Saudi Arabia Does Ribbah Banking

DR OSMAN

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How in the world do u live in a Country with no Financial Infrastructure? There isn't a single muslim country that doesn't use Interest rates for it's currency or loaning. No country can develop without a central bank managing money supply through interest rates to private banks who then do interest rates to business start ups, property, investments to support it's country people.

@NordicSomali you made an interesting remark that Ribbah is considered evil by Somalis. To be quite frank the ribbah that Islam is referring to isn't even interest rate as we understand it, but something called 'dul saar' which is more like the ribbah Islam is talking about, when things are over-priced to the point that people are poorer.The way Mogadishu economy is set up is true ribbah, 99% of the people can't afford to live there.

But interest rate curbs inflation from devaluing money. If someone gives you 100k and u repay it in 10 years, he has to calculate 3% inflation x 10 years into the equation on top of the loan and then a profit margin(which is checked by other banks to ensure it's not high) or else their was no incentive to loan in the first place which has far more disastrous outcome for a society(ppl with ideas but no finance or ppl with jobs but no loans for property)

Even if we take the Ulama argument that ribbah is interest rate, it's an un-avoidable evil anyways, every american dollar in Somalia was printed through America banks which is done through ribbah, the american currency in Somalia didn't fall from the sky, it reports back to American banks. Islam teaches you can do anything haram if your facing poverty or death, even if it means eating pork.

On the grounds Islam says everything is halal in the event of poverty or hunger, Without ribbah banking, Somalis will die in poverty if they don't set up banking architecture immediately, becuz charity-aid doesn't cure poverty and never will, it's not intended too, it's intended to keep you alive only so their industry alive but not free and independent. Even the charity-aid Somalia gets, came from ribbah banks. There is no avoidance possible, unless they want to all die, will the ulama promote DEATH becuz without ribbah banking, this is the only outcome.

What is wrong with Somalis?
 
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DR OSMAN

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As @Abdalla said Somalia are 4th world people, not even 3rd world, they are way behind even to the 3rd world, they are the leaders of things that defy human logic and reason or they do things which no-one in the world does whether its muslim or non muslim. I mean u think halane is only non muslim? it's also MUSLIM, aduunka dhan baa la yaaban somalia, as with their banking every muslim country does it EXCEPT THEM. Why? their ulama told those civilized muslim countries, anything is halal if poverty/hunger is on the horizon, it's literally the last verse in the quran.
 

DR OSMAN

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So called Ribah banking is the most innocent and halal business model. Their interest is on a very small 'profit' range when u factor 3% is gone thru inflation a year, so they set it around 5-6% only, getting 2-3% extra a year on 20-30 year loan. How in the world is that haram? only a zuumaali mind is that haram but property prices 100k when hamaali wage is 2k a year isn't ribbah to them.

Nacala shaydhan ku yaal as that shine culeys say kkkk, the shaydhan can make whats good look bad(banking freeing ppl to own wealth) and the bad look good(property to avg wage in somalia, charity, aid, ngo)
 

DR OSMAN

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@Abdalla Im Glad no oil companies are exploring Somalia. If Somalia doesn't create an oil sovereign fund like Saudi and use that fund to invest in America or other stock markets to ensure it grows and we can liquidate funds when necessary to nation build only, that money will die thru corruption or people spending it on useless consumables not growth assets.

Koley wa african minds in Somalia who will spend money on things that have no return on investment except 'faan' and then they will be dead broke like a typical african who blew away their money on useless things.
 
Somalia is taking plenty of loans with interest world bank and America offers it and they really don’t expect it paid back as they know we backwards.

A lot of countires get loans and investment from private industry and they aren’t willing to invest in Somalia as it’s high risk low reward. Why invest in Somalia when you can invest in emerging poor country like India thats medium risk and potentially high reward

you need safety and powerful central gocemement that will insure funds . America it’s 250k insured and India they insure 6k in bank deposits it’s not Islam that’s preventing banking in Somalia . It will be hawalahs making killing in Somalia taking advantage of chaos until we get it together
 

Gacmeey

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Central banking in itself is evil and should be abolished. Bringing back gold and and silver and not interfering with the natural rises and falls of commodity prices would solve most of these inflation and reliance on riba problems anyway. This should be our goal but don’t ask me how we can get there, if they’ll even let us get there
 

DR OSMAN

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Somalia is taking plenty of loans with interest world bank and America offers it and they really don’t expect it paid back as they know we backwards.

A lot of countires get loans and investment from private industry and they aren’t willing to invest in Somalia as it’s high risk low reward. Why invest in Somalia when you can invest in emerging poor country like India thats medium risk and potentially high reward

you need safety and powerful central gocemement that will insure funds . America it’s 250k insured and India they insure 6k in bank deposits it’s not Islam that’s preventing banking in Somalia . It will be hawalahs making killing in Somalia taking advantage of chaos until we get it together

Any business affair with extreme 'dul saar' doesn't lead to benefit of the people as it can lead to death or life being very difficult. Just becuz bankers in the past did extreme dul saar, doesn't mean all banking is bad. Do we dismisss medicine becuz their have been bad doctors? banking today is about creating win-win situation, allowing finances being available to ppl with business idea, workers who have saving and want to own properties, or even investment arm into existing businesses or shares or other assets.

The benefit is ppl will be free and own real assets not own 'money' which devalues. Everyone goal is to own assets or shares or businesses or factories or something generating wealth, they want generational wealth also and banking fulfills this. It's good outweigh its absence.
 

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