Puntland 2014-2018 Has Failed Politically

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We need to discuss the next phase of PL politics. 98 was one big phase the creation of a state. 2004-2009 was another phase the founding of the federal government. 2012 was another phase the constitution. We have been lagging ever since politically and it's been back n forth with mogadishu with no concrete solution. 2014-2018 has been a total loss for puntland in terms of political progress.

The gaas era hasn't moved the nation politically whatsoever. There is nothing from 2014-2019 oo lagu xusi karo ninkasi. Federally the man has been a disaster. @Saahid Qamaan I agree with you there.

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DR OSMAN

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2014-2019 Era is the first time we become like 'snm' has been for 30 years, totally irrelevant in politics and achieving nothing in terms of our national political agenda. It has been a loss and puntites must wear this on the shoulder. 1998 was a win and the founding of the state. 2004-2009 was a win cementing the federal government in Somalia. 2009-2012 even far0ole secured us a constitution(transitional). Marki la yirahdo sumcadi puntland ayaa dhulka gashay, I can't see any arguments in all honesty.

What can we attribute to Gaas 2014-2019 political progress? I see nothing to attribute to him. He should've of not only finished the constitution and made it official, he should've of ensured power sharing, resource sharing was all complete also and 4.5 completely removed. That would've been a historic achievement if he did that but he didn't.

The opposition is loud against Gaas and we must listen to the opposition also. We will waste another 5 years under this man if re-elected in terms of cementing federalism, constitution and power sharing and resource sharing. If we don't get these things through sxb, development will remain slow in puntland as we are considered a place that is politically unstable and agreements not honored.
 
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I have confidence that the good people of Pland will never devolve into huto and mooryanimo. You guys have different daqan. No looting, thieving etc

Yeah never heard of a puntland politician or any civilian who has looted Somali assets or wealth or anything from siyad barre govt in the civil war. In-fact we still have the same electricity plant in operation from siyad barre days, it's only been expanded due to the population growth in Bosaso. The national highway is pretty much immaculate in comparison to the rest of the country also. We took care of what was given to us by Siyad barre even though it was minor in comparison to Mogadishu.

Even the military base in Garowe was a siyad investment and still in operation. Galkayo run-way is still how it is even though the aborigines on the south side try to destroy it many times throwing 'rockets' from the southern suburb.

There is another thing that I pride myself with. We haven't been implicated in any clan wars against any clan since 1991.
 
Dr Osman not only federally but he failed miserably on all front.

Security

Promised to return Laascaanood by force but instead lost Tukaraq and famous tank which his home region famed itself with.

Economy

What can I say? Ministries are shut, workers not paid as well as constant mutiny of all security forces.

Inflation, corruption and mismanagement.

Democratisation

Key indicator as he said if I do not implement at the end of my term 'Abdiwali Gaas has failed' judge me on that.

He did not even come close and Puntland is still there.

Sweet Water promise for Garoowe

Big failure
 

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The man has been an utter disaster.

Who you support for the presidency. I don't see any real candidate that is going to bring miracles either other than promises which is what Gaas gave us also, a-lot of promises and nothing fullfilled. What makes these candidates any different, cuz they do the same and just promise the world?
 

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Dr Osman not only federally but he failed miserably on all front.

Security

Promised to return Laascaanood by force but instead lost Tukaraq and famous tank which his home region famed itself with.

Economy

What can I say? Ministries are shut, workers not paid as well as constant mutiny of all security forces.

Inflation, corruption and mismanagement.

Democratisation

Key indicator as he said if I do not implement at the end of my term 'Abdiwali Gaas has failed' judge me on that.

He did not even come close and Puntland is still there.

Sweet Water promise for Garoowe

Big failure

In all honesty the 'pay' situation only happens around 'election' times and not before or why didn't they complain before? the reason is the funds dedicated for the staff are used for eletioneering. In all honesty these guys get paid when there is no election and they just 'exagerrate' too the maximum.

Democratization is a long way ahead in my view, it requires reliable institutions or else people will say the results are corrupted and cause possible civil wars which our 'enemies' will take advantage of. We got the hurdle of the constitution to over-come which is very difficult to open untill 'all mp's agree on it' or a majority do and all 'isimo' are in union again about opening it.
 
Dr Osman the economy was disastrous from the start and the man is known for stealing diverting money for his own pleasure.

A well known liar and charlatan. With sincere leadership and honesty the state's integrity and failure can be repaired.
 

