Islamist In Somalia How They Rose

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The Islamists are very tricky, it's a shame they ruin their 'status and title of Imam' in the community with 'politics', who-ever advised them to enter politics, was not thinking long-term because politics 'ruins' your reputation, no-one will listen to them ever again in aspects of religion. This has exactly happened, Imams are now viewed with SUSPICION in society, where-as before they entered politics, they were given high spot in our culture. They ruined it wallahi for themselves. Imam siyasadaysan waa imaam tuug ah oo meel kale iyo dan kale gaba. Why would u need power in politics when u have 'power' over the minds and lives of the people in that society thru mosques? their is no need for more POWER at all unless someone is sending them.

I suspect personally it's a jewish conspiracy but as all will say, conspiracy aduunka kuma shaqayso. I feel the Jews want our people and Muslims in general to 'hate' Islam so they make their 'imams' turn political, how they did that is thru the use of 'colonial powers' in the past and thru the 'use' of western powers today by 'waging' war in the ISLAMIC WORLD. They want to kill the only 'two areas' you have left in a society that you trust which is your religious leaders and your clan elders, those are the two areas of Somali culture that are respected beyond POLITICS and division matters. Kursi ayaa loo baneeya inay 'qayb' ka qaatan 'talada' mar walbo. I haven't seen another section of group with as much 'power' and 'influence' over Somalis but those two groups. So why they followed this jewish attempt to make them politicians is beyond me and not see the disastrous outcome this would lead to them and their standings in their society.

Anyways the way these guys work is like this. In 91 they took over all the economic infrastructure of the nation like telecom, banks, and ports. They ensured the money was pumping thru for them. They opened up universities in Somalia so they can begin 'generating' a new generation of 'ISLAMIST' minded leaders. These people have formed parties now like 'al ictisam, al itihaad, they are numerous' but they all report to the 'ikhwaan' who is their OVERLORD. Anyways while they were building themselves in Somalia by taking over economic lifelines and education lifelines, they kept a low profile, but their all interlinked from Bosaso to Hamar to Hargeisa to Kismayo. They operate in all societies and have 'political arm' involved by using their ECONOMIC power in each region.

They have contacts and friends overseas in muslim brotherhood parties in many countries not just one and they learn from their 'political strategy' and they give this to their politicians in 'hisbiyada'. They also learn how to operate as a charity using the like of Islamist based charity organization and Turkey is a big 'educator' in this aspect. Turkey cannot be seen involved politically/militarily anywhere due to the NATO pact, so the IKHWAN clearly gave them a humanitarian role in the party idealogy so it doesn't raise any eyebrows.

You do not provide humanitarian aid to a country you don't see as a potential 'ally' or you share a 'common belief'. That's why they are STUCK in mogadishu constantly as this is the headquarter of the IKHWAN in Somalia ma garatay? PL hates Ikhwan after what happened in EGYPT with two presidents selected in the CAIRO conference for Hawiye. The Ikhwan used to influence Egyptian politics ensuring the leader at the time provided concessions to them, they would allow not to take power in EGYPT in return they support their 'foreign' policy. Why? they did this? well if you can't run your country, why not build up other countries with your IDEALOGY and come back later to take over egypt. This was Ikhwan policy towards egypt and why it was peaceful for a long time.

They are very snake based organization, becareful of Ikhwan. When I go to Bosaso wallahi I view them as USC becaause I read what happened in CAIRO conference when Ikhwan party ensured the dictator at the time supported the USC camp who they knew was the Headquarter of Ikhwan in Somalia, thru this they could use the Ikhwan links to ensure 'Somalia' follows them to the ultimate 'war path' which is against the western world.

