OPINION Official Sheria political ideology thread

[Interested]

For all those that want to discuss the possibility for Sharica/Islamist system in Somalia.

Here, you can also post Islamic Courts throwback and even AS activities (why not) in Somalia. Yes this is a 'A pro agreement with AS' thread.

According to recent BBC piece ....

Waxay inta badan siyaasiyiintu isku waafaqsanyihiin in Xarakada Al-Shabaab aan lagu jebin Karin wasiilada milliteriga oo keliya, sidaas darteed waa in fursad la siiyaa wadahadallada, si loo soo afjaro dagaalka ka socda Soomaaliya” ayuu leeyahay Cumar Maxmuud.

"Xalka keliya ee ii muuqda ayaa ah midkaas, waana mid u suuragelin kara dowladda cusub iney ugu dhawaato Xarakada Al-Shabaab” ayuu sii raaciyay hadalkiisa nin katirsan kooxda Xasradaha caalamiga ah, oo ah markaz hoostaga Qaramada Midoobay.

Cr: somali article posted S*m*limemo

 

[Abaq]

So it begins. Afghanistan 2.0.

Sorry sxb but we know how this film ends.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I doubt Somalia ever moves to a Islamic Shariah court and law.

We are too reliant on America and foreign investment therefore will become more liberal the longer this government is in power.

Shabaab can be kept in small tuulos allowing 90% of the population free from them. The only thing that for now keeps them alive is clan disagreements.

 

[Interested]

I doubt Somalia ever moves to a Islamic Shariah court and law.

We are too reliant on America and foreign investment therefore will become more liberal the longer this government is in power.

Shabaab can be kept in small tuulos allowing 90% of the population free from them. The only thing that for now keeps them alive is clan disagreements.

Foreigners and gaalos won't solve our civil war..they are there to exploit our situation ..the active qabiil politics allows them that.

AS won't go away..not when we have foreign troops after foreign troops in Somalia
Not to mention the corrupt leaders, governers and mps they back..
Just want these people we have for leaders to sit down for once and put an end to the war.

 

[Muslim?]

This is something I absolutely love to talk about. My own brother called me a mad man few years back for wanting the government to start talks with alshabaab.

I do acknowledge the main issue: alshabaab is just flat out violent, perceiving all as Kaafirs. But that has nothing to do with Shariica. It's Alshabaab contorting it, molding it such that it can justify it's brutal campaign.

This means that the political movement of alshabaab is wrong--but in no way whatsoever is the application of Shariica the problem. Don't forget. Shariica just means commandments on how to live your life, revealed by Allah and enforced by the state. Wallahi, my brothers, wallahi, I lived in Saudi Arabia for two years and all the enforcements of Shariica never bothered me because the government was literally an alarm clock type. What the government also does on top of that is keep the filth out of society.

So what's the solution I see?
Well, first, start talks already. But here's are some points we should push as a negotiation.

What we should surrender:
1: Full legal immunity and a waiver to all the illegality committed by alshabaab prior.

2: Alshabaab will be integrated into the government, given newly created Xilibaano seats as well as senator seats. These are new and they don't represent a region/place. They represent the religion, and will entirely be taken up by alshabaab.

3: Shariica will be active in the entire nation. Remember. Don't buy western nonsense. The violence you associate with alshabaab, blowing up innocents, is so far from Islam and Shariica. Even the prophet explained in war we don't kill the weak, young, old, sick, and retreating. I am paraphrasing but you get it. Under Shariica, suicide killings would be illegal. Murder, unjustified by self-defense or as punishment for taking another life in cold blood, is literally wrong. So to the western raised somalis, don't panic. Your religion doesn't condone the nonsense alshabaab does now. Application of Shariica in the nation would also eliminate any excuse alshabaab might have, forcing them to accept or be seen as the faceless killers they are. Not to mention, if we get them in the government, alshabaab becomes predictable. We can expect their moves. Now we just have to hope we're not at the wrong place in the wrong time.

3: Also, something else we can do is maybe make a multi party system. Alshabaab will be made an official party. One man, one vote. Another political integration ideas I thought of could be changing rules for prime minister. Now it's if a Hawiye president, PM is darood. Vice versa. Well, change it that if president us a secular, pm is Alshabaab, representing religion. Vice versa.

4: The supreme court. We could make it half-half. Basically, alshabaab higher ups hold half the positions in the supreme court. Or it could be x-seats in the supreme court. Offer them low seats at first and have them argue for less. For example, offer 1, and they try to push for 2. We can still have that majority. Though I want some confidence to be inspired, so I recommend half the supreme court seats.

