Iman (faith) in Allah is a precious gift

[Cilmi-doon]

Having debated with many people about Islam, I’ve come to these conclusions:

1) A human being can never be in a neutral position when talking about Allah

2) No one proof can convince all people of Allah’s existence

3) Morality doesn’t make sense in a godless universe

4) We lack a precise and clear understanding of Allah and his characteristics

5) Rational reflection of Allah is of little value, in the end it all boils down to a leap in faith

 

[DR OSMAN]

Having debated with many people about Islam, I’ve come to these conclusions:

1) A human being can never be in a neutral position when talking about Allah

Not sure about this. Agnostic is 'doubt' position or I don't know. Some swing towards I don't know but I incline towards a creator or I don't know and don't incline towards a creator.

2) No one proof can convince all people of Allah’s existence

Yes. Proof means evidence. For example, you exist because I have prove your communicating online, I don't need to 'believe' or have 'faith' you exist, based on proof of your text online, I know logically only a human being can perform this.

3) Morality doesn’t make sense in a godless universe

Morality is tough one, I prefer nihilism as @Al Kafi knows. @Omar del Sur is interested in Humanism or the ideal that says all humans have inalienable rights and freedoms irrespective of belief, origin, political view. I also am interested in morality being shaped by our environment and natural laws of the earth. My purpose in life is to 'live' right? no-one purpose in life is to die. So My morals will be defined by what supports my survival needs, my environmental location, my social group, and my will to survive will shape what morals I adapt. Not a personal god telling me what is good or bad, but my will to live will say 'adopt this moral' in this situation or adopt this moral in this other situation. For example my moral adapts based on survival, if you attack me, I am now in defence mode and aiming to MURDER U, if you don't, my moral changes to 'cooperate'. Why anything to 'survive' is my goal set by nature.

4) We lack a precise and clear understanding of Allah and his characteristics

Yes I agree with this, it' all best guesses, speculation, and 99% of the time we are all going to be wrong most likely.

5) Rational reflection of Allah is of little value, in the end it all boils down to a leap in faith

Totally disagree, when you study the world or universe it's ordered, there is laws, there is clear structures and sequences being followed, it's not chaotic at all, because chaos creates disorder and destruction. The world is clearly designed in my opinion. It's just to accurate in to many places to get life conditions right, it doesn't appear random whatsoever.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Now watch believers run in and tell me in all honesty, have you ever met one who has impressed you in comparison to Richard Dawkins? if their so right about god, why are they so intellectually inferior, why is allah not helping them to mentally defeat the kaffir? surely this needs answering and not deflecting like @Omar del Sur @Al Kafi do. They live in their own defined bubble and want you join their little bubble accepting it as a FACT. War get the f*ck out of your little bubble and step into real world and surrender yourselves to non personal god and nihilism and read some charles darwin for god sakes about biology and nature and your place in it.

They know disbeliever vs believer debate, the disbeliever is like this armed, knowledgeable, educated, as long the field and environment is equalized and the believer isn't getting perks, govt support, and human support.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This is all you are @Al Kafi @Omar del Sur when an atheist or nihilist meets you in your strong-hold in your nation and tv channels you just abuse or kick people off the TV fearing you will be seen to lose in front of the audience. That's when I realized believers today ma haystan runta, how can u when you are losing always. God is against u, so you must be disbeliever the true KAFFIR.

That's why I say equalize the environment, no perks for muslims, biases, govt or tv support. Just equalize it and watch the coward believer succumb like this.

@Lord of Warshiekh This is me on Universal TV if I came along with my belief set, I would be treated the same, they fear the audience hears the truth and they lose followers. They want to keep them in ignorance see what I mean.

This is the DR face at 3:02 mark as I face Kafi or Omar Del Sur on nationally syndicated somali tv show as they teach SOMALIS I am evil, satanic, bad influence on the youth, they will try to shame me just like that egyptian kid got shamed by his people.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Lord of Warshiekh I wish u the best as your the most rational and reasonable among them. Just walk away from radical and violent Islam, they have no truth, if they did, they wouldn't need to get violent or tell people to go psycharist and define them as mentally ill. All character assasination, all ad-hominem attacks, not following the rational, reason based approach to debating different view points on a topic.

