PL/JL/SADE Alliance Is Critical

[DR OSMAN]

I do hold a-lot of Respect for Sade based on Siyad Barre Nation building performance and I think a-lot of Mogadishans do becuz it would take 1000 Mogadishans to achieve the 1 living standard of 1 Mogadishan under Siyad Barre. Plus this guy built all the nation infrastructure, was his economic development perfect, no, but you can't build strong markets without hard-social infrastructure and we know what he inherited from 1960-1969 Govt in terms of that.

I mean the 'national university' only had 'two' faculties 'law and economics', not much social infrastructure inheritance. Even the schools were all foreign/colonial grade garbage and people were like 98% illerate, how can u create jobs for that type of social base? Plus there was no infrastructure either beyond colonial 'buildings'. But this topic isn't about Siyad Barre, allaha yarxama, the DR will always pay his tribute to the real 'father' of the nation.

This about PL/JL/DDSI acknowledging Marehan performance as the 'kacaan architect' plus 'leadership' as Siyad was both, which is usually very 'rare'. Untill this is done, I wouldn't blame Sade considering Darod are their enemies, I would also. Wax loo jeedo ay gabteen in la inkiro, is crazy politics.

Sade however must be told, Somalia today isn't like the past. Today it's in nation rebuilding not 'politics', were not discussing or caring for 4 year 'team captain' roles. Today what is being discused or fought is the future state system which will seal your clan 'future' for centuries to come. Today were discussing the 'coach/architect' role to set up the system. There is 2 main ideas that is guiding nation building >>> Federalism in PL model vs Centralized Federal Model. There is also 'secession' idea by SL, but it has no real 'teeth' either locally or globally.

Sade has to forget about petty 'im team captain' for 4 years and start to join PL/JL in nation rebuilding to ensure our future generations survive and prosper in Somalia. Sade will need to forget petty 'positions' in JL/SFG and make clear what 'team' it is on and which coach bench their going to be on. If you want go ahead and join the HAG coach bench which is working with 'irir' philosophy and has HAG/Djibouti architects behind it and they will ensure they execute 4.5, weak federalism, north/south model, and other state models that suits them and their clan interest.

It is absolutely paramount SADE comes out on TV all their elites, isims, academics, and business class and declare what their philosophy is and what team they will join. Untill I see this, I myself am not confident with Sade, let alone others in PL/DDS/JL.

 

[mohammdov]

I am a Canadian citizen, why am I watching these Africans and their backward tribes

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am a Canadian citizen, why am I watching these Africans and their backward tribes

Go away anything post 91 to today is Irir fault. They won the civil war, Siyad left. No-one opposed them, they didn't want to rule and preferred clan genocide. That's on them, NOT DAROD. My father was in Hamar in 99 with me, he was working with HG circle especially 'caare, qaybdiid' saying 'what the f*ck r u doing' why don't u lead if you want the govt so bad.

Then we saw abdiqasim refused to enter the capital by his own clan, we saw ICU refuse abdillahi and then cayrow another HG refuse Sharif govt and create the shabab u see today. Don't blame Darod, GO BLAME THEM IRIR NUTTERS(SL, DJIBOUTI, HAWIYE).

When PL got involved in 2004-2009, we left behind something POSITIVE, what they have today in Hamar, the SFG. If they just stepped aside for us, we could make Somalia proud once again, but they won't and they don't want to lead either, and that's what you see in Somalia.

 

[mohammdov]

Go away anything post 91 to today is Irir fault. They won the civil war, Siyad left. No-one opposed them, they didn't want to rule and preferred clan genocide. That's on them, NOT DAROD. My father was in Hamar in 99 with me, he was working with HG circle especially 'caare, qaybdiid' saying 'what the f*ck r u doing' why don't u lead if you want the govt so bad.

Then we saw abdiqasim refused to enter the capital by his own clan, we saw ICU refuse abdillahi and then cayrow another HG refuse Sharif govt and create the shabab u see today. Don't blame Darod, GO BLAME THEM IRIR NUTTERS(SL, DJIBOUTI, HAWIYE). When PL got involved in 2004-2009, we left behind something POSITIVE, what they have today in Hamar. If they just stepped aside for us, we could make Somalia proud once again, but they won't and they don't want to lead either, and that's what you see in Somalia.

And what is my relationship with this? My father left Somalia since 1974, and my grandfather died in Aden, and I was not even born there.
Don't get me involved in this African matter that is filled with hatred and rancor

 

[DR OSMAN]

@mohammdov rather then sit on the sideline and booing everyone, why don't u start learning and be apart of the solution. There is irir clan who simply doesn't want or know how to state craft nor govern and all unite themselves around this 'shared' enemy they call 'darood'.

