Puntland Military Track Record. The Dr Suugo Analysis

[DR OSMAN]

I have thought about this topic after @Inquisitive_ repeated a few times, regarding PL over-all Military Track Record. I must say I disagree with him completely yet again as all of his analysis hasn't gone into the intricate details of why Majerten lose every battle they enter. Yes we do have a poor track record losing battles, from sayid time with the onslaught and throwing off men from cliffs, to the 91 wars in hamar, kismayo, and galkayo and now the wars in Somaliland.

Let's be honest, PL military track record has been atrocious. From the sayid time he brought together various clans with dhulbahante as the number 1 and attacked PL which was one clan. Obviously the death-toll would be high on our end but we did re-buffer him and sent him back home. But the death-toll was a-lot higher on our end.

From 91 we saw huge losses and defeats from the USC, now I can accept that USC won but it needs to be analyzed how they won. They had a key advantage which was uniting all hawiye clans cuz they live close together, there is no geographic divide and especially with the back-drop of anti siyad barrism in the air at the time, it wasn't a hard feat. While Darod clans are 'separated' due to distance PL/JL basically couldn't back each other up or provide support to one and another. Technically it was impossible and that's why some Darods thought it would be better to side with the USC like Colonel Jess and pay homage and hope their isn't casualties on them. While others thought it would be better to break the Hawiye up and that was Abdillahi Yusuf method.

In all reality, politically Abdillahi Yusuf succeeded in his ultimate vision. The Hawiye eventually broke up and fought each other cause Abdilahi Yusuf either persuaded Ali Mahdi(possibly as @Inquisitive_ says thru sixir knowing full well what it will lead too and pampering him he is the owner of Mogadishu and should be president) or Ali Mahdi already had 'political' ambitions inside him and Abdilahi responded to it and said you will get my tribe support and we will make it look like a 'national govt' unlike the USC which was very clannish(irirism). But I know fully that Abdilahi Yusuf agenda wasn't a political post at all, I suspect he wanted the hawiye to eat each other alive. This provides the Darod safety from any onslaught as the Hawiye are distracted on themselves and it also provides an avenue of revenge for the death of Darods in Mogadishu, Kismayo, and Galkayo. Either way I am not sure what motivated Abdillahi Yusuf but these are the scenarios I suspect. But what I am certain of is Abdilahi Yusuf knew the Darod had a key weakness due to geographic distances and I am sure Aideed knew this also and fully exploited it and united the Hawiye, where-as Abdilahi responded by breaking them up and bringing back the sub-clan level playing field again.

Either way whatever method was employed be it the 'sixir' or using Ali Mahdi own selfish agendas for himself, either way we know the result. The Hawiye broke down into a 4 month war and then stale-mate with spurious conflict up untill 2004 and returned to sub-clan politics. In-fact the whole nation did, I suspect this is what he wanted Abdillahi Yusuf as sub-clans we will never defeat each other cuz there isn't a key advantage, it will always end in a stale-mate and I suspect this is what influenced him to implement federalism as it breaks everyone back down into sub-clans and keeps the stale-mate politically/economically/militarily with no-one having an advantage over another and creates an environment of mutual respect and negiotations to prosper. This is my scenarios and I could be totally wrong but this is what I suspect, but it could be wrong and their maybe other reasons for what happened and what motivated our politicians in Somalia during this troublesome era.

Now I won't go into the Islamist era as that isn't a war in-terms of clans vs clans, this is insurgencies and other political agendas at play. Yes clan has a factor and is the driving force involved but it isn't whole clans involved in this but individuals recruited from each clan are put together into formidable force. Yes Shabab is subject to tribe and sends their Mujahids to attack opposite clans, none of them will attack their own 'tol' and they know this. No1 escapes tribalism not even the 'deen'.

OOPS, I went into politics, now lets get back on track. We are talking about PL military track record. So far what we do know is militarily we lost in 91, we even lost in Kismayo among other Darods(even though this is a simplistic view the Marehan had Cayr with them, the MJ didnt have Ogaden with them and the OGS didn't have the MJ with them. The Kablalax alliance broke down and we were divided and hence got swallowed up by two united clans). It's basic maths 2 clans will always beat 1. Heaps of clans in hawiye will always beat the geographically separated clans in PL or JL. Either way we lost but there is explanations for those and the @Inquisitive_ fails to accept these explanations and translates everything into 'majerten' are cowards and naago and need to resort to booty-clappin. He refuses to analyse the intrisicate details involved and the factors at play before reaching such horrendous conclusions.

