Puntland President Deni Has Reinstated The PL First Policy

[DR OSMAN]

Deni: Puntland waxay go'aansatay in aysan wakhti danbe ku lumin Soomaaliya – Puntland Post

Madaxweyne, Siciid Deni oo maanta khudbad ka jeediyay shir ku saabsan horumarinta Maaliyadda oo ka qabsoomay Garoowe ayaa sheegay in… Sii akhri

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[DR OSMAN]

This is great news by President Deni, all Puntites local or abroad are in celebration that he has returned to Former President Farole Snr vision post 2009 to redirect PL Mogadishu posture dating from the 1850s Keenadiid to PL comes first, I hope he also convinces international partner that the dual track foreign engagement is needed also so PL needs to escape this humanitarian status rating due to Mogadishu instability and begin nation building as the local conditions are favorable for it.

The international community must seize this opportunity as a developed PL is in the interest of Somalia well being so it can serve as a model for all. PL is also a strong proven anti terrorist region with teeth and proof since 93 and a valuable and reliable security partners of all nations who are anti terror unlike other parts of Somalia(Hargeisa or Mogadishu) who have never fought terror(SL govt case they infact pay them and host them in their territories) and the federal govt itself is vulnerable and compromised internally(corruption) or through its locals(moryans who penetrate it) in its jurisdiction.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This is great news for all Puntites. We don't have time to kill, time must be used and linked to outcomes delivered to the residents. Idleness is killing time and thru idleness mother nature isn't sitting idle, she cooks up extinction end of life procedures for people who kill or waste time in conflict or disagreement, go read history this sort of thing just repeats itself like clockwork.

We must tell Somalis, Puntite have no love or hatred for u but see you as a failed project. Infact you don't exist to us, we r concerned about our own challenges and don't want to engage with you any further(as I don't see anything we gain or dhaxal by it). PL lost 20 years due to your crap and we got nothing to show for it(you do, we know what U looked like pre 2004) from ina salad presidency and the moryanism from post 94.

A generation has been lost in PL, we must now reverse this and ensure we don't stay on this path before it accumulates over more lost decades(more generations) while mother nature executes its end of life processes which is an accumulation of our idleness, stalemate politics which is horrific to think about how this can lead to gradual process of elimination of a silly people.

 

[Neptune]

Puntland is hooyada federaalka. A mother does not abandon her child. Or at least that's how it was supposed to be. The child has lost their mind walking into a dictatorship.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I hope Deni converts this much-needed executive decision on Mogadishu and gives it some teeth so it becomes constitutional or is shared govt posture irrespective of the sitting president, was inaysan siyasad noqon Lakin qadiyad sida federalism uu yahay qadiyad ee ma aha siyasad.

Qadiyad waa siyasad aan lagu Kala duwanen ama laga bixi karo and is usually constitutional articles and applies to all the state organs, offices, and it's institution horizontal(executive, legislative, judicial) or vertical(gobol, degmo, tuulo), it becomes the law of the land basically not views lol

I want to ensure PL enemies locally or outside do not see this executive decision as(wa iska Deni fekerkisa and it will be over ridden post Deni term), wa inu Deni arintani parliament geeya so any new sitting president cannot violate this PL first posture, this isn't siyasad yare waa Arin taabanayso jiritaanka dadkina which is definitely a constitutional worthy discussion.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Puntland is hooyada federaalka. A mother does not abandon her child. Or at least that's how it was supposed to be. The child has lost their mind walking into a dictatorship.

Every Project Manager worth his salt in any industry knows when a project has exceeded its time allocation, budget, and scope. Federalism a wonderful project or state building experiment, but the time allocation reaching 20 years now since 2004, the wasted funds achieving no security or humanitarian objectives due to corruption in Mogadishu, the scope is even constantly in some dispute status as the idealogy is constantly infringed or violated by political actors in Mogadishu leading to what we see political instability and thru that lost years and decades and to be quite frank mate, we don't need more time waste and is clearly against PL founding constitutional articles who saw this potential to emerge and it's potential severity on its people well being over time.

PL must reiterate to somalis we don't hate U nor have any ill intentions for U, we just love our people and this isn't a crime or offensive I think but hatred can emerge if we see our people are not achieving their stated goals constitutional or political.

The future generation will be looking back at this decision of Deni and saying we r so proud and consider him another father of the nation type like we do with the founding political class of 98, his definitely on the MT Rushmore for me(yey, farole, Deni) people who actually left a lasting legacy unlike cade or gaas who were simply just presidential in name only(xil haaye types) not legacy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I hope Deni converts this from executive decision to parliamentarian discussion on PL future relationship with Somalia and get this passed thru, oh please pass thru so it becomes the law of the land and no president of the day can infringe on it.