 

[TekNiKo]

Indeed imaan is the most valuable gift and so very precious, I hope I will die upon it

I thank Allah everyday I didnt turn into an atheist like so many on this forum.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

@Lord of Warshiekh I wish u the best as your the most rational and reasonable among them. Just walk away from radical and violent Islam, they have no truth, if they did, they wouldn't need to get violent or tell people to go psycharist and define them as mentally ill. All character assasination, all ad-hominem attacks, not following the rational, reason based approach to debating different view points on a topic.

Radical islam and islam without logic is a modern creation.
You can worship allah and his prophet and still uphold many scientific views. Big bang theory actually isn’t forbidden to believe, evolution shouldn't be dismissed straight away. Some scholars have said that god may have created previous forms of human-like beings part of the homo-genus. The lack of education and care for it is what’s holding muslims back.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Radical islam and islam without logic is a modern creation.
You can worship allah and his prophet and still uphold many scientific views. Big bang theory actually isn’t forbidden to believe, evolution shouldn't be dismissed straight away. Some scholars have said that god may have created previous forms of human-like beings part of the homo-genus. The lack of education and care for it is what’s holding muslims back.

You know the famous saying 2 hands at work, beats 1000 hands at prayer. Nin labadisa gacmooda ceel qodanayo, waxay dhaanta, 1000 qof bananka uu soo baxo roob doon. Do you agree? Your taking charge of your survival and not waiting for someone to rescue you, look at how many livestock die in Somalia drought, because our sheikhs teach them to just pray and give up. They even teach them horrendous teachings like 'gaalo ba aduunka leh,akhiro muslim'.

He is setting up muslim child at early age thru too adulthood, he has no place to participate in this world and god gave it to 'disbelievers'. It's like they are creating an environment of 'dark age' to prosper and grow, to kill the willpower of our people to succeed and survive like other groups of human beings. This is one of the fundamental reasons I am against Islam. I am not against Islam as a religion per-sea, just those teaching it and in power and influencing our people through TV sermons are not people who should've even been allowed to attend religious university. We need some sort of grading system and only take the highest performers in high school into religious training, at least recruit from the smartest in your population.

If you look at the background of these sheikhs and what they achieved in life, it's zilch, zero, nada. There is no credential or evidence that can convince me this person is even speaking the truth, when he has no evidence in his life-time to show me his fruits. In the west, they only recruit the best students in high school for 'law and medicine' have you noticed that, you need high score or the top 5% of your class in tests.

The reason is they want the best people in these fields, they can't afford their legal institution or medical fields being manned by 'baboons' who can endanger people life in surgery or endanger our justice system. Why doesn't Islam have at least this basic method of recruitment for scholars, we want the top 5% of each high school or the creme la crop entering our religious field, so we are guaranteed we have people who are smart and intelligent and at least have the school test results to prove it. infact I prefer it taken further like Andalusia and Iraq/Syria civilizations did.

They must excel in secular fields and produce an invention or add some knowledge to their field and become an expert and then pursue religious studies. This can give us ummah confidence the scholar we are listening to is at least intelligent about the world we live in and is successful in it. I mean for god sakes this guy is a damn religious scholar. Wallahi check all the credentials academically, professionally of all our scholars, they are 'mediocre' or 'average' at best in secular world, they don't even understand the dunya, are u telling me he understand it's creator? please take baby steps my friend is what I tell them, understand the dunya and progress to understand the creator, do not jump class rooms.

Do not go from Finishing primary school and go straight to university, you need high school or secondary school. The scholars of today are basically doing this sxb. They are skipping professional world we live in and contributing and impressing us with their brilliance, they are literally going from secondary school straight to medina university or cairo university. They have no intention to create professional credentials as evidence of their brain power.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Lord of Warshiekh I am going to try to help my state begin the reformation process in Puntland. We will send a clear warning to Somalis, Puntland hasn't abadoned Islam as they will obviously try to twist it to shame the region but Puntland has decided that it's sources and teachings will be based on ancient islam when Islam was enlightened culture and not based on this modern dark age Islam that has been inherited from some of the most backward societies in the world.

