Saudi Arabia to 'welcome' LGBTQ tourists
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kind of misleading...
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The Saudi Tourism Authority’s website visitsaudi.com has an updated section under its Frequently Asked Questions page stating “Are LGBT visitors welcome to visit Saudi Arabia?” The answer to the question reads as follows:
“We don’t ask anyone to disclose personal details and never have. Everyone is welcome to visit our country.”
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/05/shift-saudi-arabia-welcome-lgbtq-tourists#ixzz80VKDnbDu"
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The Saudi Tourism Authority’s website visitsaudi.com has an updated section under its Frequently Asked Questions page stating “Are LGBT visitors welcome to visit Saudi Arabia?” The answer to the question reads as follows:
“We don’t ask anyone to disclose personal details and never have. Everyone is welcome to visit our country.”
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/05/shift-saudi-arabia-welcome-lgbtq-tourists#ixzz80VKDnbDu"
Where is @Farax bin Cabdi bin Bakri
I am not surprised you are already here @Omar del Sur doing damage control for MBS. They intentionally updated their site with a question about LGBT and said "we do not ask, all are welcome". What exactly is misleading about that? They are signalling LGBTQ is welcome, a child can see that.
Madkhalis love of certain rulers surpass all, truly strange.
not wanting to go around inciting people against governments of Muslim countries isn't some new thing, it's the traditional Islamic approach... if you want to follow the Jewish Karl Marx minhaj, that's your decision but you shouldn't expect me to do the same
Why the Madkhalis Are Ahl al-Bid'a Deviants
The Madkhali movement was created in the 1990s by authoritarian governments in the Muslim Middle East - many of which seek to enact liberal policies. The movement is run by intelligence agencies, and has a large online component. The goal of the movement is to religiously justify the repression of Muslims who oppose liberal policies. Madkhalis create new teachings (i.e., bid'as) with this goal in mind. Madkhalis pretend to be Salafis, although genuine Salafis hate and revile them.
The Madkhalis disseminate many bid'as. Four of the most notable Madkhali bid'as are the following:
First, the Madkhalis hold that anyone who verbally criticizes liberal government policies (e.g., secularism, atheism, feminism, LGBT) is a "khariji" deviant/apostate who should be surveilled, imprisoned, or killed. Such measures apply even if the critic explicitly rejects rebellion, terrorism, or disobedience vis-a-vis the government. This is an unprecedented view, meant to repress criticism of liberal government policies.
Second, the Madkhalis hold that all Muslims must focus on teaching technical issues of Aqida. On the Madkhali view, it is only after all Muslims accept proper Aqida (in all technical details), that they should begin working for the implementation of Sharia norms at the level of state and society. The aim of this Madkhali argument is to convince Muslims to simply focus on Aqida matters (i.e., private belief) for some long undefined period, while neglecting implementation of Sharia norms at the level of state and society. During the period in question, Muslims must not oppose liberal government policies of secularization. This Madkhali view is unprecedented. The correct traditional Islamic view is that Muslims must focus on teaching Aqida, while also (at the same time) working for the implementation of Sharia norms at the level of state and society.
Third, the Madkhalis hold that scholars only have religious legitimacy if they are approved by governments or approved by other scholars who are controlled by governments. Madkhalis encourage close relationships between scholars and governments. Madkhalis also claim that it is praiseworthy for scholars to work as government spies and propagandists. This is an unprecedented view. The correct traditional Islamic view is that a scholar's religious legitimacy does not depend on the approval of governments or other scholars controlled by governments. Moreover, scholars should keep their distance from governments, lest they be pressured into propagating false views that support government policies.
Fourth, the Madkhalis hold that Muslims are not allowed to criticize rulers who openly denigrate Islamic teachings, by appearing on television on a daily basis and publicly performing sins like fornicating and drinking alcohol or even raping others' wives and torturing their children. According to Madkhalis, the Muslim masses who see this must not criticize such behavior as forbidden but should instead praise the ruler and call people to support him. This is once again an unprecedented view, and one opposed to the basic principle of al-amr bil-ma'ruf wa-nahi 'an al-munkar.
