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[Khaem]

 

[Khaem]

No way they made Adal this small

 

[GALAN]

Adal never extended as far as Puntland, that was controlled by the Ajuran, Adal only had real power of t he territory between Saylac, and Harar at its peak since there was multiple vessel states amongst the kingdom such as Dawaro, fatager, Waj, Ifat, Showa, Mora, gidaya, and many more.

if were talking about geographically the Adalite kingdom only ruled modern day Gursum (Dakar) to Harar but later onwards during the time of Ahmed Gurey the new Harar sultanate was established so technically all of the lands Gurey conquered he conquered under the Harar sultanate and not under Adal, we need to understand Adal was not some crazy kingdom that ruled up to Sudan, it was a small polity established by Sabradin III, and its name was derived from the region between afar- Zeila where his ancestors probably descended from.

 

[hayran]

This is a parody video why the aggressive fact checking?

 

[Khaem]

Adal never extended as far as Puntland, that was controlled by the Ajuran, Adal only had real power of t he territory between Saylac, and Harar at its peak since there was multiple vessel states amongst the kingdom such as Dawaro, fatager, Waj, Ifat, Showa, Mora, gidaya, and many more.

if were talking about geographically the Adalite kingdom only ruled modern day Gursum (Dakar) to Harar but later onwards during the time of Ahmed Gurey the new Harar sultanate was established so technically all of the lands Gurey conquered he conquered under the Harar sultanate and not under Adal, we need to understand Adal was not some crazy kingdom that ruled up to Sudan, it was a small polity established by Sabradin III, and its name was derived from the region between afar- Zeila where his ancestors probably descended from.

Of course we can't look at Adal as a centralised state like those of the modern era. Most states back then in the medieval era were mostly the main power in the capital and several other minor states around it who were loyal to the Central Ruler. This was ethiopia until 1860s. Europe ended this a while back due to central rulers gaining enough power to complete takeover their surrounding states ruled by noble and petty kings. This ended up with the forced assimilation of hundreds of local cultures. That's why at the time of napoleon most didn't speak French but their own local languages and identity. But after the republic-empire took over and was more powerful than the king. Paris forced all people in France to speak the language of Paris and practice their culture.

Adal has a meaning in Somali. Awdal.
The prefix "Aw" meaning something like "holy" in somali. It's also used for our version of saints. Such as Aw-Barkhadle.
And "Dal" meaning land. So Adal could mean the "Holy land" or the "blessed land".

It was also sometimes simply reffered to as the Kingdom of Sabr ad-Din as you said.

 

[Yami]

Of course we can't look at Adal as a centralised state like those of the modern era. Most states back then in the medieval era were mostly the main power in the capital and several other minor states around it who were loyal to the Central Ruler. This was ethiopia until 1860s. Europe ended this a while back due to central rulers gaining enough power to complete takeover their surrounding states ruled by noble and petty kings. This ended up with the forced assimilation of hundreds of local cultures. That's why at the time of napoleon most didn't speak French but their own local languages and identity. But after the republic-empire took over and was more powerful than the king. Paris forced all people in France to speak the language of Paris and practice their culture.

Adal has a meaning in Somali. Awdal.
The prefix "Aw" meaning something like "holy" in somali. It's also used for our version of saints. Such as Aw-Barkhadle.
And "Dal" meaning land. So Adal could mean the "Holy land" or the "blessed land".

It was also sometimes simply reffered to as the Kingdom of Sabr ad-Din as you said.

Isn’t dhul the Somali word for land? Never heard of dal

 

[Khaem]

Isn’t dhul the Somali word for land? Never heard of dal

Yes but it's Synonym

 

[attash]

I watched that vid a few days ago. It's such an accurate description of that guy's channel.

 

[GALAN]

No way they made Adal this small View attachment 305170

Of course we can't look at Adal as a centralised state like those of the modern era. Most states back then in the medieval era were mostly the main power in the capital and several other minor states around it who were loyal to the Central Ruler. This was ethiopia until 1860s. Europe ended this a while back due to central rulers gaining enough power to complete takeover their surrounding states ruled by noble and petty kings. This ended up with the forced assimilation of hundreds of local cultures. That's why at the time of napoleon most didn't speak French but their own local languages and identity. But after the republic-empire took over and was more powerful than the king. Paris forced all people in France to speak the language of Paris and practice their culture.

