I have serious doubts about religions It sounds very unreal but when I was in jail I came back to allah and prayed alot thats why I came out I need real proof islam is real because there's lots of reasons for it to be fake and I want to be on the right path not a rocky atheist road which will lead me to hell. I haven't prayed in a bit because of my doubts someone please debunk all this bs
Please prove to me islam is real
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“IT IS HE WHO CREATED NIGHT AND DAY, THE SUN AND THE MOON, EACH FLOATING IN ITS ORBIT.”[21:33]
The Quran would have been wrong according to astronomers just a couple of decades ago. But we now know that the Quranic account of the Sun’s motion is consistent with modern Astronomy.
“AND IT IS WE WHO HAVE BUILT THE UNIVERSE WITH [OUR CREATIVE] POWER AND KEEP EXPANDING IT.”[51:47]
The fact that the universe is expanding was discovered in the last century. The physicist Stephen Hawking in his book ‘A Brief History of Time’ writes, “The discovery that the universe is expanding was one of the great intellectual revolutions of the 20th century.”The Quran mentioned the expansion of the universe even before the invention of the telescope!
“DID WE NOT MAKE THE EARTH A RESTING PLACE? AND THE MOUNTAINS AS STAKES?”[78:6-7]
The Quran indicates that mountains have deep roots by using the word stakes to describe them. In fact, mountains do have deep roots, and the word stakes is an accurate description for them. A book titled ‘Earth’ by Geophysicist Frank Press explains that mountains are like stakes, and are buried deep under the surface of the earth.Mount Everest, the height of which is approximately 9 km above ground, has a root deeper than 125 km.
The fact that mountains have deep ‘stake’ like roots was not known until after the development of the theory of plate tectonics in the beginning of the 20th century.
WE MADE THE SKY A PROTECTIVE CEILING. AND YET THEY ARE TURNING AWAY FROM OUR SIGNS!” [21:32]
The Quran points to the sky’s protection as a sign of Allah. The protective properties of the sky were discovered by scientific research conducted in the 20th century.
“DARKNESS OUT IN A DEEP OCEAN WHICH IS COVERED BY WAVES, ABOVE WHICH ARE WAVES, ABOVE WHICH ARE CLOUDS, LAYERS OF DARKNESS, ONE UPON THE OTHER. WHEN ONE PUTS OUT HIS HAND [THEREIN], HE CAN HARDLY SEE IT. THOSE GOD GIVES NO LIGHT TO, THEY HAVE NO LIGHT.”[24:40]
It is commonly thought that waves only occur on the surface of the ocean. However, oceanographers have discovered that there are internal waves that take place below the surface of the ocean. These waves are invisible to the human eye, and can only be detected by specialist equipment. The Quran mentions darkness in a deep ocean above which are waves, above which are waves, then clouds above that. This description is not only remarkable because it describes the internal waves in the ocean, but also because it describes darkness deep in the ocean. A human being can dive no more than 70 metres without breathing equipment. Light is present at that depth, but if we go down 1000 metres it is completely dark . 1400 years ago there were no submarines or specialist equipment to discover internal waves or the darkness deep inside the oceans.
The Quran would have been wrong according to astronomers just a couple of decades ago. But we now know that the Quranic account of the Sun’s motion is consistent with modern Astronomy.
“AND IT IS WE WHO HAVE BUILT THE UNIVERSE WITH [OUR CREATIVE] POWER AND KEEP EXPANDING IT.”[51:47]
The fact that the universe is expanding was discovered in the last century. The physicist Stephen Hawking in his book ‘A Brief History of Time’ writes, “The discovery that the universe is expanding was one of the great intellectual revolutions of the 20th century.”The Quran mentioned the expansion of the universe even before the invention of the telescope!
“DID WE NOT MAKE THE EARTH A RESTING PLACE? AND THE MOUNTAINS AS STAKES?”[78:6-7]
The Quran indicates that mountains have deep roots by using the word stakes to describe them. In fact, mountains do have deep roots, and the word stakes is an accurate description for them. A book titled ‘Earth’ by Geophysicist Frank Press explains that mountains are like stakes, and are buried deep under the surface of the earth.Mount Everest, the height of which is approximately 9 km above ground, has a root deeper than 125 km.