@AMusee I don't have time to debate you right now.... maybe some other time... but for now I just want to point out that you and your "anti-Madkhali" movement.... you people have zero scholars behind you.... no actual scholars are a part of this movement
in all actuality, it's this ikhwani interpretation of Islam that your movement has which is the new and deviated thing..... and this ideology is the mother of terrorist movements like Al-Shabaab which is all about riling people up against the government....
no scholars are with your movement, people who have real knowledge would know that a lot of what your movement calls "Madkhali" is actually just a traditional Islamic approach... the traditional Islamic scholars weren't a bunch of Marxists or BLM activists or rebellious teenagers
in all actuality, it's this ikhwani interpretation of Islam that your movement has which is the new and deviated thing..... and this ideology is the mother of terrorist movements like Al-Shabaab which is all about riling people up against the government....
no scholars are with your movement, people who have real knowledge would know that a lot of what your movement calls "Madkhali" is actually just a traditional Islamic approach... the traditional Islamic scholars weren't a bunch of Marxists or BLM activists or rebellious teenagers
I just want to mention for people for who don't know much about this dispute.... follow the scholars.... there is no "Madkhali" sect of Islam.... not being a Marxist with a beard isn't some new sect... zero scholars are with this "anti-Madkhali" movement of internet commentators who are consciously or unconsciously shilling for deviant ikhwani ideology.... stick with the scholars... don't follow random social media personalities
I don't understand what's the news here, Saudi's position hasn't actually changed on anything. If you want the ideal sharia I'd recommend to start within your own house, this long winded jabs at MBS for no reason does nothing but seek to weaken the ummah.
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Gay marriage will be recognized in Saudi Arabia within our generation's lifetime (they'll copy Israel and only recognize foreign gay marriages). It's clear as day that MBS is not Muslim and he is carefully engaging in western style partisan incrementalism to change Saudi's Islamic culture.
You mean the scholars that fill MBS prisons? If they were to speak out, you know they would be arrested and maybe even executed and youd still be here shilling for MBS as he throws raves restricts Islam and Muslims and tells the LGBT they are welcome.
Taking jabs at MBS "weakens the ummah" meanwhile he is imprisoning scholars and throwing raves while inviting qawm lut.
MBS is a gift in a way as he is utterly exposing Madkhalis and their nonsense. This thread is a clear example for anyone that was confused. Madkhalis will come and furiously defend MBS and his liberalization anti-Islam project over Islam and Muslims.
Bring me the name of one "scholars" he's imprisoned, go ahead.
Under what right do you have to make takfir of MBS, you do know AL-S says the same thing (they say this about all muslims rulers).
I mean.... I think it is pretty clear how irresponsible all this is.... just go around making takfir of the governments of Muslim countries and incite against the governments.... just completely ignore that no scholars are with you.... this is the soil that groups like Al Qaeda and Al Shabaab come from and that's why the real scholars and students of knowledge don't promote this kind of thing
Everyone knows he has been detaining scholars since he came to power. You know this, but are here to shill so you are just doing your job and trying your best.
Of course, next fear monger about terrorist groups created and funded by intelligence agencies. We can not condemn raves, imrpisong scholars, bikini beaches, and welcoming LGBT and Zionists because that means we support foreign created and funded terrorist groups. No one buys it.
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Alright, so you have a problem if people are detained for have extremist affiliations to know khawaij groups or who advocate for them? I'm quite amused at your position, you want the likes of those who advocate for dangerous ideologies (AL-S and the like) I can't even say what they've advocated for on this forum. These are the "scholars" you legitimize and think should be freed?
I'm surprised you consider yourself Muslim
None of the above examples fit your made up description. They were all imprisoned for condemning MBS liberalization project you are currently here shilling for.
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