Once this is done Deni should set up the technical committee to discuss models we can present to international partners and Mogadishu that do not violate Somalia sovereignty but doesn't cost PL people to remain in humanitarian status even tho the on ground conditions indicate its development ready and should be given access to its own development funds directly with international partners(donors, infrastructure loan providing bank, foreign investors).

We need a cooling off period type of arrangement maybe a unique treaty for PL like China and Hong Kong did for 99 years, this respects Somalia territorial sovereignty but it's political and economical sovereignty can be arranged in a way PL can develop while Mogadishu can focus on its immediate stability tasks. We don't have stability issues why do we need to share the same status is ludicrous.

 

[Midas]

When will you guys understand that if somaliland is not an economically viable standalone sovereign state theres no way puntland is . Deni obviously knows this hes probably just doing this because his uae backers told him this is beneficial for him to do now.

I guarantee in a year when the elections come up hes gonna attempt to run for president.

 

[DR OSMAN]

When will you guys understand that if somaliland is not an economically viable standalone sovereign state theres no way puntland is . Deni obviously knows this hes probably just doing this because his uae backers told him this is beneficial for him to do now.

I guarantee in a year when the elections come up hes gonna attempt to run for president.

PL was a state before anyone in Somalia even was one including SL, PL had a kingdom bro, recognised too bro in the leagues of nation archives, trade networks as far as India and Mid east pre ww2 and pre Berlin scramble in 1880. Shit they even did foreign aid to Emirates showing self sufficiency.

How dare U mention a SL in the same breath as PL, we r kings son, SL king is in London as per their own govt declaration.

Warheedhe anigu boqor engris Kuma abtirsade anaba boqortoyo ka soo jeede. To compare PL n SL is an injustice and something no majerten takes even serious. PL is 1/3 of Somalia, SL even if combined(Dir, Harti) is 1/5 using their fake borders, in reality tho isaaq is beesha dhexe niyahow a clan among clans not a kingdom like Majerten.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

When will you guys understand that if somaliland is not an economically viable standalone sovereign state theres no way puntland is . Deni obviously knows this hes probably just doing this because his uae backers told him this is beneficial for him to do now.

I guarantee in a year when the elections come up hes gonna attempt to run for president.

Don’t compare us with those handicaps.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Don’t compare us with those handicaps.

SL is known as beesha dhexe meaning SL waa dhul loo yaqan dhexe, galbeed, Bari clans kinda like jubbayoinka loo jeexay jubba dhexe Iyo jubba hoose, U know those dhexe, hoose, sare, were old old old ancient egyptian terms of governance(upper n lower Egypt), masarki hoose masarki sare.

 

[Midas]

Please for the love of God don't bring up some small premodern clan kingdom.

The reality is simple. A country of 3-6 million with a gdp 1-2k has no chance of being independent. It will simply become a puppet state. Its already pretty obvious how much influence the gulf states have over puntland and somaliland. A standalone puntland or somaliland wouldn't have any real room for negotiating power. They would be too small. Its the same reason why countries will always give better deals to Ethiopia becuase they're so much larger than somalia.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Please for the love of God don't bring up some small premodern clan kingdom.

The reality is simple. A country of 3-6 million with a gdp 1-2k has no chance of being independent. It will simply become a puppet state. Its already pretty obvious how much influence the gulf states have over puntland and somaliland. A standalone puntland or somaliland wouldn't have any real room for negotiating power. They would be too small. Its the same reason why countries will always give better deals to Ethiopia becuase they're so much larger than somalia.

It was an ancient sultanate founded in the 1600s! quite frankly I’m surprised that you’re willing to obfuscate and muddy the waters when your political narrative doesn’t match up with history.

“Small clan kingdom” then don’t claim its achievements and architectural heritage as “Somali history” next time nasab dhimanka aad tahay was

 

[Midas]

It was an ancient sultanate founded in the 1600s! quite frankly I’m surprised that you’re willing to obfuscate and muddy the waters when your political narrative doesn’t match up with history.

“Small clan kingdom” then don’t claim its achievements and architectural heritage as “Somali history” next time nasab dhimanka aad tahay was

Yes it was thats the simple reality of post 16th century somalia.

Walahi its crazy to me how were one of the poorest countries in the world but you guys cant put aside your obsession with your tiny chunk of land and instead get off on talking about somalia will never develop. But anytime somebody says something about puntland you guys jump up and yell and scream about how its not true.