The fact that mountains have deep ‘stake’ like roots was not known until after the development of the theory of plate tectonics in the beginning of the 20th century.
WE MADE THE SKY A PROTECTIVE CEILING. AND YET THEY ARE TURNING AWAY FROM OUR SIGNS!” [21:32]
The Quran points to the sky’s protection as a sign of Allah. The protective properties of the sky were discovered by scientific research conducted in the 20th century.
“DARKNESS OUT IN A DEEP OCEAN WHICH IS COVERED BY WAVES, ABOVE WHICH ARE WAVES, ABOVE WHICH ARE CLOUDS, LAYERS OF DARKNESS, ONE UPON THE OTHER. WHEN ONE PUTS OUT HIS HAND [THEREIN], HE CAN HARDLY SEE IT. THOSE GOD GIVES NO LIGHT TO, THEY HAVE NO LIGHT.”[24:40]
It is commonly thought that waves only occur on the surface of the ocean. However, oceanographers have discovered that there are internal waves that take place below the surface of the ocean. These waves are invisible to the human eye, and can only be detected by specialist equipment. The Quran mentions darkness in a deep ocean above which are waves, above which are waves, then clouds above that. This description is not only remarkable because it describes the internal waves in the ocean, but also because it describes darkness deep in the ocean. A human being can dive no more than 70 metres without breathing equipment. Light is present at that depth, but if we go down 1000 metres it is completely dark . 1400 years ago there were no submarines or specialist equipment to discover internal waves or the darkness deep inside the oceans.
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2 John 1:9-11 ESV /
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
I will send you a free copy of the Holy Bible.
2 John 1:9-11 ESV /
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Ben you went inn still mans defo gonna pray now
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you have no idea how blessed you are too be born a Muslim, don't let the media misguide you from the teaching of prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Geeljire, Don't worry everyone has doubts and thru doubts and questioning will the truth come forward. You simply can't know the truth if you haven't even listened to falsehood and it's points, Most muslims today are most likely going to hell bro only if they know better then they lead ppl to believe. I mean 100 year old grandmother who doesn't need much proof and her faith is established there is no problems with those type of people, they used all their capacity as much as they can. It's just the ones who have more capacity and still don't use it, those ones I wud suspect are lying to themselves,society, family, etc, their not really believers cuz they haven't even tested their faith. They are more muslim for convenience sake. After-all who wants to be separated from their family, friends, society, and potentially be an outcast?
The ones even with a capacity are limited to checking what the Quran says and then finding another source that says the same thing. It's just to reaffirm their position not a true search for truth that one, it's confirmation bias, they already reached a decision on a matter and only seeking materials that support that conclusion.
Firstly don't worry about Atheism, if it turns out to be true, it wont affect you, you will be in a deep sleep, the wise know that option isn't going to hurt anyone. It's what if something does occur, that's where the scary part is and where the wise prepare. As for these concepts of heaven and hell, don't ever believe in it, unless your prepared to stay stuck in 1 area forever just doing the same things over and over again. If there was no death in our life, life would have no 'meaning' or 'purpose' ppl would be going mad on why they are a 'prisoner' to this universe. It's death that makes life appealing as we know once death comes knocking on the door, we can say well we had a good life and it's time to go now. But imagine there was nowhere to go and the day u were born you were told 'geel jire' meeshan ayaa joggi forever, well heaven n hell are not much different concepts, but it's acceptable cuz in the 7th century minds were limited far more limited then us today, technology lacked, access to knowledge wasn't in their favor either, sending a message to another country would take years to arrive. It's like if I was born today and was in the amazon jungle with no contact to the outside world, I will just follow along with the amazon tribe and their beliefs as I don't have the opportunity to cross-examine.
The ones even with a capacity are limited to checking what the Quran says and then finding another source that says the same thing. It's just to reaffirm their position not a true search for truth that one, it's confirmation bias, they already reached a decision on a matter and only seeking materials that support that conclusion.
