Reer Puntland so gala

Discussion in 'Somali Politics' started by MoeMoney, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. MoeMoney

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    What’s the point of improving our cities, getting investments, fighting SL over harti land if we’re not looking for aqonsi? What’s our end game?

    My family, 1 of them who was a minister of PL last administration, said they will die for the blue flag. When I said there is no point because Somalis will never get along, they have no answers. No disrespect but we can’t nation-build with our konfuur brothers.

    I sort of respect Sland quest for self recognition even though the way they go about it is retarded.

    We can go to the moon if were a sovereign nation. But the citizens in Puntland are somaliweyne. :bell:
     
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  2. DR OSMAN

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    Just be patient brother and wait for our generation to forge a new policy, let the oldies die who are stuck in an old era and trying to re-birth a nation they REMEMBER, we won't have that problem since we don't even remember a working state. Trust me I am on-board with new thought and ideas if provable as long as u can prove the old way has failed and how the new way can be beneficial. Honestly once this generation of people who remember Somalia die away, we can start 'afresh' so keep up hope, take notes how the previous generation is failing and ensure u don't repeat it for our generation.
     
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  3. Diaspora ambassador

    Diaspora ambassador Representative of Qandala

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    I Think that the people leading PL were smart enough to look at both options. Succession or leading.

    They were smart enough to create a succession clause in the temporal constitution. If the FGS is overthrown or cant stabilise central and southern Somalia, PL will be instantly a sovereign nation according to Somali and international law.

    If you add all of these points up and you get the following results: semi-autonomously operate under the Somali banner, develop the territory and if shit hits the fan PL is out.

    Maybe PL and SL could form a sovereign nation. To show the world that we indeed are African royalty.
     
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  4. DR OSMAN

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    @MoeMoney my first demand as president of PL and hopefully with a new generation society with the oldies dying away, we must make sure the old one dies though or they may boycot it or cause problems. I will demand all CLANS to show a working region with an administration, security, progress before such time they even speak about Somali govt. I would bar any region who hasn't sorted out his region from the SFG as they have no experience on state building since they can't even do it in they're own regional home. I would remove any regions from the parliament who hasn't working region, they are only members once they have a regional govt, security, and social services. They must meet this basic criteria before any involvement with the SFG.

    I would make these conditions non-negotiable in the Somali interest. I am not sitting with a guy with his region burning talking about Danaha Somalia, I just can't do it, it doesn't give me confidence inu ninkani 'khayr' soo wado and he has nothing to lose also since his region is a mess and could be a conflict interest in Nation building because he may want to destroy any working region and bring it down to his region level.
     
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  5. DR OSMAN

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    To be apart of the SFG you need the following requirement.

    1. Territory, people, 2 states bare minimum
    2. Working govt, constitution, police, courts, military
    3. Delivery of social services
    4. Proven working ISIMO with history or else admit you were CAWAAN prior to daarood or else who ruled you

    I would then say welcome to the SFG as a genuine stakeholder and give them exact same right as other states, ma xasidayo markasi cidna, isku level baan nahay oo wax ka wada hadli kara oo wax lagu si dari karo horumarkeena plus importantly we GOT SOMETHING TO LOSE OUR REGIONS. This hawiye/rahanwayne have nothing to lose sxb, that's why they are playing politics knowing WAXBA KAMA MAQNA, WAA UU CIYAAR IYAGU, IT'S NOTHING SERIOUS FOR THEM SINCE WHAT HAVE THE GOT TO LOSE, THEYRE REGIONS ARE OCCUPIED BY SHABAB OR AMISOM OR THEY'RE LIKE GM LIVING WITH NO GOVT AND GREEN LINES. I would make each REGION EARN THEY'RE RESPECTIVE ROLE IN THE SFG no more freeby this creates no accountability.
     
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  6. Finesse

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    Like you said, the people back home suffer from Somali nationalism. We just need to take over.
     
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  7. MoeMoney

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    We all know FGS won’t do shit, so why bother waiting? Arab states are currently dividing Somalia for themselves and having their Cold War on us. It’s embarrassing how we allow them to do this when they were nothing more then desert dwellers 40 years ago. Leaving that shit show that is southern Somalia will allow us to keep our integrity.

    As for SL and PL joining, seeing how Issaqs ruled their land for the past 30 years is very off putting.:susp: The retarded version of Jews, they have the treachery part down but not the sophistication and cunning to do anything they set out to do. Plus I think we’re more capable than them. I wouldn’t ever want to join those uppity nig*ers LOL.
     