5: Alshabaab will still have control over it's military, now the religious branch of NSA. Meaning, we don't give them already existing military seats. We just make their military a new arm headed by Alshabaab. Though holding their arms, they might be quick to reignite the war if things don't go their way in the democratic processes. This means, in the real diplomatic discussions, we should offer a worse deal early on, letting them argue for something less than total control.

6: We could make new state of the lands they control. This will not sit well with the clans and for me to make this point, from PL, isn't a good pair. Though I know for sure they'll request some lands to formally hold and tax, to keep their independence. Remember, no one gives up independence. It has to be forced out of them. Alshabaab will likely argue to hold onto its current holdings, even make a reach for all of the south.

7: To fix the 6th point, I think we demand they leave all territories, give control to the NSA, and alshabaab will receive a tax-share. Like 30% of government taxes. Or even all the taxes collected from it's current holdings. This could be attractive to alshabaab because they get the taxes without working for it. We as the government get the control, giving us complete legitimacy internationally. More business. Aid. Foreign investment. Etc...

What we should never surrender to them:
1: Alshabaab will no longer use violent action if not confirming with a court. Meaning they don't get to just judge someone worthy of punishment. They've to take them to the government courts, where, if found guilty of the Shariica, they are punished accordingly. Though some punishments, like cutting the hand for thieving, could be substituted for prison.

2: We will not get rid of the democratic processes. Never in a million years. Shariica calls for an amiir or a Khaliif. Both titles hand the holder the powers of a king and a pope. That is too much power. We can't go back to such absolute dictatorial nonsense. This means somalia today doesn't regress and only progresses into one man, one vote.

3: Alshabaab will not be granted control over existing military, all branches.

4: Alshabaab will not hold up roads anymore.

5: Alshabaab must always sit with the government for it's future decision in opposition--though only in the case of a war. Meaning they give talking a chance. This is because, say, if a president is elected, being part of the government, it's critical alshabaab announce their agreement with the result. Since it's corrupt, alshabaab could use that as an excuse in the future to break up with the government if they don't like where things are going; tossing right back here. Thus, this clause will ensure that war is the last option, when all channels of communication break down.

6: Alshabaab cannot be used by private individuals for private gain. Neither can they engage in private businesses (or assassinations). This point is to confine alshabaab to the public service rather than meddling their fingers into the private markets, as they now do. Even happily working for private individuals to get rid of a competitor.

7: Alshabaab must contribute productively with the none-religious branches of the government, going as far to recognize them. This is because if they don't like a ministry, they might accuse it of Kufr and use that as an excuse to boycott, even creating a new branch/ministry. This point exists to force them to work with the existing institutions, and within them.

8: Alshabaab cannot, once part of the national government, participate in sabotaging the federal project (the states). The state right have to be respected, and the nation pushed in that direction. They must contribute to this effort, even though it will actively make them weaker by giving the states near autonomous power.

I think those are my suggestions. What do you guys think?

 

[Interested]

This is something I absolutely love to talk about. My own brother called me a mad man few years back for wanting the government to start talks with alshabaab.

I do acknowledge the main issue: alshabaab is just flat out violent, perceiving all as Kaafirs. But that has nothing to do with Shariica. It's Alshabaab contorting it, molding it such that it can justify it's brutal campaign.

This means that the political movement of alshabaab is wrong--but in no way whatsoever is the application of Shariica the problem. Don't forget. Shariica just means commandments on how to live your life, revealed by Allah and enforced by the state. Wallahi, my brothers, wallahi, I lived in Saudi Arabia for two years and all the enforcements of Shariica never bothered me because the government was literally an alarm clock type. What the government also does on top of that is keep the filth out of society.

So what's the solution I see?
Well, first, start talks already. But here's are some points we should push as a negotiation.

What we should surrender:
1: Full legal immunity and a waiver to all the illegality committed by alshabaab prior.

2: Alshabaab will be integrated into the government, given newly created Xilibaano seats as well as senator seats. These are new and they don't represent a region/place. They represent the religion, and will entirely be taken up by alshabaab.

