New result in Ethiopia changes the origins of Somalis how have haplogroup T
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@The alchemist what do you think
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Yes, it is unreasonable
, but I think when we see more results from the Afar, Eritrea, and Beja, we will know that the origins of the Dir go back to the shepherds who came from there.
Garaad Awal
Former African
The TMRCA with the Ethiopian is interesting (3600 ybp) around the same time period as when Somali dominated E-Y17859 formed in the Red Sea.
Garaad Awal
Former African
It’s a Somali HY who hasn’t deep tested I think. He is listed on the Somali FTDNA project
Are you sure
It appears that he is in another branch with Ethiopian flag.
Fascinating. Then I guess this is even more proof that these guys who have this haplogroup in the arabian penisula are just descended from somalis.
Honestly I wonder if there's ever been a large pouplation replacement from outside groups. If even the habesha who received a major wave of migration in 1000 b.c to the point it made them semitic speaking only had 10-15% added ancestry.
Garaad Awal
Former African
It’s not he just hasn’t deep tested (it’s listed as Family Finder) and I guess he changed his country of origin on FTDNA to reflect he is from Hawd.
All findings point towards Red Sea crossing from Hejaz, it was single man, but a family unit/tribe, etc..
Garaad Awal
Former African
To be fair it shows the same thing for Somali E-V32. Alxamdulilah for Somali E-V32 many of the Eastern Desert Egyptian Bedouin guys and Palestinians have been deep testing (perhaps with Khaleeji funding) so we are seeing a better picture of our haplogroup. Your lineage though besides those two Saudis (still in the Iron Age) has no other samples untill you reach your Neolithic lineage.Hopefully some more testing of others whether Arabs or Red Sea Africans will reveal more.
Yh thats what makes me so skeptical. It seems strange that a small group of maybe a few hundred individuals from a foreign land could somehow become the dominant haplogroup for like 5% of somalis and also be thr group thats seen as the oldest qabil.
The big unexplainable thing about all these hypothetical migrations into somalia. Is that none of them actually stand up to scrutiny.
The hypothetical migrants either entered somalia by land or by sea. The problem with the land route is that you would have to pass through a desert and the probelm with the sea route is that we're talking about a time period when people dont seem to have been able to navigate in large numbers throughout a sea route.
But as I said, one of the Saudis has dark skin and 28% Ethiopian origins.
The other has Al-Zayla'i as his last name.
When we find more results in Eritrea, Afar and Ethiopia, things will change.
What about the third one ?
A small group who may very well have brought huge cultural change to the region such as camel pastoralism, asiatic admixture in our bovines and caprines and maybe even iron metallurgy. Leaving behind just a Y-DNA—if indeed those innovations were all brought by one group which I admit is just a guess based on timing—is frankly lightweight in terms of influence. They otherwise left nothing behind other than maybe OSA loanwords:
2013 Strata in Semitic loanwords in Northern Somali
2013 Strata in Semitic loanwords in Northern Somali
www.academia.edu
And the thing is, Somalis are a patrilineal tribal society like Peninsular Arabs, Pashtuns and the early Indo-Europeans. It's not hard for one lineage among several to just become overrepresented due to a founder-effect cos of one prominent chieftain or tol having a bit of political dominance for a time or whatever other reasoning one can cook up.
Arabians' actual ancestors definitely had a shit-ton of E-M35, T, J2 and many other lineages but that pastoralist patrilineal system did its work and over-repped J1 in various areas. I wouldn't take T's dominance in a good chunk of the northwest as a sign that there were actually A LOT of Arabians who spread it once upon a time.
Of course . Although I'm honestly more convinced of my theory that the presence of t predates all these things and were just witnessing internal group selection. Although I won't deny that part of my motivation orginally was proably do in no small part to my own somali chauvinism . I've only grown more certain that neither the farmers in the Highlands of Yemen or the oasis dwelling nomads . Where the ones who domesticated the camel.A small group who may very well have brought huge cultural change to the region such as camel pastoralism, asiatic admixture in our bovines and caprines and maybe even iron metallurgy. Leaving behind just a Y-DNA—if indeed those innovations were all brought by one group which I admit is just a guess based on timing—is frankly lightweight in terms of influence. They otherwise left nothing behind other than maybe OSA loanwords:
2013 Strata in Semitic loanwords in Northern Somali
2013 Strata in Semitic loanwords in Northern Somaliwww.academia.edu
And the thing is, Somalis are a patrilineal tribal society like Peninsular Arabs, Pashtuns and the early Indo-Europeans. It's not hard for one lineage among several to just become overrepresented due to a founder-effect cos of one prominent chieftain or tol having a bit of political dominance for a time or whatever other reasoning one can cook up.
Arabians' actual ancestors definitely had a shit-ton of E-M35, T, J2 and many other lineages but that pastoralist patrilineal system did its work and over-repped J1 in various areas. I wouldn't take T's dominance in a good chunk of the northwest as a sign that there were actually A LOT of Arabians who spread it once upon a time.
Its 10 to 15 %
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