Please @Inquisitive_ Stop the nonsense of Majerten being women and booty-clappers, take into account the various variables and factors involved. When it comes to one on one sub-clan vs sub-clan noone is stronger, the variables are the same. Look at the Dhulos vs MJ geeljires, always end in stale-mate. Look at Galkayo Omar Mahmud-Sacad always end in stalemate. It's only when it's broadened out and the other clan your fighting hasn't broadened it out, that's when the outcome of the war changes thru pure mathamatics. So no clan is braver then the other bro, it's just some clans way isu habar wacdan so they can get an advantage of another clan who is sitting duck and has no back up. But at a sub-clan level no1 is stronger then another and we have the proof of this since after the fall of the USC and the nation returning to sub-clan politics, we see no1 has won the civil war in military terms. We are in a stale-mate and it will stay like that untill someone begins the 'laysu habar wacdo' and when that happens something will change and an outcome will happen. Till then Somalis are equally the same in military aspects not 1 clan is stronger then the other, including majerten unless the variables are applied which is in laysu habar wacdo and change the dynamics of the battle and get an advantage.

As for the Isaaq, in all honesty what is happening there is dhulos sl vs dhulos pl and it only broadens out when Isaaq get involved or Majerten get involved. Notice, the second Isaaq gets involved, Majerten responds cuz it keeps the stale-mate going and ensures no1 has an advantage. But when it's dhulos sl vs dhulos pl it's the same outcome, a stalemate and then heads into another stalemate cuz mj and isaaq get involved which check each other off. It's pure mathematics wallahi. But at a sub-clan level wallahi I will be suprised a sub-clan is stronger then another in Somalia. I have yet to see the evidence for this anywhere in the nation untill laysu habar wacdo which changes the dynamic and only changes if the opposing clan doesn't respond with in laysu habar wacdo.

So Please drop this Anti Majerten crusade, it's not a fair analysis what your doing and the doctor had to respond and put inquisitive in his place. To everyone else, Suugo Analysis OVER N OUT.

 

[Arma]

No need to write yourself an essay, saxiib. I don't really take the words of people from clans:

Who have lost territory to other clans, are under the boots of another clan, under Amisom guardianship, and Al Shabab reign of terror, seriously when it comes to fighting ability, or the "warrior spirit" (of beating poorly equipped clans who dont expect a conflict, by sneak attacking them at 3am, or burning alive old nan's and her grandchildren).

 

[DR OSMAN]

No need to write yourself an essay, saxiib. I don't really take the words of people from clans:

Who have lost territory to other clans, are under the boots of another clan, under Amisom guardianship, and Al Shabab reign of terror, seriously when it comes to fighting ability, or the "warrior spirit" (of beating poorly equipped clans who dont expect a conflict, by sneak attacking them at 3am, or burning alive old nan's and her grandchildren).

Bro don't u see the isaaq tactics. I know what their doing, I am just suprised noone in PL does. They are slowly encroaching bit by bit, that's how scientifically it is done, when you lost one tuulo u will be like listen not fight over it cuz it isn't a big impact and if u continuously do this following the same pattern bit by bit the person it's being done to won't recognize it and if he does he will just say it's one tuulo and not worth the struggle. But the strategy is simple, 1 or 2 tuulos a year x 10 years they will be in buura wadal 5 kilometers outside garowe and u will be like how in the world did this happen, it's cause u didn't see the strategy being employed, it's called encroaching and doing it slowly so the enemy doesn't feel it's worth a war over a small loss but small losses over 10 years become a big loss. It's a strategy sxb a war tactic.