3: Shariica will be active in the entire nation. Remember. Don't buy western nonsense. The violence you associate with alshabaab, blowing up innocents, is so far from Islam and Shariica. Even the prophet explained in war we don't kill the weak, young, old, sick, and retreating. I am paraphrasing but you get it. Under Shariica, suicide killings would be illegal. Murder, unjustified by self-defense or as punishment for taking another life in cold blood, is literally wrong. So to the western raised somalis, don't panic. Your religion doesn't condone the nonsense alshabaab does now. Application of Shariica in the nation would also eliminate any excuse alshabaab might have, forcing them to accept or be seen as the faceless killers they are. Not to mention, if we get them in the government, alshabaab becomes predictable. We can expect their moves. Now we just have to hope we're not at the wrong place in the wrong time.

3: Also, something else we can do is maybe make a multi party system. Alshabaab will be made an official party. One man, one vote. Another political integration ideas I thought of could be changing rules for prime minister. Now it's if a Hawiye president, PM is darood. Vice versa. Well, change it that if president us a secular, pm is Alshabaab, representing religion. Vice versa.

4: The supreme court. We could make it half-half. Basically, alshabaab higher ups hold half the positions in the supreme court. Or it could be x-seats in the supreme court. Offer them low seats at first and have them argue for less. For example, offer 1, and they try to push for 2. We can still have that majority. Though I want some confidence to be inspired, so I recommend half the supreme court seats.

5: Alshabaab will still have control over it's military, now the religious branch of NSA. Meaning, we don't give them already existing military seats. We just make their military a new arm headed by Alshabaab. Though holding their arms, they might be quick to reignite the war if things don't go their way in the democratic processes. This means, in the real diplomatic discussions, we should offer a worse deal early on, letting them argue for something less than total control.

6: We could make new state of the lands they control. This will not sit well with the clans and for me to make this point, from PL, isn't a good pair. Though I know for sure they'll request some lands to formally hold and tax, to keep their independence. Remember, no one gives up independence. It has to be forced out of them. Alshabaab will likely argue to hold onto its current holdings, even make a reach for all of the south.

7: To fix the 6th point, I think we demand they leave all territories, give control to the NSA, and alshabaab will receive a tax-share. Like 30% of government taxes. Or even all the taxes collected from it's current holdings. This could be attractive to alshabaab because they get the taxes without working for it. We as the government get the control, giving us complete legitimacy internationally. More business. Aid. Foreign investment. Etc...

What we should never surrender to them:
1: Alshabaab will no longer use violent action if not confirming with a court. Meaning they don't get to just judge someone worthy of punishment. They've to take them to the government courts, where, if found guilty of the Shariica, they are punished accordingly. Though some punishments, like cutting the hand for thieving, could be substituted for prison.

2: We will not get rid of the democratic processes. Never in a million years. Shariica calls for an amiir or a Khaliif. Both titles hand the holder the powers of a king and a pope. That is too much power. We can't go back to such absolute dictatorial nonsense. This means somalia today doesn't regress and only progresses into one man, one vote.

3: Alshabaab will not be granted control over existing military, all branches.

4: Alshabaab will not hold up roads anymore.

5: Alshabaab must always sit with the government for it's future decision in opposition--though only in the case of a war. Meaning they give talking a chance. This is because, say, if a president is elected, being part of the government, it's critical alshabaab announce their agreement with the result. Since it's corrupt, alshabaab could use that as an excuse in the future to break up with the government if they don't like where things are going; tossing right back here. Thus, this clause will ensure that war is the last option, when all channels of communication break down.

6: Alshabaab cannot be used by private individuals for private gain. Neither can they engage in private businesses (or assassinations). This point is to confine alshabaab to the public service rather than meddling their fingers into the private markets, as they now do. Even happily working for private individuals to get rid of a competitor.

7: Alshabaab must contribute productively with the none-religious branches of the government, going as far to recognize them. This is because if they don't like a ministry, they might accuse it of Kufr and use that as an excuse to boycott, even creating a new branch/ministry. This point exists to force them to work with the existing institutions, and within them.

8: Alshabaab cannot, once part of the national government, participate in sabotaging the federal project (the states). The state right have to be respected, and the nation pushed in that direction. They must contribute to this effort, even though it will actively make them weaker by giving the states near autonomous power.

I think those are my suggestions. What do you guys think?

This is a viable solution. Although it could potentially create the ugly secularism vs Islamism situation in some muslim countries..I would prefer warlords and openly qabiilists politicians (aka 90% of mps and state president sthat ever held position in 4.5) being totally banned from politics.

But beggars cant be choosers. Atm I would take all sorts of agreements between the two sides.

 

[Muslim?]