The ikhwan end goal is a similar structure to commonwealth of britain who had so many nations under the commonwealth with one big caliph or king at the top. Each nation will be independent but share 'common' principles between them especially foreign policy wise, political culture, islamic doctrine, etc. Their end goal is to destroy the western world thru tactics that was exposed by the CIA like infilitration of the banking sector, education sector, lobby groups, to make 'conflict' between western countries using islamic 'resources' in their allied countries. Their a bunch of sick sons of es. Any politics that is based on destroying someone else is not a political outlook that is halal. Why don't you learn to COMPETE rather then DESTROY
 

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I prefer Abdillahi Yusuf method. Kick their ass. I am traditionalist and believe in our traditional history and culture over any islamist model. PL was never apart of the cusmaniyinta empire nor any islamic caliphate. We were an independent kingdom like OMAN. Nomadic societies the quran says of the bedouin he lags behind the REST meaning 'settlers' iyo waxay ku heeshiyan. It's true, we want to see evidence first before we join any of that crap, you settlers do it first and we will join u later when we see u succeed till then OMANI MODEL ASS. We will not join FAKE islamic states beyond the rashidun khilafa, ma dhex galayno fitnadooda, markay iyagu ismidayan oo noqdan sida mamuladi rashidunka, dhib ayaa laysu noqon kara oo cadayn loo jeeda war meeshani kheyr ba ka soo socode.

Ottomans have failed wallahi, they used to leave alone the nomad populations and focus on settled areas of islam. They know those nomads need convincing with wisdom not power not money but total hikmad. They don't join something they see no wisdom behind.
 

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The bedu culture in the quran is in reference to any desert dwelling society, their shaped by the same environment and it creates the same structures of independence. The reason why the quran probably says the BEDU lags behind constantly, their is no HEIRACHY in the BEDU structure, yes there is clan elders and their is clan affiliations but the BEDU can 'disappear' he doesn't have any ORDER on top like the settler heirachy, the settler heirachy will go and march without thinking as long as the order is from the top, this is not the BEDU culture at all. He will 'wander off' or even 'leave' if he doesn't seen any wisdom. Kuma shaqayan iyagu 'awood iyo amar' their has to been some wisdom behind what their doing or they end up thinking for themselves since their an independent type of society due to each family having his own economic independence.

This is linked to hard economics, when someone is free economically, they are less likely to take ORDERS. Settlers are another story, this guy isn't free his food and housing is linked at all times to 'overlords' in the cities no matter what name they call themselves in the past or today. They call themselves employers today, yesterday they were known as LAND BARRONS or Aristocrats or watever. They are heirachal society. So the settlers never should mix settler culture and structures with bedu culture and structures, you going to see a huge disaster.
 

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Sahih International: The bedouins are stronger in disbelief and hypocrisy and more likely not to know the limits of what [laws] Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.


It's kind of true the desert cultured people are very knowledgable and understand stuff when they learn it, they know it well because they live in the environment and can relate to it DAILY thru examples. The settlers are very much more believers of anything u bring them, u can convince a settler any day on anything u want since he is under heirachy in the settlement and respects his ORDER. Wuu ku dhinta orderkasi iyo wixi loo sheego. Not the bedouin, their individuals due to economic reason I told u, so their faith will be tested INDIVIDUALLY IN AKHIRO.

Like me I am big hypocrit inside not for Islam but before in real life, I always never believed what I heard but I smiled to ensure I dont disturb the ones who did. This was always the case no matter what I did in life or work. The term 'arab' in somali is 'tongue', western revisionism influenced by jewish israeliyoon nonsense of seed based societies changed arab into nationality. Abbe kama dhaxayso 'arab' we not same father at all, we are not the same tribe even...its common tongue that's it. Have u heard the term 'waa carab la'dahay' lol meaning u lack a tongue u dont speak clearly language. It calls arabic clear language ma garatay.

But ppl mistake arabic the language no it means 'talking language and culture' they are poets, gabya, waxasi weeye iyo sugaan they speak a-lot is the POINT and hence the quran said this is the best speech u will ever see since it was appealing to a desert society where SPEECH is paramount.

