Mass murders and war crimes comitted on refugees and none isaak somalis by the SNM

[Reer-Bari]

This document was writted by a non bias american working for the US justice department. Lets see if people have any humanity left. Lets see somalilanders condemn the actions of their so called heros and freedom fighters. this document shows that they used human shields during the war in the north. and some of the mass graves they are digging up are actually the graves of the victims of the SNM

 

[CangeeroBear]

Victim Olympics!

 

[Tenacious]

Is this the entirety of the document or there is more? oh and they will never condemn it in a million years, they knew this, their people knew this and they still continued to celebrate the terrorist snm.

 

[Reer-Bari]

this is the entire document. before anyone says why i didnt highlight the crimes committed by the somali armed forces. The reason is simple i and most somalis acknowledge they commited horrible crimes. somalilanders on the other hand arn't willing to condemn them as we have the siad barre regime.

 

[Tenacious]

Thanks

 

[Bohol]

The report also mentions many Ogaden refugees in Hargeisa area were fighting alongside Siad Bare.

 

[Tenacious]

The report also mentions many Ogaden refugees in Hargeisa area were fighting alongside Siad Bare.

That doesnt still justify Islamically or humanly the fact that the terrorist cowards went after the civilians refugees who did not take part in it. The cowards could have killed the ones who were fighting for Barre and kicked out the refugees.

 

[Bohol]

That doesnt still justify Islamically or humanly the fact that the terrorist cowards went after the civilians refugees who did not take part in it. The cowards could have killed the ones who were fighting for Barre and kicked out the refugees.

I don't support this narrative that Isaaq were the only victims in the civil war anyway. We have killed a lot innocent people as well. However the difference is state resources and the government were used against the Isaaq and Hawiye while they only used their clan militias. That is what caused the mistrust that exists in Somalia currently.

 

[Mohi]

This document was writted by a non bias american working for the US justice department. Lets see if people have any humanity left. Lets see somalilanders condemn the actions of their so called heros and freedom fighters. this document shows that they used human shields during the war in the north. and some of the mass graves they are digging up are actually the graves of the victims of the SNM

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You cannot compare 300 dead to more than 50000 people killed by the regime forces

 

[Tenacious]

I don't support this narrative that Isaaq were the only victims in the civil war anyway. We have killed a lot innocent people as well. However the difference is state resources and the government were used against the Isaaq and Hawiye while they only used their clan militia. That is what caused the mistrust that exists in Somalia currently.

Those refugees had NOTHING to do with what barre did. As for issaq it was their terrorists who used them as human shields to begin with. Both issaq and the snm terrorists murdered innocent children, women and men based on qayaalad and not even what barre did or didnt do to them.

 

[Tenacious]

You cannot compare 300 dead to more than 50000 people killed by the regime forces

those 50,000 or was it 5000, your deads number changes every year, were technically killed by their terrorist militia when they used them as human shields.

 

[Factz]

That doesnt still justify Islamically or humanly the fact that the terrorist cowards went after the civilians refugees who did not take part in it. The cowards could have killed the ones who were fighting for Barre and kicked out the refugees.

I disagree with you. Ogadens in Woqooyi Galbeed were settling in our lands, taking our leadership in our own regions and exploiting our economy/resources so we kicked them out since Ogadens in Ethiopia that were armed by Siad Barre were killing Isaaq nomads in Hawd to settle the old scores. Isaaq suffered a lot during Kacaan era after 1977 by the Ogadens.

