Puntland Forefathers Were Great Thinkers

[DR OSMAN]

We should give thanks to our founding father, especially the traditional leaders. I like the idea how things are shared on districts rather then clan(this can't be measured) only districts can be. There are many clans in PL who do not get representation as they clearly have no district. All parliaments are based on districts around the world not this crazyness of 'tribe'. People assume puntland is shared along tribal lines, it is far from the truth. The seats were given based on your districts and how many you have, not your tribe because we can't measure your tribe, we can only work of your district.

Plus I like how PL shared it's economic resource, it was done equitably and fairly. Galkayo-Las anod even though they were accessible due to the highway, their security situation wasn't great and hosting a government there wasn't feasible. Badhan was totally inaccessible also with no road plus the SL issues there was unpredictable also.

This left only Bosaso, Qardho, Garowe as prime candidates for the capital and Bosaso was probably told 'no' we can't have the capital and economic lifeline together as one, there needs to be separation so power can be checked. Garowe now needs Bosaso due to the port plus Bosaso needs Garowe due to the Capital. This is a fair way sharing in my opinion.

I can't see any problems with the way Puntland was created at all, it works perfectly yet you have people who criticise it in Somalia not understanding how the state came to be. All they see is tribe, puntland isn't based on tribes. It's based on districts, you don't get a seat if you can't prove your district in puntland. Those people need representation ma garatay?

 

[DR OSMAN]

I feel sorry for SL and how it was founded though. Terrible principles guns and killings isn't a great thing to begin with but what makes it worse is how they shared the state. It's all swinged to Habar awal most likely due to 'egal' influence. The capital is hargeisa yet the port is in berbera in the same 'gobol' all in one clan majority area, the whole state then has swung towards that clan's area with totally unchecked power and resources while the other states rot away. A fairer deal would be burco as capital and berbera as port.

Both regions would all need each other now, with one hosting the govt and the other hosting the port. But no the habar awal swung it all to his side, I bet their not even somaliland believers because let's ask them why not share the state fairly. It provides a true check n balance yet fosters unity because each will need the other with one hosting the capital in the east and one hosting the port in the west. But no, these hj/hy are insane for accepting this deal. How did they accept such a deal? It beggers belief that the whole state is located to one sub clan area, miyanu joggin dad damiir leh waagi somaliland dhismaysee?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Suldaanka read the constitution of Puntland and how many districts are listed.

1. Bari with 6 districts; 2. Nugal with 4 districts; 3. Mudug with the exception of Hobyo and Harardhere districts (North Mudug which belongs to Puntland has 3 districts); 4. Sanag except El-afweyn and Northwest of Erigabo district (this region has 3 districts); 5. Sool with 3 districts; 6. Ayn with 3 districts.

I am not 100% sure but I think each district get 3 MPS. Because Sanaag is 3 districts on the constitution. They have 9 MPS. So that's 3 x 3 = 9 MPS. Where as Sool-Ayn is 6 districts so it's 6 x 3 = 18 MPS. Nugaal is 4 districts x 3 = 12 MPS. Mudug is 3 districts so that's 3 x 3 = 9 MPS. Bari is 6 x 3 districts = 18 MPS.

But their clearly has been some sort of adjustment that has occurred. Because Bari has more mps then it should and has 21 districts currently. Nugal should have 12 MPS but we are missing 3 MPS because all we have is 9 MPS. Where have they gone? Most likely 2 to bari and 1 to mudug. Mudug has 10 MPS when it should only have 9 MPS. Them SOOL/AYN niggas must of thrown 1 MP out too Sanaag for the ugadhyahan because sanaag only should get 9 MPS but it has 10 MPS with that extra one being maxamud garaad. SOOL/AYN must of handed one MP in addition to Sanaag quota to represent maxamud garaad in sanaag and this brings sool/ayn back down to 17 as they currently are

I am not sure how Bari got it's 21 seats even after nugaal clearly added 2 for them from our 12 seats which brought nugaal down to 9. Damn nugaal are tight, look how we sacrificed our own quotas for bari and mudug. Maybe @Reer-Bari can explain why he has 21 seats in Bari when you are only 6 districts according to the old siyad barre constitution and should only get 18 MPS. Nugaal gave you 2 is my guess because mudug also has an extra one that it shouldn't get and there is no where else they could've of got it but nugaal who is down 3 mps.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Waryaa @Reer-Bari you ducking this topic which is to show you reer bari and reer mudug are not loyal that is why it's so divided in those areas. Only nugaal true puntlanders, we sacrificed 3 seats we had all the rights too for the establishment of puntland. You sacrificed nothing infact you stole more then what was your fair share of 18 mps for 6 districts 3 per each as the formula was agreed on. You got 3 extra and Mudug got 1 extra when it should be only 9 MPS.