Now if Isaaq do get to buura wadal which they may if they continue on this strategical decision, this will end PL dominance in Somalia. Isaaq n Hawiye will unite again and say u slam galkayo while I slam garowe cuz were both close to it in proximity and this will make PL surrender itself to IRIR domination politically or else be told 'hareerahina baan fadhina' ma waxad rabta in duulan kale lagu soo qaado and being sandwiched and knowing your weakness that u can't fight in two direction warfare, u will automatically surrender to any demand that is asked of u which is obviously to remove you from influence in Somalia.

The only reason Aideed failed other then abdilahi yusuf breaking them up was he wanted to do a huge change once and that 'wakes ppl' up and they form defences automatically, it's scientific waxani sxb noone escapes science.

 

[Arma]

Bro don't u see the isaaq tactics. I know what their doing, I am just suprised noone in PL does. They are slowly encroaching bit by bit, that's how scientifically it is done, when you lost one tuulo u will be like listen not fight over it cuz it isn't a big impact and if u continuously do this following the same pattern bit by bit the person it's being done to won't recognize it and if he does he will just say it's one tuulo and not worth the struggle. But the strategy is simple, 1 or 2 tuulos a year x 10 years they will be in buura wadal 5 kilometers outside garowe and u will be like how in the world did this happen, it's cause u didn't see the strategy being employed, it's called encroaching and doing it slowly so the enemy doesn't feel it's worth a war over a small loss but small losses over 10 years become a big loss. It's a strategy sxb a war tactic.

Now if Isaaq do get to buura wadal which they may if they continue on this strategical decision, this will end PL dominance in Somalia. Isaaq n Hawiye will unite again and say u slam galkayo while I slam garowe cuz were both close to it in proximity and this will make PL surrender itself to IRIR domination politically or else be told 'hareerahina baan fadhina' ma waxad rabta in duulan kale lagu soo qaado and being sandwiched and knowing your weakness that u can't fight in two direction warfare, u will automatically surrender to any demand that is asked of u which is obviously to remove you from influence in Somalia.

The only reason Aideed failed other then abdilahi yusuf breaking them up was he wanted to do a huge change once and that 'wakes ppl' up and they form defences automatically, it's scientific waxani sxb noone escapes science.

You need to claim the hell down, man. You're way to panicky for Somali politics. I would seriously advise you to, quit following Somali politics, you're just gonna continue to have heart attacks, for the littlest thing that happens.

This whole 'takeover' of Tukara (or however you spell that Beggarbant sh*thole), is nothing more than two Beggarbant factions fighting for control of the town.

Taking 1 or 2 tuulos a year x 10 years, and they'll be at the gates of Garowe, you say? Sh*t man, SL have had Las Anod for almost 11 years now, and they haven't done a damn thing, since then. Hell, the SL flag is able to fly above L.A. is due to Hargiesa wiring millions of $$ to prominent members of the major subclan that rules L.A. Its a real shame, because Hargiesa could better use that money to feed the poor people of Gabiley, who are eating cats and porcupines, and showering once a week.

As for Reer Anuka Leh, I'll start worrying about them, when they are able to rid themselves of the Amisom guardianship and Al Shabab reign of terror.

Like I said, Somali Politics isn't for you. Please don't think I'm having a go at you, because I'm not, bro.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You need to claim the hell down, man. You're way to panicky for Somali politics. I would seriously advise you to, quit following Somali politics, you're just gonna continue to have heart attacks, for the littlest thing that happens.

This whole 'takeover' of Tukara (or however you spell that Beggarbant sh*thole), is nothing more than two Beggarbant factions fighting for control of the town.

Taking 1 or 2 tuulos a year x 10 years, and they'll be at the gates of Garowe, you say? Sh*t man, SL have had Las Anod for almost 11 years now, and they haven't done a damn thing, since then. Hell, the SL flag is able to fly above L.A. is due to Hargiesa wiring millions of $$ to prominent members of the major subclan that rules L.A. Its a real shame, because Hargiesa could better use that money to feed the poor people of Gabiley, who are eating cats and porcupines, and showering once a week.

As for Reer Anuka Leh, I'll start worrying about them, when they are able to rid themselves of the Amisom guardianship and Al Shabab reign of terror.

Like I said, Somali Politics isn't for you. Please don't think I'm having a go at you, because I'm not, bro.

