PL Minister Carshe Saciid on Federal elections
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Dr Osman spoke on this topic also here
@Chase will be happy to hear what the minister says. Let's focus on ourselves he said, we don't need to worry about Federal govt matters. Which is exactly what Chase was saying in my thread.
@Chase the minister said PL strategy was to come out strong round 1 and calculate if it's worth to do any 'coalition' with others, at the time he said they didn't think a 'coalition' was needed and they would get thru round 2 becuz they were leading Round 1.This was a critical error. They needed to 'coalition' with 'aaran jaan backed kheyre' after round 1 results, and if they did that, HSM wouldn't win.
I like the wisdom the minister gave HSM, don't test us again in PL which is code-word for don't try your 2016 galkacyo wars or copy farmajo centralism, as u know who will win in the end.
We might not become president, but we will ensure your ass is replaced and your government treated like another 'obstacle' to Somalia stability.
Puntland is the strongest clan in Somalia, anything we reject, all somalis will reject like we saw with farmajo.
We might not become president, but we will ensure your ass is replaced and your government treated like another 'obstacle' to Somalia stability.
Puntland is the strongest clan in Somalia, anything we reject, all somalis will reject like we saw with farmajo.
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Focus on yourselves when you lose?
This is xasidnimo , you lost the election. Say mashallah and now work with the new president.
This is xasidnimo , you lost the election. Say mashallah and now work with the new president.
As @Chase said and the minister confirmed PL has it's own hands full.
1. We need to hold one man one vote by Jan 8 2024
2. We got the 3G road and Garacad port concluding
3. The El-Dahir to Erigavo Road.
4. We need to finish Bosaso port expansion with DP world
5. We need to do our business as usual functions to increase water coverage be it dams or wells rurally, new roads in our cities and inter-region, health targets, etc.
6. Expand our Manufacturing sector and decrease un-employment.
The minister is right we got our own hands full and we need a Puntland first approach.
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@Neero That el-dahir to erigavo road will create boom towns along that road and new settlements. Lots of warsangeli will return and invest into Badhan, becuz it won't be so in-accessible anymore.
Warsangelis should focus also on creating a 'calmadow' tourism and advertise in Somalia and Africa T.V. But most importantly, the sanaag admin shud begin sub-divide up 'fertile' land and be the backbone of the farming sector in PL. It would be far cheaper to operate farms in Sanaag mountains then the rest of Puntland.
Warsangelis should focus also on creating a 'calmadow' tourism and advertise in Somalia and Africa T.V. But most importantly, the sanaag admin shud begin sub-divide up 'fertile' land and be the backbone of the farming sector in PL. It would be far cheaper to operate farms in Sanaag mountains then the rest of Puntland.
Most important thing in bari iyo sanaag is to deal with the terrorist who dwells in the mountains we need to deal with them asap
@Neero The next boom industry in Somalia, is not natural resources(oil, livestock, frankincense, fishery, mining) it's taking natural resources and creating 'value added products'. For example you know with 'milk' u can can create 100 different types of product, same with water, same with construction(windows, doors, housing gates, bricks, cement, etc).
This is my advice to Puntland to head down this 'track' of economic development and it will reduce unemployment and create larger 'tax revenues' be it thru income or factory.
I am always researching how to create 'value added' products in Puntland. But this is the only path to becoming an 'industrial economy' becuz industrial eeconomies 'value add' and have now thousands of industries. Where-as 3rd world nations rely on natural resource economy like 'farming, livestock, fishery, oil' and that's why they are and will forever be 'third world'. How many jobs can u create from such pathetic economic development, not much.
This is my advice to Puntland to head down this 'track' of economic development and it will reduce unemployment and create larger 'tax revenues' be it thru income or factory.
I am always researching how to create 'value added' products in Puntland. But this is the only path to becoming an 'industrial economy' becuz industrial eeconomies 'value add' and have now thousands of industries. Where-as 3rd world nations rely on natural resource economy like 'farming, livestock, fishery, oil' and that's why they are and will forever be 'third world'. How many jobs can u create from such pathetic economic development, not much.
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Doc, check this out, look at how the Aussies built up Australia in less than 4 generations. Nothing but convicts and thieves, they farmed, digged, went through harsh droughts, etc. They broke their backs for this country, even their dumar weren't exempted, and look at Australia today, easily top 10 liveable standards worldwide.
The Somali male has a cheater mindset, he wants a air-conditioned office, a comfy life & job. How can we build if this mindset in-built into our culture? Genuine question, I don't see us moving forward if we have this aversion to hard labour, how can we rectify this?
