Jubaland and Its Inhabitants by F.Elliot

[Ferrari]

@Sultan sxb why are dhulos closer to ogs than their harti relatives?

Because harti is fake news. Dhulos and OGs have a long history together stretching beyond the dervishes. The people who worked the hardest to undermine the dervishes were non dhuulos harti.

 

[Sultan]

@Sultan sxb why are dhulos closer to ogs than their harti relatives?

The dhulos and MJs are one extended family in Jubaland and Kenya.They settle together and mostly go by the name Harti.Even during the colonial era,There was a fierce battle between Majeerteen and Mahamed Suber in Jubaland.Dhulos first pretended to be neutral but actively helped the MJ in that conflict.I don't know about the Mjs and dhulos from north maybe those ones don't like one other.

 

[ManlikeYJ]

The dhulos and MJs are one extended family in Jubaland and Kenya.They settle together and mostly go by the name Harti.Even during the colonial era,There was a fierce battle between Majeerteen and Mahamed Suber in Jubaland.Dhulos first pretended to be neutral but actively helped the MJ in that conflict.I don't know about the Mjs and dhulos from north maybe those ones don't like one other.

how did they help the mjs? i have just noticed that dhulos and ogs are closer to each other. in terms of marriage, understanding culture etc

 

[Sultan]

how did they help the mjs? i have just noticed that dhulos and ogs are closer to each other. in terms of marriage, understanding culture etc

I think that's a myth.How are we close to each other when we even don't share a border?Dhulos heavily intermarry with either Isaaq or Mj but it is true Dhulos are mostly in good terms with Ogaden and Marehan.

Marriage and politics are different. Dhulos may hate Mjs and Isaaqs politically but in terms of marriage and social relations it is quite the opposite. Immediate neighbors always tend to marry each other more frequently.

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[Starscream]

I think that's a myth.How are we close to each other when we even don't share a border?Dhulos heavily intermarry with either Isaaq or Mj but it is true Dhulos are mostly in good terms with Ogaden and Marehan.

Marriage and politics are different. Dhulos may hate Mjs and Isaaqs politically but in terms of marriage and social relations it is quite the opposite. Immediate neighbors always tend to marry each other more frequently.

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Not really dhulos intermix with ogaden more than mj tbh
Same is true with warsangeli
Dh and mj never mix mainly because the eastern half exclusively never mixes or mix with warsangeli
Also dhulos ogaden share same mother where mj and warsangeli share same mom this is one of th e reason why mj warsangeli gang up against dhulos they use names like habar mijerteen which means all harti but dhulos

 

[Sultan]

Not really dhulos intermix with ogaden more than mj tbh
Same is true with warsangeli
Dh and mj never mix mainly because the eastern half exclusively never mixes or mix with warsangeli
Also dhulos ogaden share same mother where mj and warsangeli share same mom this is one of th e reason why mj warsangeli gang up against dhulos they use names like habar mijerteen which means all harti but dhulos

In 1962 I. M. Lewis, an English anthropologist who did extensive research among the Northern Somalis published an essay on Somali Marriage customs. Most of his research was conducted among the Dhulbahante. In a survery of 89 marriages contracted by Dhulbahante men, Dr Lewis found the following statistical facts:

55 (62 per cent) were with women of Dulbahante primary lineages other than those of their husbands; 30 (33.7 per cent.) with surrounding clans of other clan families (with the Habar Yuunis, 10; Habar Tol Jaelo, 18; and Hawiye, 3); and 3 (4.3 per cent.) with other clans of the Daarood clan-family (Majeerteen, 2; Ogaadeen, 1).

 

[World]

I think that's a myth.How are we close to each other when we even don't share a border?Dhulos heavily intermarry with either Isaaq or Mj but it is true Dhulos are mostly in good terms with Ogaden and Marehan.

Marriage and politics are different. Dhulos may hate Mjs and Isaaqs politically but in terms of marriage and social relations it is quite the opposite. Immediate neighbors always tend to marry each other more frequently.

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Ogs and Dhulos share a border in Ethiopia.

 

[Sultan]

Ogs and Dhulos share a border in Ethiopia.

