online optics for SL port situation.

[hayran]

I feel like I have to write this thread after seeing the temperature about the latest fiasco online. While I’m starting to think this is all just fugazi and will die off but observing the wider reaction to this has truly been sobering

Basically we’re fucked PR wise, ain’t no one actually gonna side with Somalia on anything rhetorically, much less fight wars for us (some ppl are actually floating this lmfao). The pro-west people want SL recognition because they think it’s the good Somalians, the anti west people are lauding abiy and Ethiopia

These diplomatic statements are being written out of obligation, the guy writing it doesn’t actually believe a word of that likely thinks this deal is a net positive, and that Somalia is better of dead. The sooner you come to terms with that the better!

can we actually fight ourselves? No
will we? double no

All we have is our name and that’s total sewage. And what’s worse is that we don’t have any online etiquette. the hooyo mataalos are cracking jokes about joining al shabab rather than the Somali army, they are delegitimising our country and proving the enemy right.

compare that to Ethiopia, well oiled propaganda machine. The seat of the AU (king of the black people!!). Whatever they say Africans all around the world will follow. Armies of bots and well organised social media campaigns. “the big bad neocolonialists kept the holy Ethiopia landlocked but now they are free!!”


so what do we do? We shift the narrative accordingly, it’s not about Somalia and her territory. We should be distracting from Somalia, focusing on certain narratives such as

BOTH SIDES ARE BAD

• people have been convinced that SL is a progressive and flourishing democracy, break it. Somalis suck right? Guess the demographics of “somaliland”. It’s some crab shit but it can be really effective
• Best deliver this in memes, short and gets the point across. Somaliland is a corrupt nepotistic shithole like Somalia, they chew khat and their nationalists don’t actually live there. Don’t forget to depict them as ugly mirqaans.

ABIY IS SATAN

• He’s slaughtering millions of innocent Amhara and Tigray minority people, there’s a famine worse than 1984 looming in these regions. He supports the mass rapist janjaweed and kills black people to please his Emirati masters.
• Amhara twitter and their journos have voiced support to Somalia! The Amhara run Ethiopian-American PAC is one example. Somalis won’t see this because they still think habesha run Ethiopia, remember when CBB joined abiy for that #NoMore crap after he said he won’t “interfere in Somali affairs”?
• We should go under the wing of anti abiy Tigray and Amhara, tomorrow they could be the enemy but this is how HoA works my friends. Any enemy of Addis Ababa is a friend to me. Tigrayans have diplomatic clout Somalis dream of, amhara have the money and are loved by all blacks, what do we have?
  

I could only think of these two now, please add some suggestions if you can spread the message!

 

[johnsepei5]

I feel like I have to write this thread after seeing the temperature about the latest fiasco online. While I’m starting to think this is all just fugazi and will die off but observing the wider reaction to this has truly been sobering

Basically we’re fucked PR wise, ain’t no one actually gonna side with Somalia on anything rhetorically, much less fight wars for us (some ppl are actually floating this lmfao). The pro-west people want SL recognition because they think it’s the good Somalians, the anti west people are lauding abiy and Ethiopia

These diplomatic statements are being written out of obligation, the guy writing it doesn’t actually believe a word of that likely thinks this deal is a net positive, and that Somalia is better of dead. The sooner you come to terms with that the better!

can we actually fight ourselves? No
will we? double no

All we have is our name and that’s total sewage. And what’s worse is that we don’t have any online etiquette. the hooyo mataalos are cracking jokes about joining al shabab rather than the Somali army, they are delegitimising our country and proving the enemy right.

compare that to Ethiopia, well oiled propaganda machine. The seat of the AU (king of the black people!!). Whatever they say Africans all around the world will follow. Armies of bots and well organised social media campaigns. “the big bad neocolonialists kept the holy Ethiopia landlocked but now they are free!!”


so what do we do? We shift the narrative accordingly, it’s not about Somalia and her territory. We should be distracting from Somalia, focusing on certain narratives such as

BOTH SIDES ARE BAD

• people have been convinced that SL is a progressive and flourishing democracy, break it. Somalis suck right? Guess the demographics of “somaliland”. It’s some crab shit but it can be really effective
• Best deliver this in memes, short and gets the point across. Somaliland is a corrupt nepotistic shithole like Somalia, they chew khat and their nationalists don’t actually live there. Don’t forget to depict them as ugly mirqaans.

ABIY IS SATAN

• He’s slaughtering millions of innocent Amhara and Tigray minority people, there’s a famine worse than 1984 looming in these regions. He supports the mass rapist janjaweed and kills black people to please his Emirati masters.
• Amhara twitter and their journos have voiced support to Somalia! The Amhara run Ethiopian-American PAC is one example. Somalis won’t see this because they still think habesha run Ethiopia, remember when CBB joined abiy for that #NoMore crap after he said he won’t “interfere in Somali affairs”?
• We should go under the wing of anti abiy Tigray and Amhara, tomorrow they could be the enemy but this is how HoA works my friends. Any enemy of Addis Ababa is a friend to me. Tigrayans have diplomatic clout Somalis dream of, amhara have the money and are loved by all blacks, what do we have?