Firstly don't worry about Atheism, if it turns out to be true, it wont affect you, you will be in a deep sleep, the wise know that option isn't going to hurt anyone. It's what if something does occur, that's where the scary part is and where the wise prepare. As for these concepts of heaven and hell, don't ever believe in it, unless your prepared to stay stuck in 1 area forever just doing the same things over and over again. If there was no death in our life, life would have no 'meaning' or 'purpose' ppl would be going mad on why they are a 'prisoner' to this universe. It's death that makes life appealing as we know once death comes knocking on the door, we can say well we had a good life and it's time to go now. But imagine there was nowhere to go and the day u were born you were told 'geel jire' meeshan ayaa joggi forever, well heaven n hell are not much different concepts, but it's acceptable cuz in the 7th century minds were limited far more limited then us today, technology lacked, access to knowledge wasn't in their favor either, sending a message to another country would take years to arrive. It's like if I was born today and was in the amazon jungle with no contact to the outside world, I will just follow along with the amazon tribe and their beliefs as I don't have the opportunity to cross-examine.
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Geeljire don't make go philosophical and spiritual again, cause it will send you mad. But remember this, the quran repeats 'remembrance' or 'remember' count how many times that word is there in the quran, it's a-lot. There is a reason for this, for I suspect the soul is just your 'memories' cause really that's all you have when you go to god, nothing else. No wealth, no hijab, no beards, no eating with 3 fingers, none of that physical stuff. Your physical body will eventually turn into dust as if you weren't here so I wouldn't bother focusing on that which unfortunately is all Islam focuses on today.
Focus on the areas that count, imagine yourself on your death bed, you will be re-running all your memories like a movie cause you know that's all u have left when everything is gone. So I wouldn't also bother with good and evil, if there was such a thing, morality would be consistent across humanity from day 1 till now and across all cultures and faith but they are not consistent which proves humans make it up as they go along. If you can sleep peacefully knowing you killed 1000 people and have no nightmares, how can god judge you? it's like saying I will judge a mentally ill person for his action, you will be before god to explain your life and if there is no regrets on your part, your not guilty just like a mentally ill person isn't guilty of his actions for he doesn't know what he did was wrong nor do you.
The only problem really is if you actually do know what your doing is wrong and continue to do it. I mean for example, i've been given extra cash at a cash register many times, do I ever return it? nope. Do I lose sleep over it? nope. So I am confident even before Allah I will say I don't feel what I did was wrong like a mental patient doesn't feel he did any wrong. Besides good n evil are human terms, we are not allowed to say allah is like a human in anyway not just physical, emotional, morality, etc for the second we do this, we are in idolatry and no better then previous generation.
You know what hurts humanity the most geeljire? what hurts them the most is not 'knowing' what god is hence they need to COOK up an image of god that suits their desires, it's the worst form of arrogance. The wise just say I am limited human being, I have no right to describe an infinite being, it's not even logically possible to describe something infinitely more wiser then you are, for goodness sakes we don't even describe other human beings but we love describing god. The best answer is saying I know you exist god and I won't describe you in anyway, I'll accept you on your terms not on my terms and surrender in submission. For that's only what a limited being could do is to give total submission not submit to your image of god but to submit to god on his terms not your terms.
I mean seriously geeljire, you do know infinity never ends and you as human being clearly are limited mentally, physically, emotionally. U think can keep chasing an endless rope, you simply cant cause your limited, u will collapse sooner or later mentally, physically, emotionally or any other area but u will collapse. The best option is to say I surrender and sit and wait for god to rescue me, that's possible since an infinite being can easily find a limited being but not the other way around.
Good and Evil really don't exist or else why is OK for a court to execute a man but a citizen can't? isn't killing deemed 'bad' if so no1 should be doing it period, notice how killing is not bad if done correctly. Everything they say is a sin is OK depending on the situation and context. There really is no sin for a man in a court-room who passes a judgment to murder someone thru capital punishment but the second an ordinary citizen orders the death of someone, it's all 'bisinka' hala gabto lacnatallah alaykh, etc.