I know

 

[BirtaanJabin]

In the Jubba the Harti intermarry heavily and they also marry with Ogaden


In Mudug Majeerteen marry with Sacad Leelkase And Wagardhac
In Bari they marry with Warsans and Dhulos and Arab Salad
In Nugaal they marry with Dhulo and OG

 

[Grant]

"At 7 p.m., while the askaris, or African soldiers, were settling down to evening meals, the Aulihan burst upon the British post. The Somalis set the surprised soldiers' huts on fire, and killed many of them as they fled the flames. By one account, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal himself is said to have shot Elliot beneath the ear with a revolver, and by another, to have donned Elliot's sun helmet after the raid. Dozens of Elliot's men were killed in the attack, while the survivors escaped across the Juba River to the nearby Italian post at Baardheere.The Somalis captured the company's maxim gun along with large quantities of arms and ammunition. 24 For the next 18 months, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's northern Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign over much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of whom the Aulihan were a part, as "one of the most formidable fighting tribes in Africa" because of their mobility with their ponies, remarkable endurance, and the skill with which they wielded their spears."

@Grant don't be giving my land to bantus. I know yall cadaans love to f*ck shit up, but ain't u got something better to do than to spend your retirement on here trying to give my land away like your forefathers did in colonial days?

Your land? Eighteen months is not forever. It took the Italians to defeat the Bantus and expropriation and fraudulent land schemes to take their land. This is going to turn into a numbers and allies game.

 

[Starscream]

In 1962 I. M. Lewis, an English anthropologist who did extensive research among the Northern Somalis published an essay on Somali Marriage customs. Most of his research was conducted among the Dhulbahante. In a survery of 89 marriages contracted by Dhulbahante men, Dr Lewis found the following statistical facts:

55 (62 per cent) were with women of Dulbahante primary lineages other than those of their husbands; 30 (33.7 per cent.) with surrounding clans of other clan families (with the Habar Yuunis, 10; Habar Tol Jaelo, 18; and Hawiye, 3); and 3 (4.3 per cent.) with other clans of the Daarood clan-family (Majeerteen, 2; Ogaadeen, 1).

I explain this multiple times that's buhoodle district alone
Depending on where the survey is done the outcome is vastly different

 

[Ferrari]

Your land? Eighteen months is not forever. It took the Italians to defeat the Bantus and expropriation and fraudulent land schemes to take their land. This is going to turn into a numbers and allies game.

"A lot of raids on the nascent government bomas such as Yonti , Kismayu, Afmadu and Serenli
were waged by the Ogaden in resisting the establishment of colonial rule in Jubalan<t In -the
period between 1896 and 1926, This- resistance took the form of hit and run tactics where
bands of warriors organised themselves to loot the government bomas. Surprise attacks on
imperial forces, such as the raid of 14 April 1897 on Yonte ' s garrison twenty kilometres
north of Kismayu by Abdirahman Mursal , were another strategy adopted by the Ogaden in
the hinterland of the~Kismayu coast. Another raid was made hy the Ogaden on the 14 July
1898 on Kismayu where they took away twenty eight Government cattle and one hundred
twenty goats. The Government forces pursued the Ogaden warriors but could not catch up
with them . Every time the imperial forces pursued the 0 6aden warriors the latter would
retreat and disappear into the bush. The Ogaden also looted from the imperial forces supplies and ammunition that were eventually used against the British forces.On the evening of 12 April, a report reached the
expeditionary force that the post at Yonte, some fifteen kilometres from Kismayu, was in
danger of attack by the Ogaden. Due to this, at 4.00 am on I3 April 1897 Mr Craufurd and
his force marched to Yonti. Having reached Yonti at 9.30 am, they found only the tail-end
of the Ogaden fighters disappearing into the bush. 56 The expedition could do nothing but
to prepare for another sudden attack by the Ogaden warriors. This continuous state of affairs
would influence the British East Africa Protectorate to cede the Jubaland province to Italian
rule in 1926."



The british were in jubaland intially and they only ceded to it Italy after they couldn't hold on to it and brought it under its control because the ogaden wouldn't let them.

You are deliberately lying.

 

[Grant]

The British gave the Jubaland to the Italians because of Italian military support in WWI. You did notice the British kept the NFD? Nassib Bundo beat the Ogaden and kept them away from the river. It was the Italians that beat Bundo and the Gosha Sultanate.


https://translate.google.com/transl...e.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassib_Bundo&prev=search

"In the 1870s, Nassib Bundo began to gain political importance by participating in the battles against the hunters and collectors of the bonuses and in 1875/76 appeared in negotiations with an Egyptian expedition as a leader of the Gosha residents in appearance. The Egyptians were initially unsure whether to consider him or the Makua Farahan Makua as head of the Gosha, but Farahan Makua was killed, possibly at the instigation of Nassib Bundo. Within the Gosha, Nassib Bundo prevailed against other rivals such as the Zigula Makoma Maligo and the Ngindo Songollo Mafula . Around 1885 Nassib Bundo was recognized as the head of several villages. He established a "Sultanate Goshaland" as a political and military unit of several villages and was recognized by Zanzibar and later by the advancing European colonial powers as "Sultan". Using firearms acquired through trade with Zanzibar, the Gosha residents succeeded under his leadership to defeat the Ogadeni-Darod around 1890. These had previously traded with the former slaves, but also repeatedly invaded villages. On the other hand, he agreed with parts of the nomadic Somali clans of the Biimal and Sheekhaal to refrain from taking slaves who escaped from them in his villages; maybe he even refunded some of them.