This is a viable solution. Although it could potentially create the ugly secularism vs Islamism situation in some muslim countries..I would prefer warlords and openly qabiilists politicians (aka 90% of mps and state president sthat ever held position in 4.5) being totally banned from politics.

But beggars cant be choosers. Atm I would take all sorts of agreements between the two sides.

Definitely. I did exclude talks about the west in the post, because we don't have much power to negotiate there. Either do as uncle Sam says or you're a terrorist. I do agree with you. Qabliistayaal and wealthy, rogue militia leaders, warlords, to have no say in somalia's future. Just banned straight away. Though by qabyaliiste I mean those to advocate for clan division. It's okay to proud, to represent, just not to antagonize based on clan lines. That sht weak.

 

[Removed]

This is something I absolutely love to talk about. My own brother called me a mad man few years back for wanting the government to start talks with alshabaab.

I do acknowledge the main issue: alshabaab is just flat out violent, perceiving all as Kaafirs. But that has nothing to do with Shariica. It's Alshabaab contorting it, molding it such that it can justify it's brutal campaign.

This means that the political movement of alshabaab is wrong--but in no way whatsoever is the application of Shariica the problem. Don't forget. Shariica just means commandments on how to live your life, revealed by Allah and enforced by the state. Wallahi, my brothers, wallahi, I lived in Saudi Arabia for two years and all the enforcements of Shariica never bothered me because the government was literally an alarm clock type. What the government also does on top of that is keep the filth out of society.

So what's the solution I see?
Well, first, start talks already. But here's are some points we should push as a negotiation.

What we should surrender:
1: Full legal immunity and a waiver to all the illegality committed by alshabaab prior.

2: Alshabaab will be integrated into the government, given newly created Xilibaano seats as well as senator seats. These are new and they don't represent a region/place. They represent the religion, and will entirely be taken up by alshabaab.

3: Shariica will be active in the entire nation. Remember. Don't buy western nonsense. The violence you associate with alshabaab, blowing up innocents, is so far from Islam and Shariica. Even the prophet explained in war we don't kill the weak, young, old, sick, and retreating. I am paraphrasing but you get it. Under Shariica, suicide killings would be illegal. Murder, unjustified by self-defense or as punishment for taking another life in cold blood, is literally wrong. So to the western raised somalis, don't panic. Your religion doesn't condone the nonsense alshabaab does now. Application of Shariica in the nation would also eliminate any excuse alshabaab might have, forcing them to accept or be seen as the faceless killers they are. Not to mention, if we get them in the government, alshabaab becomes predictable. We can expect their moves. Now we just have to hope we're not at the wrong place in the wrong time.

3: Also, something else we can do is maybe make a multi party system. Alshabaab will be made an official party. One man, one vote. Another political integration ideas I thought of could be changing rules for prime minister. Now it's if a Hawiye president, PM is darood. Vice versa. Well, change it that if president us a secular, pm is Alshabaab, representing religion. Vice versa.

4: The supreme court. We could make it half-half. Basically, alshabaab higher ups hold half the positions in the supreme court. Or it could be x-seats in the supreme court. Offer them low seats at first and have them argue for less. For example, offer 1, and they try to push for 2. We can still have that majority. Though I want some confidence to be inspired, so I recommend half the supreme court seats.

5: Alshabaab will still have control over it's military, now the religious branch of NSA. Meaning, we don't give them already existing military seats. We just make their military a new arm headed by Alshabaab. Though holding their arms, they might be quick to reignite the war if things don't go their way in the democratic processes. This means, in the real diplomatic discussions, we should offer a worse deal early on, letting them argue for something less than total control.

6: We could make new state of the lands they control. This will not sit well with the clans and for me to make this point, from PL, isn't a good pair. Though I know for sure they'll request some lands to formally hold and tax, to keep their independence. Remember, no one gives up independence. It has to be forced out of them. Alshabaab will likely argue to hold onto its current holdings, even make a reach for all of the south.

7: To fix the 6th point, I think we demand they leave all territories, give control to the NSA, and alshabaab will receive a tax-share. Like 30% of government taxes. Or even all the taxes collected from it's current holdings. This could be attractive to alshabaab because they get the taxes without working for it. We as the government get the control, giving us complete legitimacy internationally. More business. Aid. Foreign investment. Etc...

What we should never surrender to them:
1: Alshabaab will no longer use violent action if not confirming with a court. Meaning they don't get to just judge someone worthy of punishment. They've to take them to the government courts, where, if found guilty of the Shariica, they are punished accordingly. Though some punishments, like cutting the hand for thieving, could be substituted for prison.