Unfortunately the current form of Islam is trying to chase this god thru prayers, good deeds, bad deeds, trying to cut a deal with god who is infinity and basically to arrogant so surrender they need to compete with god in some way or form, but don't realize nothing a limited being does can effect an infinite being. It's the infinite being that can effect u yes but not the other way around.
Me personally I think someone who is humble and accepts they got nothing to offer and surrender willingly, it shows your not arrogant which Satans real face, it's arrogance, it's arguing with god notice he argued with god about adam and then made a deal with god he will take away as many souls as possible. Notice how Muslims try to do the same trade their good deeds with god, it's all the same shit but different tools being used but they are all consistently united in the fact of arrogance and not accepting god is not your job to explain.
Focus on the areas that count, imagine yourself on your death bed, you will be re-running all your memories like a movie cause you know that's all u have left when everything is gone. So I wouldn't also bother with good and evil, if there was such a thing, morality would be consistent across humanity from day 1 till now and across all cultures and faith but they are not consistent which proves humans make it up as they go along. If you can sleep peacefully knowing you killed 1000 people and have no nightmares, how can god judge you? it's like saying I will judge a mentally ill person for his action, you will be before god to explain your life and if there is no regrets on your part, your not guilty just like a mentally ill person isn't guilty of his actions for he doesn't know what he did was wrong nor do you.
The only problem really is if you actually do know what your doing is wrong and continue to do it. I mean for example, i've been given extra cash at a cash register many times, do I ever return it? nope. Do I lose sleep over it? nope. So I am confident even before Allah I will say I don't feel what I did was wrong like a mental patient doesn't feel he did any wrong. Besides good n evil are human terms, we are not allowed to say allah is like a human in anyway not just physical, emotional, morality, etc for the second we do this, we are in idolatry and no better then previous generation.
You know what hurts humanity the most geeljire? what hurts them the most is not 'knowing' what god is hence they need to COOK up an image of god that suits their desires, it's the worst form of arrogance. The wise just say I am limited human being, I have no right to describe an infinite being, it's not even logically possible to describe something infinitely more wiser then you are, for goodness sakes we don't even describe other human beings but we love describing god. The best answer is saying I know you exist god and I won't describe you in anyway, I'll accept you on your terms not on my terms and surrender in submission. For that's only what a limited being could do is to give total submission not submit to your image of god but to submit to god on his terms not your terms.
I mean seriously geeljire, you do know infinity never ends and you as human being clearly are limited mentally, physically, emotionally. U think can keep chasing an endless rope, you simply cant cause your limited, u will collapse sooner or later mentally, physically, emotionally or any other area but u will collapse. The best option is to say I surrender and sit and wait for god to rescue me, that's possible since an infinite being can easily find a limited being but not the other way around.
Good and Evil really don't exist or else why is OK for a court to execute a man but a citizen can't? isn't killing deemed 'bad' if so no1 should be doing it period, notice how killing is not bad if done correctly. Everything they say is a sin is OK depending on the situation and context. There really is no sin for a man in a court-room who passes a judgment to murder someone thru capital punishment but the second an ordinary citizen orders the death of someone, it's all 'bisinka' hala gabto lacnatallah alaykh, etc.
Unfortunately the current form of Islam is trying to chase this god thru prayers, good deeds, bad deeds, trying to cut a deal with god who is infinity and basically to arrogant so surrender they need to compete with god in some way or form, but don't realize nothing a limited being does can effect an infinite being. It's the infinite being that can effect u yes but not the other way around.
Me personally I think someone who is humble and accepts they got nothing to offer and surrender willingly, it shows your not arrogant which Satans real face, it's arrogance, it's arguing with god notice he argued with god about adam and then made a deal with god he will take away as many souls as possible. Notice how Muslims try to do the same trade their good deeds with god, it's all the same shit but different tools being used but they are all consistently united in the fact of arrogance and not accepting god is not your job to explain.
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I am muslim and nope I was comfortable there mHow did you survive in bin did you pretend to be Muslim
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