The cold brutal truth is if somalia is a shithole so is puntland and thats how the world will always see it.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Yes it was thats the simple reality of post 16th century somalia.

Walahi its crazy to me how were one of the poorest countries in the world but you guys cant put aside your obsession with your tiny chunk of land and instead get off on talking about somalia will never develop. But anytime somebody says something about puntland you guys jump up and yell and scream about how its not true.

The cold brutal truth is if somalia is a shithole so is puntland and thats how the world will always see it.

Incoherent babble, I don’t even know what you just said now.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yes it was thats the simple reality of post 16th century somalia.

Walahi its crazy to me how were one of the poorest countries in the world but you guys cant put aside your obsession with your tiny chunk of land and instead get off on talking about somalia will never develop. But anytime somebody says something about puntland you guys jump up and yell and scream about how its not true.

The cold brutal truth is if somalia is a shithole so is puntland and thats how the world will always see it.

Small clan kingdom kulaha? How is that the case when it was giving foreign aid to the currently rich Khaleeji, which is on record? If left to play out on its own, they would be doing even better then the gulf region as it was ahead of them in the past.

When our kingdom got sacked by Italy with Somali duubat help on the ground and naval bombardment and were forced to join Somalia is when things turned bad for PL not before that. Infact the Somalia you cherish and speak of is essentially a Darawish idealogy that was given some political credibility thru the SYL which itself was born from Hobyo sultanate aftermath.

The biggest mistake PL ever did was create SYL which gave birth to this Somali republic idea. War lama siyasadayo every god damn kacdoon(SYL) ama armed movement(Darawish) and god forbid use it as an inspiration for state craft, it's like putting credibility in every public protest or ciyaal weero type of shit.

Puntland first is the only workable solution for PL and is in Somalia long term interest as was shown in the 98 summit in PL which gave rise to the SFG that Mogadishu inherited. PL has always been a role model and a positive force and I don't see any reason why Mogadishu needs to feel threatened infact it will probably benefit and leech as usual after the hard yards and lifting is done by PL as we saw with the SFG.

 

[Idilinaa]

Any push for regional independence risks triggering both destabilization and political isolation.

We’ve already seen how this played out with the Somaliland–SSC conflict it deepened insecurity and unrest.

On the political front, only the Federal Government in Mogadishu is internationally recognized. So, breaking away means cutting yourself off from global trade, diplomacy, and development partnerships.

More importantly, Somalia’s regions including Somaliland are already tied together through a deeply integrated economy. Fragmentation doesn’t lead to empowerment. It only weakens our collective future.

And honestly, a lot of this talk is just posturing, wishful thinking, and political theater. The reality on the ground doesn’t support it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Any push for regional independence risks triggering both destabilization and political isolation.

We’ve already seen how this played out with the Somaliland–SSC conflict it deepened insecurity and unrest.

On the political front, only the Federal Government in Mogadishu is internationally recognized. So, breaking away means cutting yourself off from global trade, diplomacy, and development partnerships.

More importantly, Somalia’s regions including Somaliland are already tied together through a deeply integrated economy. Fragmentation doesn’t lead to empowerment. It only weakens our collective future.

And honestly, a lot of this talk is just posturing, wishful thinking, and political theater. The reality on the ground doesn’t support it.

PL doesn't want to break away, it has declared it has had Enuff of Somalia 40 year abysmal track record and their nothing to show for it.

Stop assuming PL is SL for f*ck sakes and that we will just violate Somalia sovereignty and break the international rules based order especially when we pride ourselves as a region who desires to become a state based on respect and enforcement of systematic laws not politicians of the day toxicity. PL wants to do it the proper way where Mogadishu is consulted and convinced plus reassured it is for the benefit of all Somalis and Mogadishu that this PL arrangement is settled on.

We want to present one sovereign state yet two distinct and independent system models that are suitable to preserving Somalia territorial integrity while it's political and economic integrity is given distinct treaty status like Hong Kong and China for a 99 year duration where PL can have breathing room to conduct nation-state building since the on land conditions are favorable and Hamar can focus on immediate stability tasks since those are the conditions on land.

PL n Hamar can meet and review the treaty every 25 years or after 5 sitting presidential terms to discuss Mogadishu maturity in terms of security, rule of law, socio economic gains, local and foreign confidence, state craft, political stability, and good governance track record. We will develop a formula and weights and scores and risk matrix to judge it on sound metrics not political whims of the day.

It is unfair that PL has to sit there and wait for Mogadishu to achieve stability while it's people are suffering or on the brink of extinction due to the stalemate in the nation, how in the hell are u a Somali nationalist knowing this and enjoy PL in limbo status while Hamar just carries on for decades achieving nothing in the mandate given to it.