2: We will not get rid of the democratic processes. Never in a million years. Shariica calls for an amiir or a Khaliif. Both titles hand the holder the powers of a king and a pope. That is too much power. We can't go back to such absolute dictatorial nonsense. This means somalia today doesn't regress and only progresses into one man, one vote.

3: Alshabaab will not be granted control over existing military, all branches.

4: Alshabaab will not hold up roads anymore.

5: Alshabaab must always sit with the government for it's future decision in opposition--though only in the case of a war. Meaning they give talking a chance. This is because, say, if a president is elected, being part of the government, it's critical alshabaab announce their agreement with the result. Since it's corrupt, alshabaab could use that as an excuse in the future to break up with the government if they don't like where things are going; tossing right back here. Thus, this clause will ensure that war is the last option, when all channels of communication break down.

6: Alshabaab cannot be used by private individuals for private gain. Neither can they engage in private businesses (or assassinations). This point is to confine alshabaab to the public service rather than meddling their fingers into the private markets, as they now do. Even happily working for private individuals to get rid of a competitor.

7: Alshabaab must contribute productively with the none-religious branches of the government, going as far to recognize them. This is because if they don't like a ministry, they might accuse it of Kufr and use that as an excuse to boycott, even creating a new branch/ministry. This point exists to force them to work with the existing institutions, and within them.

8: Alshabaab cannot, once part of the national government, participate in sabotaging the federal project (the states). The state right have to be respected, and the nation pushed in that direction. They must contribute to this effort, even though it will actively make them weaker by giving the states near autonomous power.

I think those are my suggestions. What do you guys think?

You expect them to hold onto regions to tax but not have any control over the military?

Furthermore your asking them to completely go against everything they profess and join “Kufr”. This is coupled with the reality that we are in an extremely weak negotiating position for many reasons and are looking more and more like Afghanistan.

 

[Muslim?]

You expect them to hold onto regions to tax but not have any control over the military?

Furthermore your asking them to completely go against everything they profess and join “Kufr”. This is coupled with the reality that we are in an extremely weak negotiating position for many reasons and are looking more and more like Afghanistan.

For the first point, I proposed they maintain control over their military and in no way should they be allowed to control the somali national army.

I do agree with you on the second point. You're right. Their whole schtick for the last eighteen years would crumple if they talk to the government for a second. Still worth a try though. About the extremely weak position, spot on. In diplomatic terms, offering talks when you're in a better position would certainly guarantee you come out the winner.

But that means today is not the best day to offer those talks. I did write that, which I retract hahahaha. Perhaps we should wait for some more years, this term for instance, and then think whether to offer those talks or not.

I still really suspect that alshabaab is mostly a way for the US to justify its troops in somalia, granting them more control. Remember the Islamic Courts Union was far stronger than Alshabaab has ever been. Heck, alshabaab was just a member. A large one, but still not the whole thing. And that union was shattered by Ethiopia+US coalition.

 

[bidenkulaha]

For the first point, I proposed they maintain control over their military and in no way should they be allowed to control the somali nation army.

I do agree with you on the second point. You're right. Their whole schtick for the last eighteen years would crumple if they talk to the government for a second. Still worth a try though. About the extremely weak position, spot on. In diplomatic terms, offering talks when you're in a better position would certainly guarantee you come out the winner.

But that means today is not the best day to offer those talks. I did write that, which I retract hahahaha. Perhaps we should wait for some more years, this terms for instance, and then think whether to offer those talks or not.

I still really suspect that alshabaab is mostly a way for the US to justify it's troops in somalia, granting more control. Remember the Courts Union was far stronger than Alshabaab has ever been. Heck, alshabaab was just a member. A large one, but still not the whole thing. And that union was shattered by Ethiopia+US coalition.

Most of the ICU was absorbed into the government.

There’s really not much left to negotiate with. AS are too decentralised to have talks with, each Shabaab region has different leadership

 

[Muslim?]

Most of the ICU was absorbed into the government.