To consolidate his power, Nassib Bundo combined Islamic and traditional African mysticism. In traditions he is said to have supernatural abilities, such as that he could use wild animals in his favor. So he is said to have sent the crocodiles of the Jubba River against his rivals within the Gosha, and he threatened heads of families who refused to give him their daughters into marriage. From the villages below, he is said to have demanded virgins as a tribute, moreover, he should have claimed a substantial part of the existing prosperity for themselves.

The colonial powers Great Britain and Italy, which invaded the area around 1890, both sought to secure Nassib Bundo's support by offering him a scholarship. However, Nassib Bundo remained suspicious of them and was keen to maintain his position within the Gosha. Around 1903, he allegedly had correspondence with Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who led a rebellion against the colonizers in northern Somalia and sought allies in the south. After all, there were other Gosha leaders - including his own son - who complained to the Italians about his rule. Nassib Bundo was then arrested and died in 1906 in a prison in Mogadishu at senility and disease.

Reception

Nassib Bundo's death was mentioned in a poem by a Somali from Hobyo , which shows how far his fame had been during his lifetime.

It was sometimes stylized as "African Spartacus " during Italian fascist rule, and Italian author Ugo Bargoni wrote a novel about him in 1931 ( Nel regno di Nassib Bundo, Lo Spartaco della Somalia Italiana ). In Somalia's independence in 1960, Nassib Bundo was named by the Somali Youth League as one of the country's anti-colonial heroes. [2]

On the one hand, the Gosha is reminiscent of the sometimes tyrannical behavior of Nassib Bundo, on the other hand he is especially honored as a hero because of the important victory against the Ogadeni."

 

[JONB]

Anything South of Kismaayo and Baardheere were inhabited by Borana before the Ogadens. The rest who claim that land came after the Ogadens including Bantus except the Bajuunis who have been living on the coast for centuries

 

[JONB]

"A lot of raids on the nascent government bomas such as Yonti , Kismayu, Afmadu and Serenli
were waged by the Ogaden in resisting the establishment of colonial rule in Jubalan<t In -the
period between 1896 and 1926, This- resistance took the form of hit and run tactics where
bands of warriors organised themselves to loot the government bomas. Surprise attacks on
imperial forces, such as the raid of 14 April 1897 on Yonte ' s garrison twenty kilometres
north of Kismayu by Abdirahman Mursal , were another strategy adopted by the Ogaden in
the hinterland of the~Kismayu coast. Another raid was made hy the Ogaden on the 14 July
1898 on Kismayu where they took away twenty eight Government cattle and one hundred
twenty goats. The Government forces pursued the Ogaden warriors but could not catch up
with them . Every time the imperial forces pursued the 0 6aden warriors the latter would
retreat and disappear into the bush. The Ogaden also looted from the imperial forces supplies and ammunition that were eventually used against the British forces.On the evening of 12 April, a report reached the
expeditionary force that the post at Yonte, some fifteen kilometres from Kismayu, was in
danger of attack by the Ogaden. Due to this, at 4.00 am on I3 April 1897 Mr Craufurd and
his force marched to Yonti. Having reached Yonti at 9.30 am, they found only the tail-end
of the Ogaden fighters disappearing into the bush. 56 The expedition could do nothing but
to prepare for another sudden attack by the Ogaden warriors. This continuous state of affairs
would influence the British East Africa Protectorate to cede the Jubaland province to Italian
rule in 1926."



The british were in jubaland intially and they only ceded to it Italy after they couldn't hold on to it and brought it under its control because the ogaden wouldn't let them.

You are deliberately lying.

Somalis and their jealousy towards the Ogaden clan's anti-colonial history. Magan Yusuf and Mursal really made the British cowards hand over What's today known as Jubbaland, because they couldn't catch up with the locals (the Ogadens). Even Kenyans embrace the bravery of Ogaden who were the only Somalis in NEP resisting the British qashin

 

[JONB]

Nasiib Buunto was born in Mozambique, enslaved by Somalis (i think biyomaal or tuuni) on the coast around Marka and Baraawe. He organised and ressetled other Bantu ex-slaves around the Jubba later on. This is well known history for the guy who is spewing suugo history