Puntland Can Gain Independence While Being A Federalist

[DR OSMAN]

Puntland desperately needs to execute our Plan B option in our constitution

1. Dawladda Puntland waa qayb ka mid ah Soomaaliya, xil ayaana ka saaran hirgelinta Dawlad Soomaaliyeed oo ku dhisan habka Federaaliga ah.

2. Awoodaha Dawladda Puntland ay ku wareejin doonto Dawladda Federaalka ee Soomaaliya iyo xuquuqaha ay yeelanayso Puntland, waxa ay ku imaanayaan wada xaajood iyo heshiis dhexmara Dawladda Federaalka iyo Dawladda Puntland, taas oo lagu qeexi doono Dastuurka Federaalka iyo kan Dawladda Puntland

3. Inta laga dhammaystirayo Dastuur federaal ah oo Puntland wax ka ansixisay ka dibna afti dadweyne lagu meelmariyey, Puntland waxay lahaaneysaa awood Dawlad madaxbannaan.

4. Dawladda Puntland waxaa u bannaanaanaysa in ay dib u eegto arrimaha ku xusan faqradaha 1aad, 2aad iyo 3aad ee isla qodobkan, haddii:

b. Soomaalidu ku heshiin weydo qaab-dhismeed dawladeed oo aan ka hooseyn nidaamka Federaaliga ah.
t. Ay daba dheeraadaan daganaansho la’aanta iyo dagaallada ka aloosan qaybaha kale ee Soomaaliya.

The Puntland constitution says if Somalia instability continues, that we have a 'right' to review our regional membership in Somalia.

Now the question remains in many Puntite people mind how do we go about getting our independence. I think I have found a way that can satisfy our locals whether they are pro union or secessionist.

We need to execute our constitutional law to 'review' PL status in Somalia on the grounds Somalia instability has been on-going since 2004 which is nearly 20 years and federalism hasn't been achieved as intended. This now gives our politicians a constitutional reason to discuss our regional membership in Somalia.

For Puntland to get it's independence we should hold talks with the SFG and demand that Puntland is given 'Independent Nation State' status under SFG constitution and recognized by the SFG for period of 99 years and every 25 years Puntland and the SFG will do a 'review' to see if the south is stable enough for a federal union.

This means we satisfy our local unionist that we will re-join Somalia when it's 'safe to do so', I mean even foreigners hide out in 'containers' in halane not wanting to be nowhere near Mogadishu, so it's silly of our unionist to pressure our people to join such place that is un-stable. We can finally satisfy our 'secessionist' that PL has full nation state status for 99 years and we can pursue our own developmental goals not tied to a dysfunctional capital.

The good thing about my approach is we don't want to throw our 'eggs' all into one basket approach like Somaliland with recognition begging worldwide. I say this because we don't know if in the future Puntland starts to decline or has political problems, so if we leave that small window open of 'rejoining' Somalia when it's 'safe' to do so, this allows us Plan B lifeline, if Puntland doesn't turn out how we wanted. However the great thing is, if the south is still unstable, we didn't waste our time being tied to the HIP and PL can enjoy progressing and developing. So we get to 'eat' our cake 'both' ways which is the best type of political strategy.

The worst political strategy is having one plan like Somaliland and relying on that, you always need another PLAN to revert to if your original plan isn't working. If we do the once every 25 year 'generational' review on the 'south' and if the situation gets better, we will discuss with them our federal rights/duties and their federal rights/duties, but if the south remain how it is, it's no skin of our nose, we can continue enjoying our nation state status and say 'adios' to the south for another 'generational review' in 25 years.

If Mogadishu is how it is in 99 years, then our future generation can decide to cut the 'cord' officially and we would've enjoyed nation state relations and development for 99 years by then and will be welcomed into the international community.

So this is the best approach now for my Beloved Puntland. Our local unionist will be happy that we will re-join a FUNCTIONING Somalia under a 'federal system'. Our seccesionists will be happy we don't need to be tied to the hip of the dysfunctional capital and enjoy nation state status for 99 years. Plus we get to eat 'both' ways in the event PL fails, we can rejoin the south, in the event the south is failing, we enjoy our independence. That is the 'art' of politics, is to win no matter what side the future goes and that's why 'extreme' solutions or 'one' sided solutions never win the future like HAGS/SNM.

 

[Aurelian]

 

[Based]

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Based When the South is fully federalized, has strong institutions, is internationally endorsed as 'credible' and security returns and prosperity begins, PL will consider re-joining that 'type' of Somalia, that's the smart approach. If the south is unstable, not federal, no prosperity, it makes no sense why PL would join such a place. So to be fair to the unionist every 25 years we will review on the ground in the south to see if it has reached those milestones we demand and if not why can't I continue being independent doing my own thing?

It doesn't mean I gave up on federalism, I am still waiting for federal somalia and will be happy to rejoin it but at this stage the south has it's hand's full and it's best for my regional interest to be independent untill they sort out their issues.