If our government can make that brave decision, there is great hope for Puntland. But for any society to succeed a reformation of religion is mandatory, the western world had to do, China had to do it, anyone who wants to succeed in this world has to look at the religious values it's people are being taught and if their in-line with progress and development or if they are not.

We can begin setting up religious guidelines we demand from our scholars such as top 5% of high school students can only enter religious field training and everyone else 'banned'. We must demand they spend at least 20 years in professional field and succeed and produce for their society knowledge, services, products, or something academically that can be used as 'character' judgement of his intellect and personality. I don't care if they pursue religious studies then, at least his mind is cultivated and has 'cilm' and he can take on further 'cilm' at religious level and create a beautiful and progressive islam, while sade our enemy dies away in his b22n infested islam @TekNiKo. I mean he never changes b22nta and remember the world is about 'change' so when he goes against the fundamental natural law, you can see why manta marehan waa 'faro ku tiris' beel ahan and never grew, n ature ayaa tirtirayso dee as he is fundamentally going against the course of nature and change and refusing to update himself. He will eventually when he sees Puntland succeeding with it's Reformed Islam, he is always 'shy' to 'create' something he is those type of Somalis who has to wait for pioneer and leader to take the brave step for him. Like When Adal sultanates were created by DIR he came to ask for presidency and emir.

When SYL created Somalia, he came and did a COUP. He never LEADS THE UMMAH NOR DOES HE INVENT. It's the b22nimo dee, he even said 'I wont change' kulaha, waxay ku tusinaysa cilmi yarida uu ka gabo aduunka uu ku nool yahay. Wuxuna raba in talo loo dhiibo oo Somalida aduunka ku matheelo, you will be eaten alive by HIGH IQ WHITE PEOPLE waryaa, just sit down in ghetto and let the Majerten all stars do the leading and u perform your worshipping.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

You know the famous saying 2 hands at work, beats 1000 hands at prayer. Nin labadisa gacmooda ceel qodanayo, waxay dhaanta, 1000 qof bananka uu soo baxo roob doon. Do you agree? Your taking charge of your survival and not waiting for someone to rescue you, look at how many livestock die in Somalia drought, because our sheikhs teach them to just pray and give up. They even teach them horrendous teachings like 'gaalo ba aduunka leh,akhiro muslim'.

He is setting up muslim child at early age thru too adulthood, he has no place to participate in this world and god gave it to 'disbelievers'. It's like they are creating an environment of 'dark age' to prosper and grow, to kill the willpower of our people to succeed and survive like other groups of human beings. This is one of the fundamental reasons I am against Islam. I am not against Islam as a religion per-sea, just those teaching it and in power and influencing our people through TV sermons are not people who should've even been allowed to attend religious university. We need some sort of grading system and only take the highest performers in high school into religious training, at least recruit from the smartest in your population.

If you look at the background of these sheikhs and what they achieved in life, it's zilch, zero, nada. There is no credential or evidence that can convince me this person is even speaking the truth, when he has no evidence in his life-time to show me his fruits. In the west, they only recruit the best students in high school for 'law and medicine' have you noticed that, you need high score or the top 5% of your class in tests.

The reason is they want the best people in these fields, they can't afford their legal institution or medical fields being manned by 'baboons' who can endanger people life in surgery or endanger our justice system. Why doesn't Islam have at least this basic method of recruitment for scholars, we want the top 5% of each high school or the creme la crop entering our religious field, so we are guaranteed we have people who are smart and intelligent and at least have the school test results to prove it. infact I prefer it taken further like Andalusia and Iraq/Syria civilizations did.

They must excel in secular fields and produce an invention or add some knowledge to their field and become an expert and then pursue religious studies. This can give us ummah confidence the scholar we are listening to is at least intelligent about the world we live in and is successful in it. I mean for god sakes this guy is a damn religious scholar. Wallahi check all the credentials academically, professionally of all our scholars, they are 'mediocre' or 'average' at best in secular world, they don't even understand the dunya, are u telling me he understand it's creator? please take baby steps my friend is what I tell them, understand the dunya and progress to understand the creator, do not jump class rooms.

