Israel Is Achieving It's Greater Israel Dream

[DR OSMAN]

Due to the careless Hamas leaders who are only there to enrich themselves on the back of palestinian grievances, which is verifiable, Israel loves this situation. As Sun Tzu taught you 'study your enemy' not apply your emotions to them. Israel has 3 camps. The puritan zionist believe all land between the nile and euphrates is the land of Israel and demand Israeli govt to achieve this promise of god and dream.

The moderate zionist camp believe west bank/gaza is judae/samaria and demand it's govt to achieve those goals. The last camp is weaker zionist who still believes in 2 state solution based on 1967 borders. The extinct zionist camp of 1948 borders isn't even on the table anymore. How did Israel go from 2 state solution based on 1948 borders which was quite generous to Palestinians to now where even west bank is being land grabbed and eventually gaza. Well it's due to careless leaders in Palestine who are using this palestinian grievance as a cash cow to get rich and don't really care about it's people.

Israel plans are simple. During ceasefire agreements, they will do non violent expansion such as what they do in the west bank till they swallow up all west bank and eventually gaza and deliver the goals of what the moderate zionists want all gaza/west bank under Israel. During wars as witnessed in 1967, it will resort to hard and foreful annexation of land using the philosophy 'land losses is the cost of war'. It will switch between peaceful expansion philosophy when the time calls for it like ceasefire agreements and during war times it will implement the same 1967 strategy of hard annexation.

Palestine is today crying about west bank and gaza, but if this plays out how it is, the arabs will be crying about all land from euphrates to the nile. Once west bank/gaza mission is over and annexed and renamed judae-samaria, they will continue to either stoke a conflict with jordan-egypt-lebanon-iraq to achieve further land annexation from conflict.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Palestinians can cry all they want their right and Israel is wrong, but being right morally doesn't mean anything when it comes to win/losses. You can scream your moral crap but don't cry when west bank/gaza is gone also, what's the point of being right if your losing? it's better being 'wrong' and winning.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Palestine is the weaker side, the weaker side should negiotate and take what-ever is given since it's better then nothing or even more losses as witnessed. U fight another day for the rest of ur argument using the strategy that produces your goals not a strategy that produces ur LOSSES as they have resorted too. Israel can be defeated but not thru war, i've argued countless times it's international image is 'low' globally even in the west at the civilian level.

They can pursue BDS to hurt Israel economically by influencing their 'greatest trading partners'. You can use internal division inside Israel between ashkenazi who are only 30% yet weild 90% of the power. U can fuel division within the ashkenazis between the hardliners and moderates. Thaat would produce far better results for palestine then their careless war path.

When u r 'cat' u dont fight a lion, u turn lions on themselves so the cat can get it's territory. Hamas pathetic strategy of basing itself in hospitals-market places-schools and soft targets is calculated strategy to get world sympathy when Israel targets it, but it has backfired and their told to stop resorting to using human sheilds. These clowns game plan has been exposed yet the clowns continue to repeat it, that's what u call careless leadership.

This is exactly what SNM did in hargeisa against Siyad Barre using isaaq sheilds, operating in civilian quarters so when Siyad targetted those area, they wanted global-national sympathy plus also their ppl to point the blame on siyad govt, why? cuz they were after their personal interests and power hungry, that's all.

 

[DR OSMAN]

War is primarily about by the win/loss equation not morality of who's right or wrong or wat god thinks. Then strong-weak will be big factors in win/loss outcome. Palestine has been on the loss side for 70 years, so what does any ppl preaching for PALESTINE IS RIGHT and Israel Is Evil, this won't change the win/loss ratio nor the strong-weak factors of the war. If those factors don't change, palestine won't win, ur defying fucking LOGIC and sending misery upon these ppl thru careless leadership.

 

[Kool-Aid]

100% israel will take over all of gaza after this war. They would be foolish not to. They will not get a chance like this again. They can also 100% take the west bank if they want to.

However i don't see them establishing greater israel as that will cause unnecessary tension with arab countries and they might actually lose western support. Israel had control of the sinai when they won the war against Egypt and other arab countries. They ended up returning it in 1982 in return for Egypt recognizing them. If they wanted to they could have kept it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

100% israel will take over all of gaza after this war. They would be foolish not to. They will not get a chance like this again. They can also 100% take the west bank if they want to.

However i don't see them establishing greater israel as that will cause unnecessary tension with arab countries and they might actually lose western support. Israel had control of the sinai when they won the war against Egypt and other arab countries. They ended up returning it in 1982 in return for Egypt recognizing them. If they wanted to they could have kept it.

Yes they may or may not but it's still a legit dream of the hardline zionist camp, im pretty sure u heard them screaming nile to the euphrates before, plus this section make up around 15% of their population the ultra orthodox, they may not be in the majority now, but im pretty sure some zionist genius who still believes in it will put in a 'strategem' to create the conditions possibly 'conflict smokescreen' and then 'annex' those lands like they did in golan heights/sinai.