"Displacement of Isaaq and arming of refugeesAll of Somalia felt the impact of the Ogaden War defeat, however the northern region (where Isaaqs live) experienced the majority of the physical and human destruction due to its geographical proximity to the fighting.[56] Somalia's defeat in the Ethio-Somali War caused an influx of Ethiopian refugees (mostly ethnic Somalis and some Oromo)[57] across the border to Somalia. By 1979, official figures reported 1.3 million refugees in Somalia, more than half of them were settled in Isaaq lands in the north.[58] This has caused great deal of burden on both the local Isaaqs and state apparatus, especially coming off a costly war with Ethiopia, Somali studies scholar I. M. Lewis noted that "the stark fact remained that the economy of the country simply did not possess the resources to absorb so many uprooted people."[59]The presence of such a large number of refugees, especially when Somalia's total population at the time was 4.1 million (UN estimates[60]) meant that virtually one out of every four people in Somalia was a refugee.[61] The Barre regime exploited the presence of such a large number of refugees as means of seeking foreign aid,[62] as well as a vehicle to displacing those deemed hostile to the state, notably the Isaaqs, Human Rights Watch noted that:"Northerners [Isaaqs] were dismissed from and not allowed to work in government offices dealing with refugee affairs, so that they would not discover the truth about the government's policies. Instead refugees, registered with UNHCR were given jobs in the offices dealing with refugee matters."[63]As the state became increasingly reliant on international aid, aid resources allocated for the refugees caused further resentment from the local Isaaq residents, especially as they felt no effort was made on the government's part to compensate them for bearing the burden of the war.[64] Furthermore, Barre heavily favoured the Ogaden refugees, who belonged to the same clan (Darod) as him. Due to these ties, the Ogaden refugees enjoyed preferential access to "social services, business licenses and even government posts." [65] As expressed animosity and discontent in the north grew, Barre armed the Ogaden refugees, and in doing so created an irregular army operating inside Isaaq territories, the regime's use of armed refugees against local Isaaq populations in the north is also referenced in an Africa Watch report:"[M]any Ogadeni refugees were recruited into the WSLF. The WSLF was ostensibly being trained to fight Ethiopia to regain the Ogaden [Western Somalia], but, in fact, terrorized the Isaak [Isaaq] civilian population living in the border region, which came to fear them more than the Ethiopian army. Killings, rape and looting became common."[63]Barre was essentially ensuring the loyalty of the Ogaden refugees through continued preferential treatment and protection at the expense of the local Isaaq who were not only bypassed for economic, social and political advancement but also forcefully suppressed by both the Somali Armed Forces and the Ogaden refugee militias.[65]The settlement of Ogaden refugees in Isaaq territory, and the arming of these groups (which effectively created a foreign army in the north[66]), further antagonised local Isaaq population. The armed Ogaden refugees, together with members of the Marehan and Dhulbahanta soldiers (whom were provoked and encouraged by the Barre regime) started a campaign of terror against the local Isaaqs[67] as they raped women, murdered unarmed civilians, and prevented families from conducting proper burials. Barre ignored Isaaq complaints throughout the 1980s,[68] this along with Barre's repression of criticism or discussions of the widespread atrocities in the north[69] had the effect of turning the long-standing Isaaq disaffection into open opposition.Creation of Ogaden militiaThe government started a program of creating paramilitary groups among the Ogaden refugees as well as conscripting them into the national army, it also encouraged the creation of armed militia groups among members of the Darod (the clan of Siad Barre).[70] The Somali Army managed the training of both groups, and costs incurred including any expenditure for their arms and equipment, radio communications and fuel came from the army's budget.One of the militias formed by the Ogaden refugees was the WSLF, officially created to fight Ethiopia and "reclaim ethnic Somali territory" in Ethiopia[71] but it was used primarily against local Isaaq civilians and nomads.[72] A Human Rights Watch's Africa Watch report states "The WSLF was ostensibly being trained to fight Ethiopia to regain the Ogaden, but, in fact, terrorized the Isaak civilian population living in the border region, which came to fear them more than the Ethiopian army. Killing, rape and looting became common." [70]As the WSLF, supported by the Barre regime, continued to attack and commit atrocities against the Isaaq, a delegation was sent meet President Barre in 1979 to request making a stop to WSLF abuses. In spite of promises made to the Isaaq elders the violence against civilians and nomads by WSLF continued.[70]The continued abuse of WSLF and the government's indifference to the suffering of Isaaq civilians and nomads prompted many Isaaq army officers to desert the army with a view to creating their own armed movement to fight Ethiopia, one that would also intimidate the WSLF and discourage further violence against Isaaq civilians.[70] Their new movement, supported and financed by Isaaqs,[70] was named Afraad (the fourth unit) and became operational in 1979.[73][74] The Isaaq movement of Afraad immediately came into conflict with the Ogaden clan's faction of WSLF in the form of a number of bloody encounters between the two groups. Afraad's objective was to push the WSLF out of their strongholds (Isaaq territory) whereas the WSLF responded by retaliating further against Isaaq civilians living in the border region.[70]The situation was further exacerbated by the appointment of Mohamed Hashi Gani, a cousin of President Siad Barre and fellow Marehan Darod, as the military commander of the northern regions with headquarters in Hargeisa in 1980.[75] Gani's rule was especially harsh against Isaaq, he removed them from all key economic positions, seized their properties and placed the northern regions under emergency laws.[75] He also ordered the transfer of Afraad away from the border region, giving the WSLF complete control of the border region, thus leaving Isaaq nomads in the area without any protection against WSLF violence."