There is TWO islams. The oral version because when i came down it came down to an oral based society that was based on TONGUE. Then there is the islam that developed with 'settlers'. I can relate well to the ORAL version and going back to the miyi and appreciating it. I can't relate to the settler one which wrote it on a book and applied their settler interpretation to it. They dont understand unsettled life these settlers. If u want islam u need to go the roots not get settlers to explain it too u, but DEEP IN MIYI. That's probably why they form hyposcrisy cuz they dont like the settler way of learning knowledge.

As for hadith yes the reason why I haven't dismissed it fully is cause of the MIYI. I know how long we kept sayid gabays and sayings its nearly 150 years now and ppl can recite it off heart. Imagine mohamed and his sayings back then which was identical lifestyle to ours.
 
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I would assume the hadith that is correct would be in miyi format, it wud be 'parable, proverb, or something desert like for u to figure out' an open ended question but if it smells of settler type of knowledge and that is INSTRUCTION THIS AND THAT, I raise my suspicion levels up. Thats not how miyi operates. Allah is right bedu type of cultures can never take instructions, we dont see wisdom behind that even if it is from god. Hence the DISBELIEF but god warned us to ponder deeper and deeper till u learn the quran based on your thinking mind set.

We hate laws and instruction and it won't work for us, so we need to teach islam differently to accomodate these ppl. Like for example a reer miyi wont pray because GOD SAID SO, he has to see wisdom behind it since they dont take anyone instructions even in real life untill they RESPECT U, its not a city culture of heirachies their used to instructions since it's linked to their livlihood. No man can control them wallahi since their economically independent with the herds of camels and sheeps and goats. They will always EAT WEEYE and tell u f*ck outta here waryaa.

If the quran is the best hikma, it needs to bedazzle them cuz noone orders anyone around here weeye culturekooda and its due to the economic realities of their structure being free from a BOSS. That's why somalis succeed in contracting or self employment like ganacsi yar yar and stuff not work horse culture and orders or the other place is HIGHER LEARNING as they like hikma to see if it is there but dont waste ur time baan ku oran laha meeshu waa SETTLER culture, they teach based on ORDERS

Settlers need a god of power and big BOSS. It doesn't work like that in miyiga, u need to earn your spot with them like the clan elders do. So god has to play a clan elder level and BEAT THEM basically before they surrender to god completely.
 
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That's why I am adamant we must keep our independence and gobanimo, they live for nothing else. Calooshi illahi bay diideen waagi hore nimankani illa la arko hikmad na deeqi karta, they dont respect heirachy iyo niin ba awood leh iyo sheekadasi, waa inay iyaga ka yaaban oo yirahdan war kani ba noogu roone. So we must never be associated with these settler type societies.

Lifeka inay hard noqota bay ku roon yihin iyo miyigooda markay yaaban bay is dhiiban iyagu not before hand. Like me markan psychosis la yaabay baan is dhiibay completely. Every man or culture has a breaking point before it scales out and is exhausted all ur options. Be it doctor, scientist, therapies, all man made shit u see what i mean. Their is breaking point in all measurable man made stuff. Faith has none. Alla bari ayay galan for that reason in DISASTERS. Except these damn yahudis 5000 years and no breaking point and continuing, now that's not a miracle, that is an everlasting curse. Thats like being stuck in psychosis till im 80 non stop and not reflecting once where the f*ck i went wrong, is pure and sheer ego and arrogance the sign of satan.

It's like some arrogant dude not giving up and thinking a cliff of 'no laws' which means 'destruction' is waiting u, he is so filled up with his ego and im right attitude and my theory has to work, i guess that fulfills the lacnatullah alaykh cause that's where it ends in destruction for them jews.
 
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The Islamists are very tricky, it's a shame they ruin their 'status and title of Imam' in the community with 'politics', who-ever advised them to enter politics, was not thinking long-term because politics 'ruins' your reputation, no-one will listen to them ever again in aspects of religion. This has exactly happened, Imams are now viewed with SUSPICION in society, where-as before they entered politics, they were given high spot in our culture. They ruined it wallahi for themselves. Imam siyasadaysan waa imaam tuug ah oo meel kale iyo dan kale gaba. Why would u need power in politics when u have 'power' over the minds and lives of the people in that society thru mosques? their is no need for more POWER at all unless someone is sending them.