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  8. MoeMoney

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    That’s exactly what we need to do. There will be much resistance though. Puntlanders are not as hardline as the Issaqs when it comes to this:wow:We don’t suffer from cuqdad.
     
  9. FBIsomalia

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    To me somalia. Weak Somalia is weak to Pl. Our hero went to south to build the nation. We will not throw his achievements out of the window!!.
     
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  10. Abdurahman_somali

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    As a Puntlander, your leaders have accepted and influenced the constitution of Somalia. Secondly, you were also one of the main forces to push for an international recognized federal government, hence the IC recognizes the FGS as the only authority (de jure) and the constitution of 2012 as the only relevant law.

    As for Succession it is impossible and against the Constitution of Somalia, especially the seventh article article paragraph two and five:

    Furthermore a possible succession clause is null and void, since this is a direct contradiction to the Somali constitution. This issue is addressed in article four paragraph two.

    It was you people (all of you except Somaliland ) that decided to make a gov in Xamar IC recognized, although it would only control the capital (de facto). This was a crucial mistake saaxib and not in the interest of any of us. Now Mudane Farmaajo is enjoying the full power of getting backed by the IC. He already eliminated HS, GM, KG and he is now abusing his power, that you all gave him, by sanctioning Jubbaland and preparing for the full submission of Puntland (Not that i support his immoral crusade against the federal member states at all ). To make it short for you: Even if Xamar doesn't get it's shit together, you guys won't go anywhere. To make things worst, the next president will either one of the N&N crew or from the Hawiye tribe, who are all centralists by default.

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  11. MoeMoney

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    We’ll never be another Dubai or Singapore. :bell:

    I hope the wadani Somaliweyne puntlanders are happy. There will always be a glass ceiling we can’t get past. All thanks to the hawiye tribe and N&N and our incompetence. All of a sudden, I feel sorry for SL. They’ll be in a limbo state forever.
     
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  12. kickz

    kickz Engineer of Qandala

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    What a bunch of sheegatos:lolbron:
     
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  13. Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman

    Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman Runta kama Xishoono

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    Current status works fine for us till the political situation changes. We Will know when the time to bail out. One foot in, one foot out. Boowe ciyaar waa galin dambe. No emotions needed, we deal with the facts as they play out. Somalia life support will be terminated sooner or later.

    :gaasdrink:
     
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  14. GBTarmy

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    Puntites since the early 1900s wanted a united Somalia that's why we created SYL we were power hungry and it backfired. 1969 the country we fought for was hijacked by a spring boy, we then learned that centralism will never work so we created federalism after the civil war. Fast forward to recent years and the FGS is not respecting the constitution, misusing and politicising aid and development even as far as politicising the Somali airspace and movement freedom.

    Now I and several other puntites support a confederal Somalia since we're seeing that federalism has its own flaws in Somalia.

    Check this, big names support this.

    https://wardheernews.com/policy-pap...er-the-2020-21-election/#.XYckrqjw4f0.twitter

    I think we will fight for Somalia but a different Somalia than the south. Kind of like Taiwan and mainland China.
     
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  15. IslamIsTheAnswer

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    They haven't declared independence because PL is a mars-like lifeless hellhole. Even SL has a few patches of green here and there, but PL is hopeless. I personally wish PL would declare independence as i have my eyes set on the harti farms in jubbaland
     
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  16. Libaaxseendheer

    Libaaxseendheer DAAROODIST

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    Dont be. SL are essentially a sovereign nation. Their citizens are proud Landers, their politicians as well and the international community recognizes and is aware of their uniqueness , albeit yet to be officially ratified. If SL is recognized before us, rest assured we will be quick to follow out. PIM shall realize sooner than you expect
     
  17. Reer-Bari

    Reer-Bari COMMANDER OF THE PUNTLAND DEFENCE TEAM

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    I been saying this for a long time. Walahi it doesn’t matter what my views are. They don’t want to hear that pim stuff. Trust me I tried. That’s why I gave up on it. I am for whatever my people are for. If that’s sonaliweyn or pim. I’m for whatever. I respect both views.
     
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  18. Gibiin-Udug

    Gibiin-Udug Boqoradda Dal-udug Staff Member Moderator

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    Just give me one hour with them, I will karbaash the "nationalism" out of them.
     
  19. BenInHer

    BenInHer Jefe de Jefes

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    All of the north is equivalent to a native reserve.

    If puntland leaves, at best they'll become like Djibouti, and rent land to g20 nations. At worse stuck in limbo like sl.

    Neither benefits the future generation that'll come after us.
     
  20. kickz

    kickz Engineer of Qandala

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