Do not go from Finishing primary school and go straight to university, you need high school or secondary school. The scholars of today are basically doing this sxb. They are skipping professional world we live in and contributing and impressing us with their brilliance, they are literally going from secondary school straight to medina university or cairo university. They have no intention to create professional credentials as evidence of their brain power.

Certainly

2:30

Pray to Allah, but don’t be lazy and expect him to do everything for you. Islam itself preaches for hardwork while at the same time thanking and praying to god.

Somalis are very lazy. They say that this life is useless and that they should only pray then die. They are being lazy for their children and achieve nothing, this is another reason why droughts are occurring, lazy s refusing to BE THE CHANGE THEY WANT TO BE.

Instead, they sit and scream for money without any long term improvements. Of course, they should be given charity, but they should be told to send their children to schools and stop giving birth to them if they cannot sustain them. Yes, they are poor, but they should at least abandon the nomadic culture, settle in a city, send kids to school with the charity they were given, and should make better individuals of themselves.

I agree, sheikhs never preach the importance of education and never speak about the current problems innocent children and mothers are going through. Instead, they resort to convincing them to give up and drag their children with them to death.

That is the consequence of having an IQ of 68

 

[Cilmi-doon]

@DR OSMAN
There is no such thing as being completely impartial or unbiased especially about God. Human thinking is always affected by irrational factors such as our prior experiences, emotions, upbringing, education, the ideas and attitudes of our friends and our historical situation.

 

[Omar del Sur]

evolution shouldn't be dismissed straight away.

I don't know about that.

Our creed is way more beautiful and profound than Darwinism. We definitely don't need Darwinism and I also think Darwinism is treated like a religion.

If you question Darwinism, the response tends to be something like

"wow you are retarded lol"

it is considered as off limits to simply question and really critically examine Darwinism....

I mean to me it's like the laws saying you can't question the official Holocaust narrative.... just that it's criminalized makes me question it.....

similar with Darwinism.... if you're a respectable scientist, you're not supposed to question it... and if the scientists do, I think they'll lose their job very likely.....

so that Darwinism is treated as unquestionable i the way it is makes me think the alleged evidence for me is not as solid as we are told

 

[Omar del Sur]

I mean this is my thing....:


"Discovery Institute found 100 Ph.D. scientists and published the list in The New York Review of Books. After a few years, “the pushback became really harsh; some of the people on the list lost funding, some were threatened with their jobs. We thought, ‘We don’t have to keep promoting this.’ People kept signing anyway.”

West insisted that the list “keeps growing on its own accord without our promotion.” In fact, West told PJ Media that Discovery Institute encouraged many professors not to sign, lest they lose their jobs"

https://evolutionnews.org/2019/02/w...ientists-not-to-sign-the-darwin-dissent-list/

if the evidence for evolution is so solid why the need to threaten scientists with losing their jobs if they question it?


it's like they're saying "yes, of course the scientists agree with us- or else".... it doesn't make me very confident in their claims..... if the science really backs them, then I don't think they should use threats and coercion against the scientists to make sure they reach the predetermined conclusion.... I don't think that's how science is supposed to work

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Omar del Sur well we need to define the academic system because it's not about opinions that turn to facts or else every website in the world would be considered a fact. Opinions are personal and not factual. It's the evidence you produce to support your opinion that turns it into fact. Darwinism is the best theory we have regarding biology and humanity place in the eco-system. He took his opinion and travelled to South America and came back with 'specimens' to prove 'adaptive' changes to traits in animals, he believed and surmized based on this evidence, humans must of also adapted from previous species. Till today this theory remains the strongest one we have and the people who oppose it or want to remove it are usually people who do not provide any counter evidence to support their opinion like Darwin did who followed the academic process.

A good way to look at this is like me. I have an issue with the @admin but I have looked past that issue because my biggest goal in life is to see Somali success so I can boast to the world, I got a wonderful country. I dropped my biases on the admin and realized there is no point in me destroying Somalispot, there is no real 'alternative' beyond Somnet and that's actually 'worse' off in comparison to the spot. Their both not perfect. It's like Somalia and Kenya. Somnet is Somalia and Spot is Kenya.