I could only think of these two now, please add some suggestions if you can spread the message!

Bro how is the Anti west people pro abiye?
your last points were okay but You are detached from reality
Btw Those white pro somaliland people on twitter are actually fake i did some digging

 

[Pastoralist]

This is what happens to weak leaders, they get exposed. The president stopped paying SNA their monthly mushaar they got for fighting AS and that dismantled them. I hope everyone has learned that you can’t prefer a president simply because he backs your degmo.

Turkey is a better ally. They offered to have their navy in our sea and safeguard us, and the president betrayed turkey by telling IC they indeed gave us drones which nearly got them sanctioned.

 

[hayran]

Bro how is the Anti west people pro abiye?

This has been the case since the Tigray war,
tankies actively dismiss tigray genocide and call it an imperialist CIA psyop. Ethiopia used to be communist so idk why it sounds so crazy to you that they still have ideological ties.

Those white pro somaliland people on twitter are actually fake i did some digging

I’m not talking about white people that actively support SL those are obviously paid shills they don’t matter, I mean the uninformed casual observer. And it’s not just cadaans it’s everyone

 

[Mayor]

I’m not talking about white people that actively support SL those are obviously paid shills they don’t matter, I mean the uninformed casual observer. And it’s not just cadaans it’s everyone

If the Kurds can’t get independence after all the battles they fought for the west, SL never will. The international community is unified on one thing, and that’s being anti-secessionist. Non of these think tanks, journalists, etc will change this fact

Also the IC is aware about what happened in SSC. They know that if SL gets independence a full on war will erupt up north and it would be even worse than what happened last year

 

[johnsepei5]

This has been the case since the Tigray war,
tankies actively dismiss tigray genocide and call it an imperialist CIA psyop. Ethiopia used to be communist so idk why it sounds so crazy to you that they still have ideological ties.



I’m not talking about white people that actively support SL those are obviously paid shills they don’t matter, I mean the uninformed casual observer. And it’s not just cadaans it’s everyone

Bro no one cares about East Africa its literally a backwater compared to the rest of the world,there is bigger things that are going on in the world
Diplomatically Somalia has the upperhand
The casual twitter observers doesn’t matter
Ethiopia violated a lot of international laws

 

[hayran]

Turkey is a better ally. They offered to have their navy in our sea and safeguard us, and the president betrayed turkey by telling IC they indeed gave us drones which nearly got them sanctioned.

Yet they haven’t released any statement so far. They arm and supply Ethiopia and have a deep business relationship with her.

the thing about being Somali is that you have no true allies to count on, we don’t even have ourselves.

also turkey isn’t EVER getting sanctioned over anything, they are the 2nd largest nato member and a ln important US ally (look past the rhetoric and remember the nukes stored there)

 

[johnsepei5]

Nothing is going to happen
This deal will never materialize

 

[hayran]

Bro no one cares about East Africa its literally a backwater compared to the rest of the world,there is bigger things that are going on in the world

All the more reason to look the other way when abiy invades Somalia illegally then

Diplomatically Somalia has the upperhand

no we don’t
Look at the amount of embassies we have, compare that to Ethiopia or any other country

half of the diplomatic missions to Somalia are in addis

Ethiopia violated a lot of international laws

Have you learned nothing from the past few years? Gaza, Ukraine, nagorno-karabakh? You should look up who’s hosting COP29 lol. UN has been a total joke since dubya bush let his nuts hang on them in 2003

In theory the US, EU and co could stop aid and sanction Ethiopia, but crippling the capital of Africa for the sake of Somalia??? Just isn’t happening sxb

 

[hayran]

Nothing is going to happen
This deal will never materialize

Pretty much my position. Recognition isn’t even part of the package so what’s the point?

 

[Pastoralist]

Yet they haven’t released any statement so far. They arm and supply Ethiopia and have a deep business relationship with her.

the thing about being Somali is that you have no true allies to count on, we don’t even have ourselves.

also turkey isn’t EVER getting sanctioned over anything, they are the 2nd largest nato member and a ln important US ally (look past the rhetoric and remember the nukes stored there)

Try and discredit them all you want. They are openly training soldiers for us every month for us to get stronger, they even have applications for any Somali looking to join. We have true allies in Eritrea and Turkey who have both proven themselves. Turkey gave us Drones bro, u can’t simply overlook that for your agenda.


no sanction but they did get scolded by the UN after HSM allowed investigations to take place once he took office.

 

[hayran]

Turkey gave us Drones bro, u can’t simply overlook that for your agenda.

Calm down nigga I don’t hate them. I appreciate the early investment they put in, hospital, medical care, visas and such and especially treating us like a proper country selling us drones despite the sanction

but the facts are facts, if Ethiopia invades they aren’t going to be giving us AAs that can destroy their drones. It’ll just look bad.

no sanction but they did get scolded by the UN after HSM allowed investigations to take place once he took office.

They get scolded by UN for much worse things on a weekly basis, they don’t care about that shit. You should see how they do Kurds in Syria. It’s all xoog to them