You only see what is in-front of you, you don't see motives and purposes, you just see Dhulbahante fighting. Dhulbahante is their key to get to Buura wadal, I honestly don't think it's even about borders but it's to ensure garowe has an enemy right outside it's gate and galkayo has an enemy already there. Are u saying those two enemies won't realize the advantage they have and unite on a policy? they will just attack u in garowe with snm and usc in galkayo, how u gonna fight from two angles please tell me?

U know Somali politics is for me, I am telling u things u don't see. Politics isn't about wat u see, it's about what u dont and the only way u can see what u don't is look at their tactics over a period of time, political strategy is science. Politics isn't for u deep down, your a cheerleader and u just look at what's on the chess board, not why the moves are made!!! U see the dhulbahante the chess pieces, u don't see why the moves are happening and what the plan is for those moves.

I can't believe this guy doesn't know politics is chess and it's about strategy and when u make a move u do it cause u want to reach an ultimate 'end' and every move u make no matter how small or big is being set to move there cuz u know what u wanna do. The moves are simple here, surround the king with enemy pieces.

 

[Abdalla]

You keep saying that AY AUN broke them up. That's not true. The USC went to Djibouti conference in 1991 as one fraction but left the conference as two fractions. They broke up because Darod delegate which was led by Abdirizaq Haji Hussein and Gen. Muhammed Abshir Hamaan recognized Ali Mahdi as interim president. AY AUN was released from Ethiopian prison in late 1991. He did not even participate in the Gaalkayo war wherein usc was pushed back all the way to Gelinsoor. He assumed SSDF leadership in 1992 and started a military campaign against Islamists in Bari in 1992.

As @Armadillo said it's always those that lost land and are dodging Shabab bombs that accuse us of not being warriors. @inquisitive and his Sacad folks lost Hobyo to Saleebaan, which use to be their biggest city.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You keep saying that AY AUN broke them up. That's not true. The USC went to Djibouti conference in 1991 as one fraction but left the conference as two fractions. They broke up because Darod delegate which was led by Abdirizaq Haji Hussein and Gen. Muhammed Abshir Hamaan recognized Ali Mahdi as interim president. AY AUN was released from Ethiopian prison in late 1991. He did not even participate in the Gaalkayo war wherein usc was pushed back all the way to Gelinsoor. He assumed SSDF leadership in 1992 and started a military campaign against Islamists in Bari in 1992.

As @Armadillo said it's always those that lost land and are dodging Shabab bombs that accuse us of not being warriors. @inquisitive and his Sacad folks lost Hobyo to Saleebaan, which use to be their biggest city.

That's possible, I am not sure who was playing but I know Ali Mahdi had his own intentions but he could've been encouraged by the darods whoever was representing them as an opportunity to dismantle the Hawiye and have them return internally and let darod escape unscatched. He could've had sixir done on him sxb as @Inquisitive_ states. I respect both your positions, Ali Mahdi may have had his own agendas and wanted to run or as @Inquisitive_ says sixir was done on him by Darod delegation to run so darod are not harmed and leave unscatched. Now I respect I don't know who was there at that time cuz I don't know the intricate personal stuff, I am studying the 'tactics' and weaknesses and strengths of each clans and the playing field at the time cuz no1 escapes the environment in science no 1. I think I am pretty damn close, you criticized me on who the person representing darod was and that don't matter really that's a minor detail it doesn't effect tactics and strategy at a clan level which is fueled by clan elders. And you said the USC faction divided, this could've been planned before with a meeting with darods privately before they did divide officially. Plus u say Darod faction supported Ali Mahdi, so what made them support him? it's cause aideed was killing them and by supporting him, are u saying they think aideed would not fight back and fight ali mahdi? that's naive bro if u think that. U know there would be a war, so the question is why would u want a war for between hawiye? the only reason is they stop killing u and maybe cuz u wanted revenge for darod slayings. Or u could've of possibly wanted a longer term outcome which is to return to sub-clan politics and keep hawiye divided and separate from each other and not united and have them be similar in composition to PL/JL which will create a stalemate.

Now By breaking down into sub-clan it has ensured the stalemate remains, that part I will not retract, I see it now as evidence and the only reason I can see why the stale-mate occurred is that we went back to sub-clans that's the only denominator that I can see, unless you see another denominator please let me know.