I am pretty sure it won't go after the sinai immediately due to the peace-deal, but it still has enemies in syria-lebanon so it can use those 'existing' conflict to at least grab more land untill their outside the euphrates and thru those conflicts the usual 'cawaan' egyptian will possibly end the peace-treaty playing right into their 'strategem' and use a conflict with them to push beyond the sinai but to outside the Nile. It's all about 'strategy' and when u make a strategy your also 'calculating' the responses that will happen and how it can then lead into ur final goal of land grabs. It may not come 'over night' but it may come in 'increment'.

As for the 2 state solution based on 67 borders, it enjoys 10% support among Israeli today. The 1948 zionist camp are extinct and off the table. Today they are socially conditioning their ppl to see gaza-west bank as 'judae, samaria' and their actively doing land settlements in west bank and gaza is giving it more conflict as it can then denounce a separate 'gaza' as a security risk to Israel and on those grounds 'swallow' it up and deliver the judae-samaria goal of now even the moderate zionist camp, this is the 'majority' of their ppl who want this outcome now.

Palestine lost so many opportunities due to careless leadership, today their gambling gaza n west bank, no-one would've imagined this in the 50s-60s lol also im pretty sure. So don't rule out greater israel vision of the ultra orthodox camp.

 

[DR OSMAN]

100% israel will take over all of gaza after this war. They would be foolish not to. They will not get a chance like this again. They can also 100% take the west bank if they want to.

However i don't see them establishing greater israel as that will cause unnecessary tension with arab countries and they might actually lose western support. Israel had control of the sinai when they won the war against Egypt and other arab countries. They ended up returning it in 1982 in return for Egypt recognizing them. If they wanted to they could have kept it.

The jews of muslim land origin is large there like 70% or something crazy, but their disempowered totally for the 30% ashkenazi jews, wat the arab world should've of done was normalize ties with Israel completely and unconditionally, bring tourists to come arab lands and reconnect with their ancestoral homeland, conditioned them slowly and said u r disempowered and weak and majority in israel while ashkenaz are 30% yet weild 90% of power.

We should've of also hosted the left wing ashkenaz to further cement their division. But that's not at all possible due to hamas careless leadership, pursuing violence even tho it's returned nothing and even MORE LOSSES. Who pursues the same thing with NEGATIVE return only them 'falastisi' losers.

We r serving Israel it's damn 'unity' becuz we r playing their 'enemy' role, we must not play their enemy but FRIEND role so they see the 'enemy' inside Israel within itself due to how unbalanced power is thru their communities or how right wing ashkenaz are too dominant, that should be our gameplan while we also 'build' ourselves up in the islamic world stealthly. This would have a far better outcome of ending Israel. When your a 'mouse' it waits silently for cats to destroy themselves before it takes over it's vacant land.

 

[Nilotic]

This is horrible for the Palestinians; none of the proposals were acceptable to begin with.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This is horrible for the Palestinians; none of the proposals were acceptable to begin with.

So what's the answer bro, fight 70 years while losing more land? thats careless leadership on palestine part not Israel. When u r weak u take wat UR GIVEN, if ur smart u work stealthly to build yourself up while destroying the other side 'within itself' not outside of itself as that will unify them. Its not about morality anymore u can be 100% right morally but still lose in a conflict. Win/losses r not determined by who is right or wrong but strength/weakness.

 

[Nilotic]

So what's the answer bro, fight 70 years while losing more land? thats careless leadership on palestine part not Israel. When u r weak u take wat UR GIVEN, if ur smart u work stealthly to build yourself up while destroying the other side 'within itself' not outside of itself as that will unify them.

Unfortunately, I don't see a way out for the Palestinians; a one State solution is incredibly unlikely, however, it's the only possible solution at this point.

 

[reer]

This is horrible for the Palestinians; none of the proposals were acceptable to begin with.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Unfortunately, I don't see a way out for the Palestinians; a one State solution is incredibly unlikely, however, it's the only possible solution at this point.

Remember Sun Tzu philosophy said 'study ur enemy' based on 'them' don't add ur emotions to it or else u will pursue a strategem that is unsucessful in it's returns. Israel is first n foremost a 'jewish' state not a 'democracy' like the west, it's ethno-religious state, I prefer to call it a 'jewish caliphate', anything that may harm this 'character' will be rejected by them.

A 1 state solution with Palestine is going to hurt it, why? the palestinians outside palestine-israel are like 6 million, inside Gaza/west bank probably 3 million, then their also 20% of Israel population, a one state solution will destroy the idea of the 'jewish state'. Unless u can present a 1 state model with no harm to the 'jewish' character of the state, it won't be accepted.

 

[DR OSMAN]

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You can tell they over-invest in security such as MOSSAD-IDF, they even have policies everyone can be called upon in war, they focus heavily on 'technology' sector to modernize it's 'security' only. So this speech whether it's true or false doesn't matter, Israel has shown clearly it's about 'military' first and foremost. I also suspect they need 'enemies' so conflict can happen so land losses can occur either in big swoop like 67 or in increments like west bank.

They seem to only tweak how they do the land expansion depending on ceasefire or war conditions. When it's ceasefire they bring in ultra-orthodox radicals who they know want all west bank-gaza plus all the promise from nile to euphrates and turn a blind eye, while during war they do a forceful annexation arguing on 'land losses is the cost of war' or the other one they love is 'for israel security we need to annex this territory'. Im pretty sure they created Hamas to serve as the 'war' puppet it needs.