Why would I destroy Kenya even though it's a third world nation, it's not a forth world nation like Somalia. So I realized there is no incentive in destroying Somalispot, so I threw out my suggestions my mind-set into mentoring/coaching rather then competitive mindset as it's not suitable to compete with the admin as it will most likely end up in my ban. See I shifted my mind-set, morals in order to achieve my goal. I think humans are like that about 'morality' it's not 'fixed' to a book, it's highly dependent on your 'survival needs' and 'ambitions and goals' that determines your morality which is obviously governed thru 'natural law' not 'supernatural'.

So you can hate Darwin but your not really offering a better theory and hence we are not going to throw the whol system of academia and how opinions are converted to facts just to appease your little sky daddy beliefs. If you want to play in academics, follow the rules and guidelines, don't sit there and form some opposition group or flat earth society waryaa, you only make yourself look silly.

Ayan Hersi Husband name is Niall Ferguson. Read his damn 'credentials' in life. Read Somali sheikh credentials, polar opposites. ONE has an active brain, the Sheikh is dumb loser in life who is using religion to get power because he cant produce anything to impress humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson

I prefer my daughters marry into 'elites' not Ghetto superstars like the trashy Somali Women marry into. Why? the elites won't even want u near them, since your a somali brain remember? your supposed to be in the DAMN ZOO like your ancestors or under Keenadid. God forgive me I just went bipolar(I felt it just now wallahi a huge clan rage of energy) just spiralled inside me because I hate how failure hawiye and isaaq women are.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur well we need to define the academic system because it's not about opinions that turn to facts or else every website in the world would be considered a fact. Opinions are personal and not factual. It's the evidence you produce to support your opinion that turns it into fact. Darwinism is the best theory we have regarding biology and humanity place in the eco-system.

So that's why they need to threaten the scientists with losing their jobs if they question Darwinism?

I mean it's not very remarkable if a particular side wins a game that's pre-rigged in their favor in advance.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur well we need to define the academic system because it's not about opinions that turn to facts or else every website in the world would be considered a fact. Opinions are personal and not factual. It's the evidence you produce to support your opinion that turns it into fact. Darwinism is the best theory we have regarding biology and humanity place in the eco-system. He took his opinion and travelled to South America and came back with 'specimens' to prove 'adaptive' changes to traits in animals, he believed and surmized based on this evidence, humans must of also adapted from previous species. Till today this theory remains the strongest one we have and the people who oppose it or want to remove it are usually people who do not provide any counter evidence to support their opinion like Darwin did who followed the academic process.

A good way to look at this is like me. I have an issue with the @admin but I have looked past that issue because my biggest goal in life is to see Somali success so I can boast to the world, I got a wonderful country. I dropped my biases on the admin and realized there is no point in me destroying Somalispot, there is no real 'alternative' beyond Somnet and that's actually 'worse' off in comparison to the spot. Their both not perfect. It's like Somalia and Kenya. Somnet is Somalia and Spot is Kenya.

Why would I destroy Kenya even though it's a third world nation, it's not a forth world nation like Somalia. So I realized there is no incentive in destroying Somalispot, so I threw out my suggestions my mind-set into mentoring/coaching rather then competitive mindset as it's not suitable to compete with the admin as it will most likely end up in my ban. See I shifted my mind-set, morals in order to achieve my goal. I think humans are like that about 'morality' it's not 'fixed' to a book, it's highly dependent on your 'survival needs' and 'ambitions and goals' that determines your morality which is obviously governed thru 'natural law' not 'supernatural'.

So you can hate Darwin but your not really offering a better theory and hence we are not going to throw the whol system of academia and how opinions are converted to facts just to appease your little sky daddy beliefs. If you want to play in academics, follow the rules and guidelines, don't sit there and form some opposition group or flat earth society waryaa, you only make yourself look silly.