 

[Abdalla]

That's possible, I am not sure who was playing but I know Ali Mahdi had his own intentions but he could've been encouraged by the darods whoever was representing them as an opportunity to dismantle the Hawiye and have them return internally and let darod escape unscatched. He could've had sixir done on him sxb as @Inquisitive_ states. I respect both your positions, Ali Mahdi may have had his own agendas and wanted to run or as @Inquisitive_ says sixir was done on him by Darod delegation to run so darod are not harmed and leave unscatched. Now I respect I don't know who was there at that time cuz I don't know the intricate personal stuff, I am studying the 'tactics' and weaknesses and strengths of each clans and the playing field at the time cuz no1 escapes the environment in science no 1. I think I am pretty damn close, you criticized me on who the person representing darod was and that don't matter really that's a minor detail it doesn't term tactics and strategy.

Now By breaking down into sub-clan it has ensured the stalemate remains, that part I will not retract, I see it now as evidence and the only reason I can see why the stale-mate occurred is that we went back to sub-clans that's the only denominator that I can see, unless you see another denominator please let me know.

Ali Mahdi was used big time but make no mistake his Abgaal militia were filthy mooryaans too. There's no lost love between us. Backing him as a fake president was a cold calculated chess move. Abdirizaq knew they would fight over, and that's what mattered.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I have thought about this topic after @Inquisitive_ repeated a few times, regarding PL over-all Military Track Record. I must say I disagree with him completely yet again as all of his analysis hasn't gone into the intricate details of why Majerten lose every battle they enter. Yes we do have a poor track record losing battles, from sayid time with the onslaught and throwing off men from cliffs, to the 91 wars in hamar, kismayo, and galkayo and now the wars in Somaliland.

Let's be honest, PL military track record has been atrocious. From the sayid time he brought together various clans with dhulbahante as the number 1 and attacked PL which was one clan. Obviously the death-toll would be high on our end but we did re-buffer him and sent him back home. But the death-toll was a-lot higher on our end.

From 91 we saw huge losses and defeats from the USC, now I can accept that USC won but it needs to be analyzed how they won. They had a key advantage which was uniting all hawiye clans cuz they live close together, there is no geographic divide and especially with the back-drop of anti siyad barrism in the air at the time, it wasn't a hard feat. While Darod clans are 'separated' due to distance PL/JL basically couldn't back each other up or provide support to one and another. Technically it was impossible and that's why some Darods thought it would be better to side with the USC like Colonel Jess and pay homage and hope their isn't casualties on them. While others thought it would be better to break the Hawiye up and that was Abdillahi Yusuf method.

In all reality, politically Abdillahi Yusuf succeeded in his ultimate vision. The Hawiye eventually broke up and fought each other cause Abdilahi Yusuf either persuaded Ali Mahdi(possibly as @Inquisitive_ says thru sixir knowing full well what it will lead too and pampering him he is the owner of Mogadishu and should be president) or Ali Mahdi already had 'political' ambitions inside him and Abdilahi responded to it and said you will get my tribe support and we will make it look like a 'national govt' unlike the USC which was very clannish(irirism). But I know fully that Abdilahi Yusuf agenda wasn't a political post at all, I suspect he wanted the hawiye to eat each other alive. This provides the Darod safety from any onslaught as the Hawiye are distracted on themselves and it also provides an avenue of revenge for the death of Darods in Mogadishu, Kismayo, and Galkayo. Either way I am not sure what motivated Abdillahi Yusuf but these are the scenarios I suspect. But what I am certain of is Abdilahi Yusuf knew the Darod had a key weakness due to geographic distances and I am sure Aideed knew this also and fully exploited it and united the Hawiye, where-as Abdilahi responded by breaking them up and bringing back the sub-clan level playing field again.