 

[Cumar]

Ogaden were spared in Hargeisa for the most part. None of them should be complaining.

When the SNM liberated Hargeisa, they were given few hours to either leave the city or be sent to the akihrah. They choose wisely and escaped into Ethiopia.

Only clan that got a severe karbaash and can complain about the SNM are Gadabursi as far as I am concerned.

 

[Mohi]

those 50,000 or was it 5000, your deads number changes every year, were technically killed by their terrorist militia when they used them as human shields.

What about the air attack? Thousands died from air raid alone including people I know. We will never forget

 

[Tenacious]

I disagree with you. Ogadens in Woqooyi Galbeed were settling in our lands, taking our leadership in our own regions and exploiting our economy/resources so we kicked them out since Ogadens in Ethiopia that were armed by Siad Barre were killing Isaaq nomads in Hawd to settle the old scores.

"Displacement of Isaaq and arming of refugeesAll of Somalia felt the impact of the Ogaden War defeat, however the northern region (where Isaaqs live) experienced the majority of the physical and human destruction due to its geographical proximity to the fighting.[56] Somalia's defeat in the Ethio-Somali War caused an influx of Ethiopian refugees (mostly ethnic Somalis and some Oromo)[57] across the border to Somalia. By 1979, official figures reported 1.3 million refugees in Somalia, more than half of them were settled in Isaaq lands in the north.[58] This has caused great deal of burden on both the local Isaaqs and state apparatus, especially coming off a costly war with Ethiopia, Somali studies scholar I. M. Lewis noted that "the stark fact remained that the economy of the country simply did not possess the resources to absorb so many uprooted people."[59]The presence of such a large number of refugees, especially when Somalia's total population at the time was 4.1 million (UN estimates[60]) meant that virtually one out of every four people in Somalia was a refugee.[61] The Barre regime exploited the presence of such a large number of refugees as means of seeking foreign aid,[62] as well as a vehicle to displacing those deemed hostile to the state, notably the Isaaqs, Human Rights Watch noted that:"Northerners [Isaaqs] were dismissed from and not allowed to work in government offices dealing with refugee affairs, so that they would not discover the truth about the government's policies. Instead refugees, registered with UNHCR were given jobs in the offices dealing with refugee matters."[63]As the state became increasingly reliant on international aid, aid resources allocated for the refugees caused further resentment from the local Isaaq residents, especially as they felt no effort was made on the government's part to compensate them for bearing the burden of the war.[64] Furthermore, Barre heavily favoured the Ogaden refugees, who belonged to the same clan (Darod) as him. Due to these ties, the Ogaden refugees enjoyed preferential access to "social services, business licenses and even government posts." [65] As expressed animosity and discontent in the north grew, Barre armed the Ogaden refugees, and in doing so created an irregular army operating inside Isaaq territories, the regime's use of armed refugees against local Isaaq populations in the north is also referenced in an Africa Watch report:"[M]any Ogadeni refugees were recruited into the WSLF. The WSLF was ostensibly being trained to fight Ethiopia to regain the Ogaden [Western Somalia], but, in fact, terrorized the Isaak [Isaaq] civilian population living in the border region, which came to fear them more than the Ethiopian army. Killings, rape and looting became common."[63]Barre was essentially ensuring the loyalty of the Ogaden refugees through continued preferential treatment and protection at the expense of the local Isaaq who were not only bypassed for economic, social and political advancement but also forcefully suppressed by both the Somali Armed Forces and the Ogaden refugee militias.[65]The settlement of Ogaden refugees in Isaaq territory, and the arming of these groups (which effectively created a foreign army in the north[66]), further antagonised local Isaaq population. The armed Ogaden refugees, together with members of the Marehan and Dhulbahanta soldiers (whom were provoked and encouraged by the Barre regime) started a campaign of terror against the local Isaaqs[67] as they raped women, murdered unarmed civilians, and prevented families from conducting proper burials. Barre ignored Isaaq complaints throughout the 1980s,[68] this along with Barre's repression of criticism or discussions of the widespread atrocities in the north[69] had the effect of turning the long-standing Isaaq disaffection into open opposition.Creation of Ogaden militiaThe government started a program of creating paramilitary groups among the Ogaden refugees as well as conscripting them into the national army, it also encouraged the creation of armed militia groups among members of the Darod (the clan of Siad Barre).[70] The Somali Army managed the training of both groups, and costs incurred including any expenditure for their arms and equipment, radio communications and fuel came from the army's budget.One of the militias formed by the Ogaden refugees was the WSLF, officially created to fight Ethiopia and "reclaim ethnic Somali territory" in Ethiopia[71] but it was used primarily against local Isaaq civilians and nomads.[72] A Human Rights Watch's Africa Watch report states "The WSLF was ostensibly being trained to fight Ethiopia to regain the Ogaden, but, in fact, terrorized the Isaak civilian population living in the border region, which came to fear them more than the Ethiopian army. Killing, rape and looting became common." [70]As the WSLF, supported by the Barre regime, continued to attack and commit atrocities against the Isaaq, a delegation was sent meet President Barre in 1979 to request making a stop to WSLF abuses. In spite of promises made to the Isaaq elders the violence against civilians and nomads by WSLF continued.[70]The continued abuse of WSLF and the government's indifference to the suffering of Isaaq civilians and nomads prompted many Isaaq army officers to desert the army with a view to creating their own armed movement to fight Ethiopia, one that would also intimidate the WSLF and discourage further violence against Isaaq civilians.[70] Their new movement, supported and financed by Isaaqs,[70] was named Afraad (the fourth unit) and became operational in 1979.[73][74] The Isaaq movement of Afraad immediately came into conflict with the Ogaden clan's faction of WSLF in the form of a number of bloody encounters between the two groups. Afraad's objective was to push the WSLF out of their strongholds (Isaaq territory) whereas the WSLF responded by retaliating further against Isaaq civilians living in the border region.[70]The situation was further exacerbated by the appointment of Mohamed Hashi Gani, a cousin of President Siad Barre and fellow Marehan Darod, as the military commander of the northern regions with headquarters in Hargeisa in 1980.[75] Gani's rule was especially harsh against Isaaq, he removed them from all key economic positions, seized their properties and placed the northern regions under emergency laws.[75] He also ordered the transfer of Afraad away from the border region, giving the WSLF complete control of the border region, thus leaving Isaaq nomads in the area without any protection against WSLF violence."