 

[bidenkulaha]

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[DR OSMAN]

I want my puntite descendant in 99 years not to be stuck in failed region(Puntland) or stuck in failed nation(Somalia), they can assess the situation on the ground in the south every 25 years(one generation timeline) and make their own rational decision to continue being independent or re-join Somalia. If 99 years treaty expires, they can choose 3 options.

1. Extend the treaty and continue waiting for a federal somalia while being a nation state
2. Cut the cord and say goodbye to the south
3. Rejoin the south

We must think about our future generation and pass on plans to them so they are always winning some-way.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The proposal I made can satisfy Puntite unionists and secessionist. It can satisfy the SFG that puntland is independent however we are still federalist and will wait for the south to be functioning again and doing generational reviews over those 99 years to see if the conditions are in place for a federal union

This is how u do politics, where every side can come to a compromise plus we hand to our descendants multiple options to execute depending on local conditions.

 

[InaShaqalle]

PL has been peaceful and fully autonomous for 24 years now yet it's remained underdeveloped and poverty stricken to this day. Puntland needs to be part of Somalia for its own self interest, period

 

[Prince of HS]

Puntland actually thinks they're more important than they really are. there is literally nothing you guys provide to Somalia or the fgs as of today. If you guys left Somalia right now, there is nothing that the rest of us would lose out on. Nothing productive nor beneficial comes out of that barren wasteland

 

[DR OSMAN]

My Model explained

 

[Rationale]

Puntland actually thinks they're more important than they really are. there is literally nothing you guys provide to Somalia or the fgs as of today. If you guys left Somalia right now, there is that the rest of us would lose out on. Nothing productive nor beneficial comes out of that barren wasteland

Why would we let them go? No swine deserves his own country. They are meant to be ruled by others.

 

[Prince of HS]

Why would we let them go? No swine deserves a country.

no, I wouldn't want to let them go due to the sole fact Somalia's new shape would look ugly on a map ( i like the 7 look Somalia has now) as well as the fact I love controlling them and showing them who has ultimate politcal leverage and control of the capital. But it is also good once in every while to remind them they literally don't bring anything to the table.

 

[CanoGeel]

no, I wouldn't want to let them go due to the sole fact Somalia's new shape would look ugly on a map ( i like the 7 look Somalia has now) as well as the fact I love controlling them and showing them who has ultimate politcal leverage and control of the capital. But it is also good once in every while to remind them they literally don't bring anything to the table.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Ditoore, we will have to maintain our one foot in one foot out policy for a while till these unionist odays die out. In the meantime, we need to educate our youths on their history/culture starting with switching to osmaniya script.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Ditoore, we will have to maintain our one foot in one foot out policy for a while till these unionist odays die out. In the meantime, we need to educate our youths on their history/culture starting with switching to osmaniya script.

Exactly you don't put 'two foot in one place or side'

 

[Rackzzz]

Puntland actually thinks they're more important than they really are. there is literally nothing you guys provide to Somalia or the fgs as of today. If you guys left Somalia right now, there is nothing that the rest of us would lose out on. Nothing productive nor beneficial comes out of that barren wasteland

So why do you futo madows always get mad when PL independence is brought up as if you can stop it? There would be no one to babysit your mentally challenged people if we left, this why you can’t get off our nuts.

 

[Prince of HS]

So why do you futo madows always get mad when PL independence is brought up as if you can stop it? There would be no one to babysit your mentally challenged people if we left, this why you can’t get off our nuts.

Are we the ones who made the thread? No one literally cares if u leave. Maybe only hg who enjoy cucking u guys in galkacyo.

 

[Thebluesomali]

Puntland actually thinks they're more important than they really are. there is literally nothing you guys provide to Somalia or the fgs as of today. If you guys left Somalia right now, there is nothing that the rest of us would lose out on. Nothing productive nor beneficial comes out of that barren wasteland

If PL decided to declare independence from Somalia you know how many of you would go and cry and complain. At the end of the day none can deny how much better the standards of living and level of safety there is in Northern Somalia. The south has shit the bed in so many ways.

 

[Rackzzz]

Are we the ones who made the thread? No one literally cares if u leave. Maybe only hg who enjoy cucking u guys in galkacyo.

He is MJ man talking about MJ affairs, we don’t need the opinion of a half jareèr nigga who’s balls are held by a Ugandan.

Stop trying to derail the thread we know those niggas are Reer Mahad condoms.

 

[Thebluesomali]

no, I wouldn't want to let them go due to the sole fact Somalia's new shape would look ugly on a map ( i like the 7 look Somalia has now) as well as the fact I love controlling them and showing them who has ultimate politcal leverage and control of the capital. But it is also good once in every while to remind them they literally don't bring anything to the table.

What political leverage? How many politicians have been denied entry into PL. We dgaf about what the FGS thinks or does, you can't do shit to us nor can you control us. What state is better than us? Maybe worry about freeing yourself first. Every Somali president candidate gotta kiss the MJ ring don't forget about that.