Either way whatever method was employed be it the 'sixir' or using Ali Mahdi own selfish agendas for himself, either way we know the result. The Hawiye broke down into a 4 month war and then stale-mate with spurious conflict up untill 2004 and returned to sub-clan politics. In-fact the whole nation did, I suspect this is what he wanted Abdillahi Yusuf as sub-clans we will never defeat each other cuz there isn't a key advantage, it will always end in a stale-mate and I suspect this is what influenced him to implement federalism as it breaks everyone back down into sub-clans and keeps the stale-mate politically/economically/militarily with no-one having an advantage over another and creates an environment of mutual respect and negiotations to prosper. This is my scenarios and I could be totally wrong but this is what I suspect, but it could be wrong and their maybe other reasons for what happened and what motivated our politicians in Somalia during this troublesome era.

Now I won't go into the Islamist era as that isn't a war in-terms of clans vs clans, this is insurgencies and other political agendas at play. Yes clan has a factor and is the driving force involved but it isn't whole clans involved in this but individuals recruited from each clan are put together into formidable force. Yes Shabab is subject to tribe and sends their Mujahids to attack opposite clans, none of them will attack their own 'tol' and they know this. No1 escapes tribalism not even the 'deen'.

OOPS, I went into politics, now lets get back on track. We are talking about PL military track record. So far what we do know is militarily we lost in 91, we even lost in Kismayo among other Darods(even though this is a simplistic view the Marehan had Cayr with them, the MJ didnt have Ogaden with them and the OGS didn't have the MJ with them. The Kablalax alliance broke down and we were divided and hence got swallowed up by two united clans). It's basic maths 2 clans will always beat 1. Heaps of clans in hawiye will always beat the geographically separated clans in PL or JL. Either way we lost but there is explanations for those and the @Inquisitive_ fails to accept these explanations and translates everything into 'majerten' are cowards and naago and need to resort to booty-clappin. He refuses to analyse the intrisicate details involved and the factors at play before reaching such horrendous conclusions.

Please @Inquisitive_ Stop the nonsense of Majerten being women and booty-clappers, take into account the various variables and factors involved. When it comes to one on one sub-clan vs sub-clan noone is stronger, the variables are the same. Look at the Dhulos vs MJ geeljires, always end in stale-mate. Look at Galkayo Omar Mahmud-Sacad always end in stalemate. It's only when it's broadened out and the other clan your fighting hasn't broadened it out, that's when the outcome of the war changes thru pure mathamatics. So no clan is braver then the other bro, it's just some clans way isu habar wacdan so they can get an advantage of another clan who is sitting duck and has no back up. But at a sub-clan level no1 is stronger then another and we have the proof of this since after the fall of the USC and the nation returning to sub-clan politics, we see no1 has won the civil war in military terms. We are in a stale-mate and it will stay like that untill someone begins the 'laysu habar wacdo' and when that happens something will change and an outcome will happen. Till then Somalis are equally the same in military aspects not 1 clan is stronger then the other, including majerten unless the variables are applied which is in laysu habar wacdo and change the dynamics of the battle and get an advantage.

As for the Isaaq, in all honesty what is happening there is dhulos sl vs dhulos pl and it only broadens out when Isaaq get involved or Majerten get involved. Notice, the second Isaaq gets involved, Majerten responds cuz it keeps the stale-mate going and ensures no1 has an advantage. But when it's dhulos sl vs dhulos pl it's the same outcome, a stalemate and then heads into another stalemate cuz mj and isaaq get involved which check each other off. It's pure mathematics wallahi. But at a sub-clan level wallahi I will be suprised a sub-clan is stronger then another in Somalia. I have yet to see the evidence for this anywhere in the nation untill laysu habar wacdo which changes the dynamic and only changes if the opposing clan doesn't respond with in laysu habar wacdo.

So Please drop this Anti Majerten crusade, it's not a fair analysis what your doing and the doctor had to respond and put inquisitive in his place. To everyone else, Suugo Analysis OVER N OUT.

Sayiidka had every Somali tribe fighting for him including dhulbhante and warsengeli and Isaac hawiye against just Majeerteen how is that a fair fight yet Majeerteen won cause he died in the wilderness cause boqor cismaan refused him entry into majeertenia persona none grata so we won how did we loose did he bring down majeertenia? Certainly not.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Ali Mahdi was used big time but make no mistake his Abgaal militia were filthy mooryaans too. There's no lost love between us. Backing him as a fake president was a cold calculated chess move. Abdirizaq knew they would fight over, and that's what mattered.