There’s really not much left to negotiate with. AS are too decentralised to have talks with, each Shabaab region has different leadership

Though if talks are offered, I can imagine a more centralized response. Even if fractured into a hundred groups.
Also, about the ICU being absorbed, that's really the first time I am hearing that. Makes sense and I'll take your word for it. In that case, we might be left with just autistic fanatics. Evidence speaks so

 

[bidenkulaha]

Though if talks are offered, I can imagine a more centralized response. Even if fractured into a hundred groups.
Also, about the ICU being absorbed, that's really the first time I am hearing that. Makes sense and I'll take your word for it. In that case, we might be left with just autistic fanatics. Evidence speaks so

Yep Ictisaam, Damuljadiid, many of the ICU leadership along with Shariif were given political immunity and joined the government after the Ethiopians ran away.

I mean who’s left in Shabaab now? The ones you could negotiate with are all retired/left. Roobow and Hassan Aweys are probably the last of the ‘negotiables’.

 

[World]

Al Shabab is not a Somali organisation, but is part of an international terrorist organisation. They give their allegiance to the Arab leader of Al Qaeda. They do not want to establish a state inside Somalia but wish to expand everywhere until America and Europe. They have no interest for diplomacy. They’re nothing like the Taliban who said they don’t care about the Ughyers in China that are facing genocide. Who have said they have no interest in territory outside of Afghanistan. Etc etc.

 

[Muslim?]

Al Shabab is not a Somali organisation, but is part of an international terrorist organisation. They give their allegiance to the Arab leader of Al Qaeda. They do not want to establish a state inside Somalia but wish to expand everywhere until America and Europe. They have no interest for diplomacy. They’re nothing like the Taliban who said they don’t care about the Ughyers in China that are facing genocide. Who have said they have no interest in territory outside of Afghanistan. Etc etc.

Nice addition. The desire for an Islamic super power to shut up the US and protect us from western neocolonialism is a strong one, even with me. Sad news is, another Islamic super power that can bash the west around, last being the Ottomans up to 1650, will likely take at least three to five hundred years. It's just not something I see any time soon. That, in my eyes, makes the global effort to establish a Khalifa today to be useless. Best we do like UAE or Saudi Arabia, especially KSA. Islamic, prosperous and with strong ties to the west; ties that guarantee more economic development.

 

[World]

You expect them to hold onto regions to tax but not have any control over the military?

Furthermore your asking them to completely go against everything they profess and join “Kufr”. This is coupled with the reality that we are in an extremely weak negotiating position for many reasons and are looking more and more like Afghanistan.

What was the entire point of the American backed Ethiopian invasion against the mostly moderate Islamic Courts Union if in the end, Al Shabab which was the most extreme part of the group, was the one that benefited the most from it and will take control in the end?

Uncle Sam always ruining every country they touch ffs.

 

[bidenkulaha]

What was the entire point of the American backed Ethiopian invasion against the mostly moderate Islamic Courts Union if in the end, Al Shabab which was the most extreme part of the group, was the one that benefited the most from it and will take control in the end?

Uncle Sam always ruining every country they touch ffs.

Shabaab was always going to take over ICU unfortunately given it was the military wing.

 

[World]

Shabaab was always going to take over ICU unfortunately given it was the military wing.

It would have been a fight between Al Shabab vs ICU. They would have lost. Also, they didn’t plan on taking over the ICU but instead wanted to establish another organisation because they viewed ICU as not extreme enough.

@Muslim? if Al Shabab were not able to get along with the ICU who established Shariah, it’s foolish to think they will negotiate with the FGS.

 

[Muslim?]

It would have been a fight between Al Shabab vs ICU. They would have lost. Also, they didn’t plan on taking over the ICU but instead wanted to establish another organisation because they viewed ICU as not extreme enough.

@Muslim? if Al Shabab were not able to get along with the ICU who established Shariah, it’s foolish to think they will negotiate with the FGS.

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This is a very interesting text. I'll try to get a handle on it and read more. Can you share the name of the read? Honestly, my hopes are just that. Hopes. Reality says otherwise.

 

[World]

This is a very interesting text. I'll try to get a handle on it and read more. Can you share the name of the read? Honestly, my hopes are just that. Hopes. Reality says otherwise.

Inside Al-Shabaab: The Secret History of Al-Qaeda’s Most Powerful Ally​

 

[Dhere]

AS does not want stability so an agreement cannot be reached. They love war and destruction, as they are kharawij who have expansionist goals like their brethren ISIS and AQ. If they rule Somalia, they will look to Kenya and Ethiopia. Anytime a Somali brings up this hypothetical of making peace with AS I have to really question their sanity. From what we have seen from AS since the beginning, what makes you believe reaching peace is remotely possible? You also spit on the graves of the thousands of innocents they slaughtered.