 

[Idilinaa]

PL doesn't want to break away, it has declared it has had Enuff of Somalia 40 year abysmal track record and their nothing to show for it.

Stop assuming PL is SL for f*ck sakes and that we will just violate Somalia sovereignty and break the international rules based order especially when we pride ourselves as a region who desires to become a state based on respect and enforcement of systematic laws not politicians of the day toxicity. PL wants to do it the proper way where Mogadishu is consulted and convinced plus reassured it is for the benefit of all Somalis and Mogadishu that this PL arrangement is settled on.

We want to present one sovereign state yet two distinct and independent system models that are suitable to preserving Somalia territorial integrity while it's political and economic integrity is given distinct treaty status like Hong Kong and China for a 99 year duration where PL can have breathing room to conduct nation-state building since the on land conditions are favorable and Hamar can focus on immediate stability tasks since those are the conditions on land.

PL n Hamar can meet and review the treaty every 25 years or after 5 sitting presidential terms to discuss Mogadishu maturity in terms of security, rule of law, socio economic gains, local and foreign confidence, state craft, political stability, and good governance track record. We will develop a formula and weights and scores and risk matrix to judge it on sound metrics not political whims of the day.

It is unfair that PL has to sit there and wait for Mogadishu to achieve stability while it's people are suffering or on the brink of extinction due to the stalemate in the nation, how in the hell are u a Somali nationalist knowing this and enjoy PL in limbo status while Hamar just carries on for decades achieving nothing in the mandate given to it.

There’s an important distinction between advocating for functional autonomy within a federal framework which Puntland already enjoys and pushing for a parallel sovereignty or treaty-style arrangement. The latter risks setting dangerous precedents that undermine national cohesion.


The Hong Kong v China analogy doesn’t really apply here. That was a unique case shaped by colonial legacy, and even that model is now under serious strain. Somalia’s solution must come from our own political realities, not imported frameworks that don’t reflect our context or social fabric.


I completely agree the instability in Mogadishu and the south has created serious bottlenecks that affect the entire country, including Puntland and Somaliland. But the answer isn’t political separation it’s deeper, more coordinated political integration, where regions work together to push for governance reform and structural change at the center.


We already operate like a single economic space. There is a level of trust and cooperation in trade and society that doesn’t yet exist in our politics and that’s what needs to change.


Finally, I think both Puntland and Somaliland should also own their share of the past. They’ve played roles in shaping Somalia’s current trajectory, including the dynamics in Mogadishu. In many ways, they’re now grappling with the consequences of that. Rebuilding requires honesty, not just blame.

 

[DR OSMAN]

There’s an important distinction between advocating for functional autonomy within a federal framework which Puntland already enjoys and pushing for a parallel sovereignty or treaty-style arrangement. The latter risks setting dangerous precedents that undermine national cohesion.


The Hong Kong v China analogy doesn’t really apply here. That was a unique case shaped by colonial legacy, and even that model is now under serious strain. Somalia’s solution must come from our own political realities, not imported frameworks that don’t reflect our context or social fabric.


I completely agree the instability in Mogadishu and the south has created serious bottlenecks that affect the entire country, including Puntland and Somaliland. But the answer isn’t political separation it’s deeper, more coordinated political integration, where regions work together to push for governance reform and structural change at the center.


We already operate like a single economic space. There is a level of trust and cooperation in trade and society that doesn’t yet exist in our politics and that’s what needs to change.


Finally, I think both Puntland and Somaliland should also own their share of the past. They’ve played roles in shaping Somalia’s current trajectory, including the dynamics in Mogadishu. In many ways, they’re now grappling with the consequences of that. Rebuilding requires honesty, not just blame.

PL isn't interested in the blame game but Somali cohesion can be impacted when U see the nation is stuck in a stalemate heading nowhere, where years and decades pass and it ends in with igu sawirs, wa inoo shir kale, or media rants circus. 40 years of this type of outcome can seriously cause the people to hate each other and is counter productive even you know this..

I know PL played a role in Somalia state collapse which it acknowledges and regrets and has tried it's hardest since post 91 not to add more fuel to it and play a constructive role where ever possible even at its own people expense(money, lives, and valuable time).

But this now is entering an area where the toll on it's people is too much to tolerate vs the little gains made over the years in national priorities and outcomes. Yes Mogadishu instability effects PL maybe not directly as observed in the south but indirectly where we are tied to that status and sitting on existential crisis year to year and decades to decades.