 

[DR OSMAN]

There were only 1 real philosophies ever generated in Somalia.

1. Pan Somalism. Ogaden

But there were many 'architects' who have taken the philosophy and 'state crafted' it.

1. Kacaan. Marehan
2. Federalism. Rahanwayn
3. Centralism/SYL. Majerten
4. Irir. Hawadle

I don't see any new philosophy in Somalia for 120 years since Pan Somalism was introduced by Ogaden. Even our 'Architects' are very 'limited' pool only. Philosophy lama helo si fudud, u need to wait a century and why we need to keep 'absame' on our side. Even 'architect' lama helo that often but it's not as 'rare' as philosophers.

We got 4 architects for 1 philosophy Pan Somalism. I argued to PL to keep our potential enemy architect philosophers allied to Puntland, which includes 'SADE', Hawadle, Rahanwayn who founded all the 'state craft' currently in-use. If we don't, they will find more to undermine us.

I am deep studying into further 'architect' models. I identified China/Hong Kong 2 systems 1 nation model for PL and the SFG to fill the 'clause' that says PL is independent in the SFG constitution and PL constitution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

As punjubis we must dismiss the 'centralism' architecture that SYL and MJ founded, which Irir is using, while we shifted to Rahanwayn architecture Federalism. We must demand nothing less then PL model Federalism and a capital city without 'political/tribal/regional' characteristic or else it won't unite the nation if it takes political weji, tribal weji, or banadiri weji.

We must demand 'somali characteristics' in the selected system not 'foreign or colonial' as we know where that led too. The somali characteristic must accomodate a system where 'qof walbo tiisa ha soo dhisto', which isn't foreign but embedded locally into the Somali Psyche as they all 'yell n scream' 'go to your region and help yourself first'. Any system crafted that is against that cultural characteristic is bound to fail.

 

[DR OSMAN]

As Punjubis and Sade, it is in our interest and all Somali interest we agree on the following.

1. Federalism in PL model and spirit

2. No colonial/foreign characteristics in the system(north/south, 4.5) but 'somali characteristic' such as 'qof walbo tiisa ha soo dhisto' federalism is embedded in the 'somali psyche', it's not taught or exported to them. Even the most reer miyi guy will look at you and say 'war iga tag dhulkaga soo dhiso intadan ila hadlin anigu', if it was foreign-colonial idea, it wouldn't be so universal even to the 'illiterate'.

3. Shared capital or we must demand a capital with the following conditions >>>> it cannot have a political-tribal-regional-district character because Somalis are different tribes, different regions, different politics. It must remain 'ceremonial' and totally 'neutral' status or else it may lose it's legitimacy and another capital must be discussed that can fulfill that role.

4. We must demand to fix SL concern, under 4.5 we allocate Hawiye position to Dir arguing this supports good governance when the city provides a social check n balance on different tribe president/pm to the capital. We must demand since 4.5 is 'tribal' and dir/hawiye are 1 tribe under irir, they get 1 tribe power-sharing allocation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Once those issues are settled. We must begin discussions on the following areas.

1. Taxation/Resource/Foreign Aid formulas. These can be used as Economic war instruments against our regions to make it 'isolated' like South Sudan was by North Sudan @Nilotic. Or it can be used where 1 tribe 'irir' hawiye/dir is essentially >>>> 'double dipping' like they did with 4.5 power-sharing.

2. We must argue as Darod, since 1930s Darods built mogadishu, neglected our lands, proved our somalinimo and therefore for the next 100 years, it's time Hawiye/Dir do the same. Watch their 'camp' absolutely CRUMBLE in front of the international community with 'FACTS' they can't deny. This time it's them that has to allocate the most revenue to PL/JL/Khatumo so we see their 'Somalinimo' in equal measure like we did since 1930 when the First MJ arrived in Mogadishu and in 1991 when the last Darod left.

3. We must present to Hawiye and Dir. Darods have not waged any offensive war on your clans since 91. This a fact which will make their 'red eyes' turn 'red' when anything post 91 till today is squarely on their clan record.

4. We must present Darods added nothing but positivity to Hamar since 1930 till 1991, even the 'dameers' won't allowed to shit in public, trees planted, infrastructure, etc. When we left 91-2004 we saw what hawiye added. We saw what darods did in 2004-2009 and the govt u have and the benefits u have 'reaped'.