Ha igu waalin hawiye iyo isaaq iyo waxasi waa sheekada distractions ay iyagu isaaq gudahooda isku samayan markay xaq daro iska galan, sheekada puntland kama jiro ninyahow. You will be questioned on your cadalad daro of taking 3 extra seats you don't deserve. Plus when the f*ck did cayn become 3 districts, it's only 1. Dhulbahante quota should 3 district sool and 1 district cayn. 4 x 3 mps. that's 12. Taas waa xaq. 17ka ay manta haystan ma aha xaq wa cadalad daro. Nugaal ayaa sacrifice samayay only no-one else did. That's why nugaal is the most stable always.

Puntland dhabta ah waa kan tanasul samayo not kan wax uusan istahilin radsado.

PL xaqda ah waa sidatan. Bari 18. Sool/Cayn 12. Mudug 9. Nugaal 12. Sanaag 9. Parliamentku shouldn't be more then. Parliament should be 60 MPS. 9 ayaa ku siyado ah lakin nugaal ayaa samray oo 3 ka tanasulay qondadisa 12ka ah oo hos uu dhacay to 9 mp.

oo uu bahan burburin deg deg ah iyo waxan la yaaba kuwa weli radinayo in la furfure yaab badana nimankani. Dad badan ayaa nugaal ku baahisan sadexda kursi nugaal ka maqan sida awrtable iyo reer omar, iyo leelkase so you should thank you for the extra seats

 

[Reer-Bari]

Waryaa @Reer-Bari you ducking this topic which is to show you reer bari and reer mudug are not loyal that is why it's so divided in those areas. Only nugaal true puntlanders, we sacrificed 3 seats we had all the rights too for the establishment of puntland. You sacrificed nothing infact you stole more then what was your fair share of 18 mps for 6 districts 3 per each as the formula was agreed on. You got 3 extra and Mudug got 1 extra when it should be only 9 MPS.

Ha igu waalin hawiye iyo isaaq iyo waxasi waa sheekada distractions ay iyagu isaaq gudahooda isku samayan markay xaq daro iska galan, sheekada puntland kama jiro ninyahow. You will be questioned on your cadalad daro of taking 3 extra seats you don't deserve. Plus when the f*ck did cayn become 3 districts, it's only 1. Dhulbahante quota should 3 district sool and 1 district cayn. 4 x 3 mps. that's 12. Taas waa xaq. 17ka ay manta haystan ma aha xaq wa cadalad daro. Nugaal ayaa sacrifice samayay only no-one else did. That's why nugaal is the most stable always.

Puntland dhabta ah waa kan tanasul samayo not kan wax uusan istahilin radsado.

PL xaqda ah waa sidatan. Bari 18. Sool/Cayn 12. Mudug 9. Nugaal 12. Sanaag 9. Parliamentku shouldn't be more then. Parliament should be 60 MPS. 9 ayaa ku siyado ah lakin nugaal ayaa samray oo 3 ka tanasulay qondadisa 12ka ah oo hos uu dhacay to 9 mp.

oo uu bahan burburin deg deg ah iyo waxan la yaaba kuwa weli radinayo in la furfure yaab badana nimankani. Dad badan ayaa nugaal ku baahisan sadexda kursi nugaal ka maqan sida awrtable iyo reer omar, iyo leelkase so you should thank you for the extra seats

we have more seats because we are double the population. how is district based representation fair. that doesnt make any sense. barri is the largest in somalia not only puntland. we deserve more than 21. why would reer nugaal get anymore. they should give 2 more too reer mudug. and stop wasting my time with topics like this. if you want to talk abou unfair representation than your looking at the wrong things

 

[Guts]

we have more seats because we are double the population. how is district based representation fair. that doesnt make any sense. barri is the largest in somalia not only puntland. we deserve more than 21. why would reer nugaal get anymore. they should give 2 more too reer mudug. and stop wasting my time with topics like this. if you want to talk abou unfair representation than your looking at the wrong things

He’s always coming for reer bari to boost his puntlandernimo.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am thinking about garowe location. It's suited perfectly, haday is waalan. Bari waa laga soo gala qardho-bosaso-badhan road to be done. Galkayo iyo burtinle waa laga soo gali kara. Las anod iyo dhinacasi waa laga soo gali kara. Ninka ka fekeray casimadaynta garowe was smart chap wallahi. Where-as Habar awal dhinaca samaroon they will never feel threatened.