I suspect personally it's a jewish conspiracy but as all will say, conspiracy aduunka kuma shaqayso. I feel the Jews want our people and Muslims in general to 'hate' Islam so they make their 'imams' turn political, how they did that is thru the use of 'colonial powers' in the past and thru the 'use' of western powers today by 'waging' war in the ISLAMIC WORLD. They want to kill the only 'two areas' you have left in a society that you trust which is your religious leaders and your clan elders, those are the two areas of Somali culture that are respected beyond POLITICS and division matters. Kursi ayaa loo baneeya inay 'qayb' ka qaatan 'talada' mar walbo. I haven't seen another section of group with as much 'power' and 'influence' over Somalis but those two groups. So why they followed this jewish attempt to make them politicians is beyond me and not see the disastrous outcome this would lead to them and their standings in their society.

Anyways the way these guys work is like this. In 91 they took over all the economic infrastructure of the nation like telecom, banks, and ports. They ensured the money was pumping thru for them. They opened up universities in Somalia so they can begin 'generating' a new generation of 'ISLAMIST' minded leaders. These people have formed parties now like 'al ictisam, al itihaad, they are numerous' but they all report to the 'ikhwaan' who is their OVERLORD. Anyways while they were building themselves in Somalia by taking over economic lifelines and education lifelines, they kept a low profile, but their all interlinked from Bosaso to Hamar to Hargeisa to Kismayo. They operate in all societies and have 'political arm' involved by using their ECONOMIC power in each region.

They have contacts and friends overseas in muslim brotherhood parties in many countries not just one and they learn from their 'political strategy' and they give this to their politicians in 'hisbiyada'. They also learn how to operate as a charity using the like of Islamist based charity organization and Turkey is a big 'educator' in this aspect. Turkey cannot be seen involved politically/militarily anywhere due to the NATO pact, so the IKHWAN clearly gave them a humanitarian role in the party idealogy so it doesn't raise any eyebrows.

You do not provide humanitarian aid to a country you don't see as a potential 'ally' or you share a 'common belief'. That's why they are STUCK in mogadishu constantly as this is the headquarter of the IKHWAN in Somalia ma garatay? PL hates Ikhwan after what happened in EGYPT with two presidents selected in the CAIRO conference for Hawiye. The Ikhwan used to influence Egyptian politics ensuring the leader at the time provided concessions to them, they would allow not to take power in EGYPT in return they support their 'foreign' policy. Why? they did this? well if you can't run your country, why not build up other countries with your IDEALOGY and come back later to take over egypt. This was Ikhwan policy towards egypt and why it was peaceful for a long time.

They are very snake based organization, becareful of Ikhwan. When I go to Bosaso wallahi I view them as USC becaause I read what happened in CAIRO conference when Ikhwan party ensured the dictator at the time supported the USC camp who they knew was the Headquarter of Ikhwan in Somalia, thru this they could use the Ikhwan links to ensure 'Somalia' follows them to the ultimate 'war path' which is against the western world.

The ikhwan end goal is a similar structure to commonwealth of britain who had so many nations under the commonwealth with one big caliph or king at the top. Each nation will be independent but share 'common' principles between them especially foreign policy wise, political culture, islamic doctrine, etc. Their end goal is to destroy the western world thru tactics that was exposed by the CIA like infilitration of the banking sector, education sector, lobby groups, to make 'conflict' between western countries using islamic 'resources' in their allied countries. Their a bunch of sick sons of es. Any politics that is based on destroying someone else is not a political outlook that is halal. Why don't you learn to COMPETE rather then DESTROY
Somalia is a muslim country therefore the shariah is the law of the land unfortunately for you somalia is not a secular country.
 

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