Ayan Hersi Husband name is Niall Ferguson. Read his damn 'credentials' in life. Read Somali sheikh credentials, polar opposites. ONE has an active brain, the Sheikh is dumb loser in life who is using religion to get power because he cant produce anything to impress humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson


I prefer my daughters marry into 'elites' not Ghetto superstars like the trashy Somali Women marry into. Why? the elites won't even want u near them, since your a somali brain remember? your supposed to be in the DAMN ZOO like your ancestors or under Keenadid. God forgive me I just went bipolar(I felt it just now wallahi a huge clan rage of energy) just spiralled inside me because I hate how failure hawiye and isaaq women are.

I didn't read all or probably most of your soliliquy but I saw something about me allegedly hating Darwin.... you say I "hate Darwin"....

is that how science works?

Scientist A: *presents their facts and arguments*

Scientist B: "Those facts are hate!"

I mean is that really the way to analyze an argument?

If we were to read Aristotle's work on logic, would Aristotle show us how to evaluate an argument based on whether the argument is "hate" or not?

if you put a line of code into a programming language.... the computer isn't trying to evaluate whether the code is hateful or not....

saying that a particular position is "hate" and attacking that argument thus.... I mean at what point in Aristotelian logic is that done?* where would the analogy be to that in computer coding?

such belongs to the realm of emotion and rhetoric... not to the realm of cold, dispassionate logical analyses of a given string of information

in fact, I want to carry it further....

it is a symptom of the feminization of society.... that things are made to be more emotional-centered rather than logic-centered in that way

trying to shut down the other side by declaring their ideas as "hate" does not belong to a properly masculine way of thinking and only has become as prevalent as it is currently as society has become softer and more effeminate


*to be fair someone could say that it would be possible to express such an "argument" in the form of a syllogism and that would be true.... it could be converted into a syllogism but such a method of analysis in itself would have been completely foreign to Aristotle's conception of logic

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

I don't know about that.

Our creed is way more beautiful and profound than Darwinism. We definitely don't need Darwinism and I also think Darwinism is treated like a religion.

If you question Darwinism, the response tends to be something like

"wow you are retarded lol"

it is considered as off limits to simply question and really critically examine Darwinism....

I mean to me it's like the laws saying you can't question the official Holocaust narrative.... just that it's criminalized makes me question it.....

similar with Darwinism.... if you're a respectable scientist, you're not supposed to question it... and if the scientists do, I think they'll lose their job very likely.....

so that Darwinism is treated as unquestionable i the way it is makes me think the alleged evidence for me is not as solid as we are told

Definitely. It should be revised to the upmost degree by muslim scientists with knowledge of both Adam’s creation and the Evolutionary theory. It is a possibility that previous forms of animals existed but could have no link to current species.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

@DR OSMAN
I’m waiting on your response

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Omar del Sur you just proved what @General Asad said when u said 'I didn't read all that' on my post. This is what General Asad said as humans progress to read and find they cannot refute the point you raised, they immediately 'block out' or 'distort'.

No one answers to blatant truth. We are psychologically wired to avoid or distort tbe truth fo fit our own biases and realities.

I didn't read all or probably most of your soliliquy but I saw something about me allegedly hating Darwin.... you say I "hate Darwin"

Bal eeg sidan 'evidence' ku 'adeegsanayo' and the way you respond is how flat-earth society responds. U don't want to follow the academic guidelines, u won't read 'darwin' completely because it doesn't suit your god damn 'sky daddy view' right? You want to skew the scientific method and academic guidelines to be 'islamic friendly' that's not science now, we will all end up 3rd world again like you are because you are trying to govern society thru supernatural, when there is nothing here that is supernatural, it's all natural and calculations.

So don't act like you are some science loving buff or else READ waryaa, drop the emotions for Islam, this is academics, there is no emotions, biases, agendas and if their are their is strict guidelines on how to deal with them in order not to pollute the scientific method and endeavours.

As for your issue against scientists, they use 'hard evidence' and 'experiments' to prove their theories. There are many other 'scientific methods' outside of 'hard evidence' approach. The 'logic approach' is one and 'aristotle' philosophy on how to present an 'argument' which is quite ancient but still relevant.