Adal has a meaning in Somali. Awdal.
The prefix "Aw" meaning something like "holy" in somali. It's also used for our version of saints. Such as Aw-Barkhadle.
And "Dal" meaning land. So Adal could mean the "Holy land" or the "blessed land".

It was also sometimes simply reffered to as the Kingdom of Sabr ad-Din as you said.

I speak Somal and live never heard AW as a holy my freind, only awliyah who are people who claim to speak to god and claim some spirtual stuff which most people believe are liars.

this could maybe be the possible etymology but I would like to believe it was the region between Afar-Zeila since the most southern eastern most tribe of the Afar is called Adali, they border the Gadabuursi and Isse.

 

[GALAN]

same wallahi.

Isn’t dhul the Somali word for land? Never heard of dal

 

[Khaem]

I speak Somal and live never heard AW as a holy my freind, only awliyah who are people who claim to speak to god and claim some spirtual stuff which most people believe are liars.

this could maybe be the possible etymology but I would like to believe it was the region between Afar-Zeila since the most southern eastern most tribe of the Afar is called Adali, they border the Gadabuursi and Isse.

The Afars were confined to their Danakil desert and have nothing to do with the empires founding. The region it was founded in is called awdal, city of Zelia. Where Sabr ad din came to.

Aw is a prefix used for many names. You wouldn't describe something as "aw" day to day. All of the major "saints" in somali history was called Aw as a high praise.

 

[Khaem]

same wallahi.

Dhulka, Dalka. Both can be used. Google translate says it's "the country"

 

[Yami]

Dhulka, Dalka. Both can be used. Google translate says it's "the country"

Oh so like dalka soomaaliya dalka jabuuti etc. makes sense now first time I’ve seen it used for land.

Holy country sounds way more cold than holy land though IMO That’s my Awdal nigga

 

[GALAN]

Dhulka, Dalka. Both can be used. Google translate says it's "the country"

still haven't heard dalka only dhulka and I speak both dialects, also since when was Awdal the name of Zeila?? historically it was named Avalites? just asking but from what I know the Awdal state was founded recently.

which sounds more evident Awdal, (name was created recently) or. Adal the historical name for

the south Afar now im not claiming that Zeila isn't somali, (historically my sub clan has lived there) im saying the Adal sultanate probably got its name derived from the Afar tribe Adali who lived just north of Zeila,
the area was called Havilah so instead it woudve been the Havilite sultanate. but I am not for sure right and allahu alam.

 

[Hussain Al Gaturi]

Adal never extended as far as Puntland, that was controlled by the Ajuran, Adal only had real power of t he territory between Saylac, and Harar at its peak since there was multiple vessel states amongst the kingdom such as Dawaro, fatager, Waj, Ifat, Showa, Mora, gidaya, and many more.

if were talking about geographically the Adalite kingdom only ruled modern day Gursum (Dakar) to Harar but later onwards during the time of Ahmed Gurey the new Harar sultanate was established so technically all of the lands Gurey conquered he conquered under the Harar sultanate and not under Adal, we need to understand Adal was not some crazy kingdom that ruled up to Sudan, it was a small polity established by Sabradin III, and its name was derived from the region between afar- Zeila where his ancestors probably descended from.

The map specifically shows Adal at 1540 aka the peak of the Imam’s conquests. Apuran was nowhere near the ras caseyr (Guardufui).
Even before the Imam mentions the sultanate stretched from Suakin in Sudan to Ras Caseyr.

Dawaro, Fatager, Shewa etc. we’re all annexed not just tributaries. That was the whole point of the conquest, The Imam (AUN) wished to completely annex the territories and have his troops settle therein. He also made his commanders and relatives direct governors.

 

[OhMan]

Speak of the devil

 

[Somali_patriotic]

The map specifically shows Adal at 1540 aka the peak of the Imam’s conquests. Apuran was nowhere near the ras caseyr (Guardufui).
Even before the Imam mentions the sultanate stretched from Suakin in Sudan to Ras Caseyr.
View attachment 305301Dawaro, Fatager, Shewa etc. we’re all annexed not just tributaries. That was the whole point of the conquest, The Imam (AUN) wished to completely annex the territories and have his troops settle therein. He also made his commanders and relatives direct governors.
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Who was Hussein al gaturi? Like his ethnicity

 

[Hussain Al Gaturi]

Who was Hussein al gaturi? Like his ethnicity

I don’t know according to Wikipedia the Gaturi were their own distinct ethnic group but I don’t trust Wikipedia on anything Somali history related