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Doing better than Somaliland currently. the only thing Somaliland has is a system of governance but PL is more effective in Sanaag
 

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Doing better than Somaliland currently. the only thing Somaliland has is a system of governance but PL is more effective in Sanaag

Sanaag has greater prospects to develop under puntland. Because there is a peace accord among the communities there. Makhir community willingly joined Puntland, noone went to their districts with guns bruv, don't forget that. Noone is going to HY districts with guns either. It's against puntland constitution which says 'districts may join freely' puntland if they so wish.

We didn't even force Saaxo in mudug(marehan district) or Towfiiq district(dir district), the constitution doesn't allow us to go there with guns and force people to join us. Ask @Dues Ex Machete @Sheikh noone used to disturb them in Saaxo.

Aar ha dhahan qoryo iyo xasuuq iyo awood baloo sheegtay, they can't. Puntland is highly different to Somaliland, it isn't founded with 'guns and rebels' and through 'pain of 88'. The HY community in Sanaag if they wish to join Puntland they are welcome to do so as the constitution of puntland allows all to join but it must come from them and their elders and dadka talada ka goc'do.

Even them Sool niggas sxb it's their elders and 90% of their politicians who want politician. If those garaads left puntland wallahi I don't think we would bother with Sool. PL was founded very differently to Somaliland that's all I gotta to say. It's not the same founding principles at all.

Ask the sacad boys if Puntland ever forced them to join our administration saying Galkayo anaga ugu badane, ku soo biira, we never did. @SomaliWadaniSoldier He can hate us all he wants but he knows, he will never be forced by Puntland to become a puntlander.
 

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I have also noticed PL doesn't even have this culture of 'claiming' other people territory, we stick to what is ours and we ask our neighbors if they wish to join us they are free to do so, but there is no 'force' or guns or faking maps or sending incorrect information to the world, it won't change the reality on the ground and it just makes somalis waste time for another 10 years because in reality nothing will change on the ground and things will be how it is like it's always been. The only thing that will change is we waste further time on nonsense.

Where-as Hawiye are notorious for claiming land, they tried with force under aideed in the south. They also do it in political circles, we know what happened to aideed in the end, same thing will happen to their fake politicians claiming land and territories that isn't there. They're favorite is to claim Galkayo or Kismayo, like wtf. Same thing will happen like aideed, as 10 years is wasted and then that politician in mogadishu dies off like aideed did and all we have to show for it is 10 years of waste because nothing has changed on the ground, it's still how it is.
 

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TBH I think Gaas brought something far more valuable than few policies. He brought unity back. Not sure if you remember the last few years before his presidency, but unity was all time low. Lots of inter clan fightings in Bari, Mudug was chaotic, Sanaag was totally forgotten. It was every clan fighting for survival. Subclans threatening to leave Puntland and declare their own states. Raas Caseyr state, west Puntland state, you name it.

The Bari fightings ceased to exist, the yaryars are happy. No armed opposition. People are not dying because of politics.

Gaas might have been a failure in some aspects, but he was a necessary break that Puntland needed.
 

DR OSMAN

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TBH I think Gaas brought something far more valuable than few policies. He brought unity back. Not sure if you remember the last few years before his presidency, but unity was all time low. Lots of inter clan fightings in Bari, Mudug was chaotic, Sanaag was totally forgotten. It was every clan fighting for survival. Subclans threatening to leave Puntland and declare their own states. Raas Caseyr state, west Puntland state, you name it.

The Bari fightings ceased to exist, the yaryars are happy. No armed opposition. People are not dying because of politics.

Gaas might have been a failure in some aspects, but he was a necessary break that Puntland needed.

Yeah I remember the continuous battles that occurred under Farole, it was a terrible time in terms of stability, which I think Farole, his son, or his staff and ministers had a hand to play in them. I think we lost like 500 people in a single year under farole or some wild statistic I saw posted back in those days in websites. That has calmed down definitely. The intra puntland wars has stopped, but our external wars did increase also. Af-urur in galgala, Shabab invasion of mudug, Somaliland invasion of Tukaraq, galmudug wars,. So yeah our internal beefs died but our external beefs have risen quite dramatically in comparison to farole years. Mind you none of them were 'caused' by us though and was clearly aggression from our neighbors.
 

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@Abdalla Our external beef really depends on who is leading our neighbors and the government in control in mogadishu at the time. Farole definitely had an easier 'partner' to work with in terms of 'sharif' which Gaas didn't in terms of 'hassan sheikh' another nut-case with HG feeding him shit after what they did to his town you would think he would know better.

It does depend a-lot our southern security who is 'president of mogadishu' not so much who is president of 'galmudug' because mogadishu really controls galmudug today and they can cause a war to happen anytime between PL/GM, using any sort of excuse they can find or 'blow out of porportion' a few reer miyi who killed each other and turn into an all out regional war. Mogadishu president is very important we ensure is someone that is 'peace orientated' to secure our own peace solidly. Somaliland president is very important for us to ensure SSC matters do not escalate.