@Chase Puntland is focusing on 'rural industry expansion' like 'fishery, livestock, frankincense' and 'exporting' to other countries. But if they focused on 'value added' manufacturing, we cud cut down unemployment and every puntite in a city wud have a job to go too, this will naturally 'boost' our rural development on the side becuz their wud be more income earners in the cities which means they will buy more meat, fish, frankincense, milk, cars, homes, etc.
So the direction PL is taking shows a strong 'lack of economic vision'
So the direction PL is taking shows a strong 'lack of economic vision'
Fisheries/livestock/frankincese etc is where puntland has a competitive advantage currently and earns foreign currency. As of now its the only thing we can use to move up the ladder.
The transition from being a net importing LDC to becoming a developing nation is mainly about moving up from agriculture/textiles/fishing etc to industralization.
The gist of it taking is using its foreign currency from its exports in order to import machines and other inputs to develop better industries.
Start by producing main consumer commodities or staple goods at home and add a tarrifs for bringing things like sugar, flour, cement ,milk that can easily be made here.
Start small make your way up. But the way to go is industrialization and for this a good government is needed to guide the economy.
if you want good books about development economics for the 3rd world read any book by south korean author ha-joon chang (bad samaritans / Kicking away the ladder is best ones imo).
alot of econ books are written with a bias for free-market, liberalization of economy doesnt translate well to countries like somalia imo.
alot of econ books are written with a bias for free-market, liberalization of economy doesnt translate well to countries like somalia imo.
Maybe we need to look at the stock market and 'commodities' as the 'prices' of goods 'float' due to supply/demand, at least we can secure our natural resources the 'right prices' not 'african prices'.
We must look at internal markets be it PL or federally and assess what is in 'demand' and if PL can fill that gap. We need to assess overseas market for foreign currency earnings where they have strong needs and lack supply inputs. Why isn't a report being published by our economists and bringing our capitalists to enter those markets.
A banking 'arm' that is borrowing/lending and 'earning' is critical also. Employees in the future will seek loans for homes, cars, etc. This can create a 'financial hub' for ourselves where our capital 'grows' and other Somalis just 'sit on' their wealth where inflation will make it less value each year. Inflation is 1-3% a year in healthy market, if u multiply that by 30 years. They lost 30-60% of value in their 'millions'.
Never sit on money is what we need to teach PL capitalists. Always ensure your money n wealth is put into assets, shares, or loans. Any investment return needss to 'outstrip' inflation which is 'pure wealth'.
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@Kramer assessing 'market purchasing power' is critical also, there is no point producing goods and getting 'pennies' for it, that's an unsuccessful model. If we are trading in 'africa' we must only 'trade' with them 'commodities' that are internationally 'set' so we don't end up selling in the pennies. Non-commodities market we shud focus on servicing the 'gulf, west' strong purchasing power markets. Imagine we sold our livestock in 'africa', u think we wud get 'gulf prices' for it. See why market purchasing power is critical, especially for non commodities market.
@DR OSMAN It's looking like a dire situation, did you know that Garacad port wasn't even conceived by the Puntland government? It was Cumar Maxamuud reer Cabdi Cisse who came up with the initiative & funds in the initial stages, Puntland only swooped in when reer Cabdi Cisse had support pledged from the other MS/CS clans, as well as outsider stakeholders like Dhulbahante and Ogaden.
The Puntland government is immature and lacks depth, they want the citizens to improve the state, do they not know the building and maintenance of industries is their job? There is no vision, all the industries such as livestock and Frankincense has been with Somalis for centuries, there is no new idea or innovation, maxaa haayo dadkeen?
The Puntland government is immature and lacks depth, they want the citizens to improve the state, do they not know the building and maintenance of industries is their job? There is no vision, all the industries such as livestock and Frankincense has been with Somalis for centuries, there is no new idea or innovation, maxaa haayo dadkeen?
Puntland/Somalia used to manufacture medicine and export it to countries as far away as Europe, the Austrians and French noted the high quality of our exported products. We manufactured shoes, clothes, provided our own cement (all of the plants are closed now for some reason), Somalia was actually a decent upcoming nation in the 60s, it still had its problems for sure, but one thing is certain, we regressed, especially when it comes to our economic vitality.
I agree, which is why somalia due to its location has a location advantage when it comes to access to int'l markets
In africa raw commodities are the number one foreign currency earner, however when prices fall for these commodities the whole economy goes into free fall. The gulf is no different in that aspect and thats why these resource economies aren't really looked at as a example of a industrialized/ high developed country.
To avoid this like you said earlier we need to develop manufacturing and industrialize heavily to avoid the resource trap.
Companies in somalia entering new industries (Producing goods) need protection from international competition (Tarriffs, subsidies and other measures) before they can to compete with superior overseas producers.
BUT
The govt cant protect All producers it must pick industries in which it possesses a comparative advantage. This again requires the guiding hand of the state.
And that's the problem we have, our leaders/top brass are just that incompetent
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