5. Darods are fed up with carrying the burden of somalinimO and taking the losses must be shown to them.

 

[Somali Saayid]

@DR OSMAN JL is Sade so why write PL/JL and Sade?

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@DR OSMAN JL is Sade so why write PL/JL and Sade?

Horgaal ditoore worship afweyne all because his father was afweyne handyman

 

[Ibraahim Galgol]

As Punjubis and Sade, it is in our interest and all Somali interest we agree on the following.

1. Federalism in PL model and spirit

2. No colonial/foreign characteristics in the system(north/south, 4.5) but 'somali characteristic' such as 'qof walbo tiisa ha soo dhisto' federalism is embedded in the 'somali psyche', it's not taught or exported to them. Even the most reer miyi guy will look at you and say 'war iga tag dhulkaga soo dhiso intadan ila hadlin anigu', if it was foreign-colonial idea, it wouldn't be so universal even to the 'illiterate'.

3. Shared capital or we must demand a capital with the following conditions >>>> it cannot have a political-tribal-regional-district character because Somalis are different tribes, different regions, different politics. It must remain 'ceremonial' and totally 'neutral' status or else it may lose it's legitimacy and another capital must be discussed that can fulfill that role.

4. We must demand to fix SL concern, under 4.5 we allocate Hawiye position to Dir arguing this supports good governance when the city provides a social check n balance on different tribe president/pm to the capital. We must demand since 4.5 is 'tribal' and dir/hawiye are 1 tribe under irir, they get 1 tribe power-sharing allocation.

Your first point already discloses your way of political thinking Senor Puntito. the PL model is being handled very poorly at the moment don't you think.

Your 4th point alienates any potential Hawiye allies to your cause as you are politically displacing them in a rebuilding phase, to which you said earlier "...the future state system which will seal your clan 'future' for centuries to come".

You and I know this "Irir Samaale" bs is fake, its a phase that some clans are going through to cope with the clannish politics, i.e. not being marginalized under a Darood president.

As a solution I thought of is, why don't we federalise all our 18 gobols, give them "States Rights", while also having the capital have power too (Federal Government), similar to the United States' federalism model? This would remove the clannish nature in our politics and restrict it to local and maybe state elections, have a parliament that is based on population count of every region/gobol, so that representation and resources are allocated fairly and correctly.

I as a Darood man, wants to see the zoo nation prosper properly, not with some clannish, nefarious narratives boowe.

 

[Ibraahim Galgol]

Once those issues are settled. We must begin discussions on the following areas.

1. Taxation/Resource/Foreign Aid formulas. These can be used as Economic war instruments against our regions to make it 'isolated' like South Sudan was by North Sudan @Nilotic. Or it can be used where 1 tribe 'irir' hawiye/dir is essentially >>>> 'double dipping' like they did with 4.5 power-sharing.

2. We must argue as Darod, since 1930s Darods built mogadishu, neglected our lands, proved our somalinimo and therefore for the next 100 years, it's time Hawiye/Dir do the same. Watch their 'camp' absolutely CRUMBLE in front of the international community with 'FACTS' they can't deny. This time it's them that has to allocate the most revenue to PL/JL/Khatumo so we see their 'Somalinimo' in equal measure like we did since 1930 when the First MJ arrived in Mogadishu and in 1991 when the last Darod left.

3. We must present to Hawiye and Dir. Darods have not waged any offensive war on your clans since 91. This a fact which will make their 'red eyes' turn 'red' when anything post 91 till today is squarely on their clan record.

4. We must present Darods added nothing but positivity to Hamar since 1930 till 1991, even the 'dameers' won't allowed to shit in public, trees planted, infrastructure, etc. When we left 91-2004 we saw what hawiye added. We saw what darods did in 2004-2009 and the govt u have and the benefits u have 'reaped'.

5. Darods are fed up with carrying the burden of somalinimO and taking the losses must be shown to them.

I am not gonna lie, the red eye stare part made me laugh

 

[DR OSMAN]

Horgaal ditoore worship afweyne all because his father was afweyne handyman

@Libaax-Joore u just angry and shocked muse suldan waa 'aragti' xuma as they supported opposition and ur aragti xumo left behind a toilet. Siyad supporters left behind a nation. Thats why u become like this when u hear SIYAD.

kacaan diid yahow, kacaanki barakaysna ayaad ka hor timid. A culture was emerging where ppl in power, helped next generation students, and the student generation when in power repaid the favor for their kids when they became students. U ended all that