Farole definitely had good ties with Hargeisa thru family links and had a good working partner in mogadishu 'sharif' which is why he was so successful in delivering at least a constitution for the nation. Gaas I must be honest had the worst working partners in terms of mogadishu hassan sheikh for 2 years and then 3 years of this clown farmaajo who still lives in the 70s and doesn't know it's 2019 and 30 years of civil war has occurred.
 

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It is absolutely paramount to get rid of 4.5 so these langaab who are getting voices and totally unequipped politically and who have a disporportionate level of voice in comparison to their population in the nation has to go. It's what stalling the nation in reality as they elect or vote for people who are clearly not the type of person who is workable with regional governments. We need federal authorities who are elected it doesn't matter their tribe but who are workable partners. It's about securing political progress for the nation and leaving something behind nothing else in politics as that is what is remembered in all honesty.

We should elect sharif back in again is my bet. Have a good hawiye partner at the table, rather then focusing on electing someone from our tribe who may turn out to be an obstacle like farmajo and stall the whole nation from moving forward because of his 'siyad barre dream days' which will never come back. Right now Gaas is passing the next president basically no progress politically as the next president just picks up from where Gaas left off, nothingness. It's about leaving your successor progress to work from and each passing progress to the next, it's team effort waxani niyahow, it's not something 1 person can do and requires dedication and commitment from each president or else we will stay where we are and continue to fall behind as a nation as a whole.
 
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This 'golaha iskaashiga' is great, we will need each administration to align their politics in the next election and ensure MP's sent to mogadishu are aligned to federalism and electing a candidate for the next election who is pro federalism as it's the benefit of all regional government. So I thank Gaas for at least kick-starting this. It needs to be strengthened a-lot more though. It's paramount in the next elections the MP's sitting for each regional area are in the same 'ball park' and same 'interest' we want a 'yes man' for regional governments to speed up the progress politically.

It's highly critical for the next president of puntland to ensure this happens so a good working partner is elected in Mogadishu this time or totally do away with this 4.5 is a better option and go back to district sharing the parliament like normal parliaments are built. Puntland is built on district sharing, you ain't eating shit in puntland if you don't have a district sxb, it's got nothing to do with 'qabiil'. Many qabiils don't have districts in puntland and guess what, they are not represented in parliament. Why you think their is a race now to create your own districts? wallah qabiil waxba kuma helaysid in puntland. It's highly different to this 4.5 shit mogadishu works of.
 

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I have also noticed PL doesn't even have this culture of 'claiming' other people territory, we stick to what is ours and we ask our neighbors if they wish to join us they are free to do so, but there is no 'force' or guns or faking maps or sending incorrect information to the world, it won't change the reality on the ground and it just makes somalis waste time for another 10 years because in reality nothing will change on the ground and things will be how it is like it's always been. The only thing that will change is we waste further time on nonsense.

Where-as Hawiye are notorious for claiming land, they tried with force under aideed in the south. They also do it in political circles, we know what happened to aideed in the end, same thing will happen to their fake politicians claiming land and territories that isn't there. They're favorite is to claim Galkayo or Kismayo, like wtf. Same thing will happen like aideed, as 10 years is wasted and then that politician in mogadishu dies off like aideed did and all we have to show for it is 10 years of waste because nothing has changed on the ground, it's still how it is.

Lol talk about claim

Puntland is founded on claiming all darood land regardless of colonial boundaries which all states follow.

SANAAG & SOOL was fully under Somaliland till PL sent their agents to change Public opinion in the territories. Abadhan Las Worst and many others were happy being with somaliland and celebrating 18 May till you lot got involved but also kulmiyes fault for neglecting those areas
 
SL claims up to that tree near Garowe. SL might be in Dhulo lands, but they obviously looking towards Nugaal. MJs might have to address this issur militarily because if I was MJ I wouldn't want my neighbors letting SL troops in until they reach the Dhulo MJ borders/bufferzone.

I am not familiar with Dhulo sub clans or their territories this is just an observation I made.
 

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SL claims up to that tree near Garowe. SL might be in Dhulo lands, but they obviously looking towards Nugaal. MJs might have to address this issur militarily because if I was MJ I wouldn't want my neighbors letting SL troops in until they reach the Dhulo MJ borders/bufferzone.

I am not familiar with Dhulo sub clans or their territories this is just an observation I made.
Its dhulbhante land do you wxpect mj to invade dhulbhante land? That will never happen as far as i am concerned dhulbhante belong to isaaq
 
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