Their is ancient chinese/indian philosophers who also have contributed a-lot and even Islamic ones. Knowledge isn't about what u like or how you want things to be, it's rigourous guideline and method that has to be followed to develop something or reach a conclusion and solve a problem. Anyone is welcome in Academics of all faiths and races as long as you follow the 'system'. We are not going to change it all and go into some 'vacuum' again like the dark ages.

Let's define what is an opinion and fact because if we don't we could be going in circles. Aussies humourously say an 'opinion is like an arse, everyone got one'. In Somali this means 'feker waa sida futo qof walbo wa lee yahay'. Do u agree with this position? I prefer the an opinion is like a 'website' everyone has one. Do you agree just because you have an opinion it's not a fact or not? Don't skip this part and say yes I do agree or we are not following any scientific method to begin with.

So let's now define evidence what is an 'evidence' to support an opinion. U see where I am going it's strict model waryaa, you want to step outside of the model, and there is no other model that is provable and so testable to work in history. U r like USC who threw out Somali govt but never replaced it with another one. U want us to throw out the scientific method and replace it with nothing also. All universities will be obsolete and collapse, no more knowledge will exist, we will enter a dark age again as humanity and people talking about 'juudan and witches and jinnis' lol like you do as they remain poor and derelict and dysfunctional with supreme power given to religious authorities like you see in Somalia and their strong influence.

I will end this by saying Islam is like a website waryaa, it's just another website among millions of websites of the world. It's belief or opinion about god, there is other websites called christianity, hinduism, judaism, you are simply a fucking 'claim' like a website is a 'claim'. There is no hard evidence supporting your website to be the true website, remain in that situation and die and do not dare come to academia to give preference to one website over another as a fact lol when both have nothing supporting their god claim.

Am I an Atheist. No. Science isn't about Atheism. U can be any religion. I am Spiritualist Muslim, i Study only scholars who are inventors and scientists of their days as this gives me prove he has a brain to begin with. I am 'nihilist' as @Al Kafi is fully aware, I do not think this god interferes in the world and could care two shits about me cause all I am is energy and I return to dust. Now go take them apples waryaa and respond as a typical who hates 'cilm' with 'I didn't read all that' yeah you didn't read all that cause you want to remain in the fkn DARK AGES cause that's what they all say in the dark ages, 'i didnt read all that' yeah ur a baboon cause your brain isn't fed knowledge.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Cilmi-doon hadi aad qofka caynaysid at least wuxu yahay ba lagu caaya kkkk. I am nihilist moral position. I don't believe god cares about my salat, fasting, and haj. I don't think he cares if we worship or don't worship. I don't think he interveres at all. I don't think I have anything to offer him, it makes no sense to me he has this whole universe, what can I give him? it supports my nihilist view of how unimportant I am in the scheme of things. Science confirms my body has no use and is like other animals and we turn to dust. Nihilism which @Al Kafi hates but is fully aware is valid moral code and has lot's of evidence backing it. He is threatened by it and wants the state to support him so he gets 'ministry' position to keep our society locked into Islam and keep the Nihilists like me 'doomed' and 'shamed' they will even kill us. All reformers are attacked thru out history, even mohamed was. I am not suprised by the religious response as they are in the majority and my views in the minority. But it's always the minority who shape the future not the majority they keep and die to keep the status quo.

Dagaalku between Believers n Disbelievers is on and raging and right now it's disbelievers who have the upper hand as they demonstrate their own the world in knowledge and believers are poor and hungry and weak. But disbelievers I side with them even though I do believe in a god but not a god that I can appease or buy or trade or go to mosque for. I think my god wants us to do something for ourselves like parent wishes the best for their children, they don't want nothing from them except inay iyagu wax noqdan. I think if god is there, he will be similar. I can't imagine a grain among grains of his creation has any sort of bargaining chip or tool to appease him be it roob doon, 5 prayers, fasting and all those rituals.

Lakin I expect 'dagaal iyo qayli' and all the sheikhs to come on TV and call me murtad, kaffir, the same happened to all people who wanted to reform and change t heir societies to upgrade itself, alot were killed actually. It's to be expected the religious crowd want their little bubble existence unaltered but that's not the truth, that's just something u wish for ama wax adiga iska abuuratay kkkk