Hawd is OGADEN land not eydoor land never has been never will it be. Your refugees came to our land and thought they can just take it and we had every right Islamically to defend what is rightfully ours. as for wslf were they not lead by issaq, so your own leaders were killing your refugees in Ogadeniya while the other ones were using them as human shields in hargaysa. What your terrorists did to your tol was not a reason to attack innocent people.

 

[Tenacious]

What about the air attack? Thousands died from air raid alone including people I know. We will never forget

So what? again, what does that have to do with innocent helpless refugees butchered by you terrorists. You cannot justify your tols savagery against innocent people.

 

[Cumar]

Hawd is OGADEN land not eydoor land never has been never will it be. Your refugees came to our land and thought they can just take it and we had every right Islamically to defend what is rightfully ours. as for wslf were they not lead by issaq, so your own leaders were killing your refugees in Ogadeniya while the other ones were using them as human shields in hargaysa. What your terrorists did to your tol was not a reason to attack innocent people.

All your people are good for is raping innocent women and killing children and then you cry "terrorists" when we fight back and defend ourselves and our families. Spare us the bullshit narrative your folks fed you.

 

[Factz]

Hawd is OGADEN land not eydoor land never has been never will it be. Your refugees came to our land and thought they can just take it and we had every right Islamically to defend what is rightfully ours. as for wslf were they not lead by issaq, so your own leaders were killing your refugees in Ogadeniya while the other ones were using them as human shields in hargaysa. What your terrorists did to your tol was not a reason to attack innocent people.

You filthy Caghdeer, did you read what I posted? Hawd is Isaaqland, let's not go there. Isaaq nomads were being killed by your people after Siad Barre armed WSLF during 1977 war but when the war ended, you used those weapons against innocent Isaaq people in Hawd. What we did in Somaliland against your people was justified since you had the power thanks to Afweyne but we got rid of him and you caghdeers. No we did not use anyone as human shields, that's a Dofaarood propaganda. Isaaq civilians were killed in major cities by jet fighters and even foreign jet fighters but alhamdulillah in the end we defeated the MOD regime and took control of our lands.

 

[Tenacious]

All your people are good for raping innocent women and children and then you cry when we fight back and defend ourselves. Spare us the bullshit your folks fed you.

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wslf were lead by eydoor so you safe your tears. TERRORIST.

 

[Cumar]

wslf were lead by eydoor so you safe your tears. TERRORIST.