Dhinaca burco bay ka cabsanayan iyo erigavo so their ensuring their dependent on hargeisa and berbera at all times and no koboc ah dhaqaale. Cigaal left habar awal safe in the habar habar politics. That is why the war is always focussed on the burco side of somaliland, and not anywhere else. British borders is a brilliant excuse also to keep people not knowing.

Haday dhinicasi kala jecel yihin wax bay uu gaban lahayeen which they dont ever. It's purely to keep them submissive and eventually crushed and dependent on habar awal territories. World bank has removed burco from primary cities in somalia, so it's basically working the habar awal politics. Burco will be heading towards baargaal and caluula routes. So when the recognition game ends and they join somalia and lets be real they will sooner or later, everything is so habar awal focussed only habar awal will lead the northern politics or their 'lackeys' because the whole state is based around them.

The right policies would've ensured burco and erigavo were primary cities and somaliland is equally share by all habars, those policies are nowhere to be seen. They even get so scared when one of them questions them, they start bicide and sacad yonis wars or dhulbahante

 

[DR OSMAN]

PL is vastly different. Galkayo and Bosaso serve as our financial life line and garowe only administrative, there is clearly no dominance. It is a policy that requires all survive together or noone survives. Badhan is clearly joining in also with the road and where that will lead into the future(calmadow agriculture). Las anod if it played wisely could've served as the next burco of the northern regions which is clearly neglected and use that ring area to link it all to las anod for services which badhan clearly is trying to do now. Siday isku galan isaaq haday ka dhici lahayd puntland, civil war ba ka dhici laha mar hore. No wonder they had a civil war in SL.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Bohol there will never be peace in isaaq until habar awal ring is dismantled and the state is shared accordingly to regions so each clan territory is an equal stakeholder. Till then clans will feel they are being dominated by habar awal territories. Burco and Hargeisa were equal in the 90s, today due to egal policy they are clearly are not.

Burco can be revived tho, it just needs 30 years worth of focus from the government same with erigavo like hargeisa unfairly got, that gave them the edge over other habars. Because you all had equally impressive towns to work off, established towns. Erigavo-Burco-Hargeisa-Berbera. Nothing like that existed in PL. That should've seen all habars strong in somaliland.

 

[Lordilord]

Keep Somaliland cities out of your mind..

Stick to Puntland cities, who cares if their are your cousin. Life is unfair get over it..

 

[DR OSMAN]

Keep Somaliland cities out of your mind..

Stick to Puntland cities, who cares if their are your cousin. Life is unfair get over it..

I am speaking to @Bohol and Caare as they are in the kings district and we have chats about what the real issue is in SL, your not welcome in the discussion, your a jeegaan, you clearly benefit from somaliland project unfairly, we are trying to figure out what the real reason and motives are behind habar awal swinging everything towards hargeisa-berbera and neglecting burco-erigavo? Burco had a road plus a similar sized city as hargeisa so there is no excuse there. We never see the SL govt inject anything into burco, it's always the 'locals' and ngos they bring.

f*ck outta here waryaa with your darod boogeyman shit so you can make habar awal strong and HY weak. Hadad isaaq dacad ka tahay you wouldn't neglect HY areas, you want him to die and u should admit it rather then conceal it, the more u conceal stuff, the stronger wars get.

 

[DR OSMAN]

don't worry @Lordilord HY has sided with the right tribe. Reer puntland this time. We will ensure he is strong in SL without un-necessary bloodshed and if there is we will make sure it doesn't happen with large casualty rate similar to how darod wars are. We evacuate immediately and don't cause much loss in lives when darods war. We will teach him the tricks. It won't be similar to the alliance he had with habar gedir, he is talking with kings here boy.