At least your honest, cuz u cant say two men who armed with moryaans and u support one isn't going to end in a deadly battle!! The question is you knew this would happen, cuz two leaders dont bow to each other who armed to the teeth don't just step aside cuz of some 'conference' in djibouti. U knew deep down there would be a war. I just want to know what your reasons for wanting it and I can only sumize you either wanted hawiye to kill themselves so you leave unscatched and possibly to get revenge at the same time or u wanted hawiye to break down after a war and mistrust to foster and they return to sub-clans and be similar in composition as PL N JL who are really sub-clans in different areas.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

At least your honest, cuz u cant say two men who armed with moryaans and u support one isn't going to end in a deadly battle!! The question is you knew this would happen, cuz two leaders dont bow to each other who armed to the teeth don't just step aside cuz of some 'conference' in djibouti. U knew deep down there would be a war. I just want to know what your reasons for wanting it and I can only sumize you either wanted hawiye to kill themselves so you leave unscatched and possibly to get revenge at the same time or u wanted hawiye to break down after a war and mistrust to foster and they return to sub-clans and be similar in composition as PL N JL who are really sub-clans in different areas.

It’s was a choice between the two and we chose ali Mahdi how is it anyone’s fault that they slaughtered eachother accept themselves?

I have to hand it to you you’re indeed a chameleon but you have finally showed your true colours.

 

[DR OSMAN]

It’s was a choice between the two and we chose ali Mahdi how is it anyone’s fault that they slaughtered eachother accept themselves?

I have to hand it to you you’re indeed a chameleon but you have finally showed your true colours.

Bro U know me the evidence will always trump my biases. If I can criticize myself and break myself down and you wouldn't know how bad I criticize myself sxb, I am very tough on myself. I won't hide from critiquing my own clan. I won't sit there and just cheerlead when I see evidences that are suggesting something far more sinister at play here. For example you can't tell me your a saint and the evidences you leave behind are dead bodies everywhere, looted cash, treating ppl badly. I have to assess the evidence and look at your claim of sainthood and say, sorry but your 'af' and your 'ficil' are in two contradictory positions.

 

[BenInHer]

Habibi, you need to take some time off SSpot.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Habibi, you need to take some time off SSpot.

Yeah I disappear for a month or two

 

[BenInHer]

Yeah I disappear for a month or two

thats good walaalo, don't get sucked in the rabbit hole.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Bro U know me the evidence will always trump my biases. If I can criticize myself and break myself down and you wouldn't know how bad I criticize myself sxb, I am very tough on myself. I won't hide from critiquing my own clan. I won't sit there and just cheerlead when I see evidences that are suggesting something far more sinister at play here. For example you can't tell me your a saint and the evidences you leave behind are dead bodies everywhere, looted cash, treating ppl badly. I have to assess the evidence and look at your claim of sainthood and say, sorry but your 'af' and your 'ficil' are in two contradictory positions.

How is ali Mahadi and ceydiid killing and slaughtering eachother in Mogadishu our fault? What are you going to blame us for next Hiroshima and Nagasaki

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

thats good walaalo, don't get sucked in the rabbit hole.

Nacas bila dhiig ba tahay fickle minded as they come rabbit hole kulaha war hadu illahay ku roon yahay you’re a rabbit go and hide before you get devoured

 

[BenInHer]

Nacas bila dhiig ba tahay fickle minded as they come rabbit hole kulaha war hadu illahay ku roon yahay you’re a rabbit go and hide before you get devoured

Fabio, you getting worked up for nothing subhanallah

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Fabio, you getting worked up for nothing subhanallah

I’m calling a spade a spade my views on you has remained consistent you’re like the Christian Who say if someone slaps you on one cheek offer them the other were as I believe in an eye for an eye a life for a life.

 

[BenInHer]

I’m calling a spade a spade my views on you has remained consistent you’re like the Christian Who say if someone slaps you on one cheek offer them the other were as I believe in an eye for an eye a life for a life.

I never asked what you think of me, or really cared, and could give too shits about what you believe. if i did i would be quoting you, which i didn't. Now kindly f*ck off will yea