sense of inferiority and so they just follow whatever the West tells them.... in reality, Fukuyama's theory has failed, China and numerous other countries are challenging the dystopia of turning the entire world into a homogenous blob of angloliberalism....

anglo liberal democracy is NOT the final system. nor is some ideal system revealed by God. nor is secularism some divine entity with a halo.

there are tons of people in Spain who miss General Franco. from the 1930's until Franco's death in the 70's, they lived under Franco's National Catholic regime.

it was not remotely secular. yet Spain did very well, they were way better off (including economically, since I know the secularists are materialist people) and tons of the people miss that era.

the CIA killed Franco's successor and paved the way for the current Spanish regime and the Spanish people are way worse off.

secular democracy has been a disaster for Spain, they were way better off under their previous religious government and lots of Spanish people agree- that's why there are still tons of Franco supporters in Spain.

obviously, that is not the model for the region in question here but it clearly shows that angloliberalism is not the end-all be-all

Spanish miracle

The Spanish miracle (Spanish: El Milagro español, literally, "The Spanish Miracle") was the name given to a period of exceptionally rapid and broadly-based economic development in Spain from 1959 to 1974, during the latter part of the Francoist regime. The economic boom was brought to an end by the 1970s international oil and stagflation crises.

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this was under a religious government of state Catholicism, after a religious revolution that had taken place in the 1930's (which had established the regime).

 

[Ismail99]

My man most of the problems are from relgoius establishments listen I know you feel some sort of way but if you can't see that religion has had mass amount of people that have been killed by it what is the biggest problem in somalia shabaab what is the problem in Iraq isis do you know the amount that have died my brother the other problem that most relgoius nation have is weak governments that why so much extremism thrives.

You're changing the goal post Iraq and Somalia were shit before AS/ISIS and guess what they had secular government.

 

[Removed]

Let be honest I'm not saying something that's of base if you look at secularism in honest view point it been so successful because most people on this website live in secular nations that provide freedom of religion and freedom from religion the real question would be would these relreligious nation accept this type of theory probably not and the reason to this it would be very detrimental to there power. We need to accept the mass migration out of Muslim nations to Europe is because of secular Nations triumphs of religious nation show me one major tech innovation that come out of our so called ummah the last hundred years.

There is no reason why it would be their secularism why they triumph over other countries. Israel is a theocracy/apartheid state yet somehow they also triumph over muslims all the time and regularly innovate.

Religous freedom to a large extent is also possible under Islamic law even more so in some ways. I would like to know is there anything in specific about this legal system that you feel restricts your life personally? I am willing to bet you have some misconceptions of whats cultural customs and whats actually law.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

There is no room for secularism in a country where its population are 100% adherents of Islam. Somalia should be an Islamic republic for the Somali people.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Secularism and Democracy is equated with freedom and peace. Until people can improve the marketing of Islam (which in reality can afford pretty much the exact same freedoms as european countries) to Muslims your going to find more Muslims naturally lean away from these harsh ideals many Muslims have.

As GDP per capita rises people are less willing to accept orwellian theocracies like Saudi arabia where men and women cant see each other or Women cant leave without a guardian etc.

I wouldnt equate that to them being secular or religous most human rights are in nearly every major religion.

How many secular countries are human rights nightmares anyways.

China
USSR
Ethiopia
krygyzstan
Syria
Angola
Zimbabwe
Israel
Egypt
Brazil
Iran under the shah
Mexico
DRC
North korea
South Africa

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

Secularism is for people with religious minorities/divisions.

If your country has no religious minorities like Somalia, then there is no need for Secularism.

Democracy is a different story however.

There can be no democracy if you have Sharia.
What is Sharia ? Sharia is a set of rules which are imposed by the government.
Democracy is the ability to change the laws of a country because the majority wants it. But if you have Sharia laws then you cannot change the laws, therefore there is contradiction.
Sharia and democracy cannot go hand in hand, unless you want to give the citizens the ability to change the laws by voting for laws only if they are not opposed Sharia laws, but then it's a flawed democracy.

Honestly, I don't see why people here hate secularism so much when most of us benefit from it.
Giving freedom of speech and religion to everyone is just common sense.
You just need to look at the world today to see that the secular system produces a better standard of living, creates more scientists, doctors, engineers etc...